EV Digest 5987
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Best way to store AGM string?
by Steve Condie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) RE: Community Blogging and Forum site?
by "Michael Trefry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: EV safety
by "jerryd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: Community Blogging and Forum site?
by "Dmitri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) RE: Community Blogging and Forum site?
by "Don Cameron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: $25,000 Performance Car
by "Philippe Borges" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: Lithium-ion batteries & Valence Group buy
by Mike Sandman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: New Neon Kit, was New to the list
by canev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: Getting an AC motor inverter built
by "Philippe Borges" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: Community Blogging and Forum site?
by "Philippe Borges" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: Lithium-ion batteries & Valence Group buy
by GWMobile <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) RE: Community Blogging and Forum site?
by "Michael Trefry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) RE: Best way to store AGM string?
by Cor van de Water <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) RE: Community Blogging and Forum site?
by "Don Cameron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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I sold my Courier without batteries, so I'm taking the UB121100's out and will
need to store them for the estimated six months until the Tropica is ready to
roll. Here's my question: Would it be better to connect them in a 156V
string and apply a float voltage of 175 - 179 or so or to connect them all in
parallel and apply a float voltage of 13-5 - 13.8? And is it better to apply a
float for only a few hours a day, or is a steady float (or no float at all)
better?
Oh - and I'm gonna store them on my garage floor. ;-)
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There is no need to tear down the evdl, using evdl.org, we could integrate
it.
The Community System that I develop on supports mailing lists.
Basically a discussion is created either through an email or through a Forum
post on the site.
That discussion is then a new topic. Everyone who subscribes is sent an
email on the topic, to which they can reply, or view the thread online in
the forums.
People who prefer the mailing list can stay in this medium, others who
prefer a threaded web based interface can use that medium. ALL may
participate in the discussions.
Additionally, we could add blogs, photo galleries whatever else we wanted to
make participation more interactive, and the key point - informative -
archived and searchable.
The only thing that would change is the address of the mailing list. To
something like [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Just an idea. If you don't want to fragment the list, why not enhance it?
Mike Trefry
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of David Roden (Akron OH USA)
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 3:12 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Community Blogging and Forum site?
On 8 Oct 2006 at 13:19, Michael Trefry wrote:
> If I built a community site for blogging and discussions about EVs and EV
> conversion projects, would anyone be interested in using it?
This comes up every couple of months, just about like clockwork. Some
folks actually do it. And I'm sorry to say that most of their efforts
languish
and eventually disappear.
One of the more successful examples is the Voltage Forum :
http://www.visforvoltage.com/forums/index.php
You might try it. Perhaps it would suit your needs better than this list,
especially if you're keen on scooters. For road EVs it's not anywhere near
as comprehensive as this list, but if the limited information and
participation
available in that department meets your needs, you might find that the forum
organization works better for you.
On the other hand, here's an outstanding idea that just hasn't caught on as
well as many of us hoped :
http://www.evforge.net
EVforge was launched with a fair bit of discussion here, but it doesn't seem
to have really garnered much interest, which is really too bad. This is
more
typical of the success of the EVDL alternatives, I'm sorry to say.
It also demonstrates one of the pitfalls of these efforts. One of the sad
constants is the front-page apology that the sysop hasn't had time lately to
do much with them.
It's because these websites and forums are mostly carried out as a spare-
time activity, and most of us have lives, jobs, and families. Heck, most
would rather be out in the garage working on the EV than beating on the
keyboard. From what I've seen around the web, operating a successful forum
- even one which should be user supported - is pretty much a full time job,
and who's going to pay you for it?
Besides, there's a solid core of really smart and experienced EV builders on
this list, and so far they don't seem to see a need to move elsewhere. They
contribute a lot of good stuff. You couldn't buy better advice at any
price.
The plain vanilla mailing list may be an old-fashioned, inflexible medium,
but
like any other medium, what really counts is the content. And the content
here is pretty darn good.
May I make a suggestion?
This list is archived in many locations - at least half a dozen - but what's
missing from all of them is a really good search engine. For years I've
held
the domain name evdl.org, with plans to build a better archive and search
function on that homepage. But I'm like all those other forum operators - I
just don't have the time. At least I haven't abandoned the domain name.
Someday I'll have more time, and I'll really do it.
Why don't you beat me to the punch? Instead of trying to tear down the
EVDL, build onto it. Create that killer searchable archive for it, the one
that
fixes what you don't like about the EVDL.
I will ask you for only one thing, and that is a long-term commitment.
Please
don't build something that you're going to lose interest in 2 years or 5
years
from now, and abandon. The EVDL has been around for 15 years. Given the
history of EVs, I expect there will still be a need for it in another 15.
I'd love
to see you build on its success, but only if you promise us that you're in
it for
the long haul - and KEEP that promise.
David Roden
EV List Assistant Administrator
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Hi Rush and All,
----- Original Message Follows -----
From: "Rush" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: EV safety
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 09:39:33 -0700
>Jerry D wrote -
>
>> Take my soon to be done EV that weights 600 lbs
>> without batteries, over twice that with, yet the battery
>> pack only costs $800 and will get me between 100 and 150
>> mile range on a charge and 80mph+ top speed.
>
>Jerry,
>
>As soon as I get my S-10 going... I was thinking of taking
>one of the 84' Mitsu PU's that I have, stripping the body
>off, and putting a truly unique aero shell on it with all
>the EV components inside.
That's a great idea. It will be hard to beat it
being light, aero with great battery capacity. Especially
for you needing the longer ranges in AZ.
But on your S10, if you put on a true aero shell on
the back, your highway range would go up 20% or so. Later I
might sell them for both EV and ICE but 1 project at a time.
>
>But a question comes up about safety. What would happen to
>me in a crash. How have you dealt with that? What is a side
>impact or even rolling over at 60+ MPH going to do to your
>EV and its occupants?
I'm not sure about you but in mine I've designed it
to equal a compact sedan. It has good, big crush zones,
integral composite rollcage, high strength in the passenger
compartment, side beams with a 1' high door sill for better
side impacts, racing seats with 4 point seatbelts, safety
glass amoung many smaller details like if a car hits me from
the rear, it's designed to raise up and the other car slide
under instead of a direct hit. Totaled a compact car that
way when it hit the Ewoody in the rear at 25 mph and only
cost me $40 to get back on the road. Good design really
helps and why that wreck didn't kill me.
Braking and handling are excellent which can keep
you out of trouble as an accident you don't have is the
safest one. It's rather tall too, more than reg cars at 56"
high, so one can see and be seen, a very large safety
factor. It cost me some aero drag from more frontal area but
worth it I feel. Great for up to at least 6'6" tall people
too. maybr taller.
I build this mostly into the body when it's laid up
so for you, your best bet of a steel roll cage and good
seats, 4 point seatbelts.
>
>I don't mean to be negative, I was just wondering how you
>have dealt with the safety at high speeds problem?
No Problem, it's a legitiment question that needs
to be answered. I want safety too or I could have built it
in 1/2 it's weight, size. All that extra is just for safety.
Jerry Dycus
>
>Rush
>Tucson AZ
>www.ironandwood.org
>
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Exactly my thinking.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Trefry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 3:32 PM
Subject: RE: Community Blogging and Forum site?
There is no need to tear down the evdl, using evdl.org, we could integrate
it.
The Community System that I develop on supports mailing lists.
Basically a discussion is created either through an email or through a
Forum
post on the site.
That discussion is then a new topic. Everyone who subscribes is sent an
email on the topic, to which they can reply, or view the thread online in
the forums.
People who prefer the mailing list can stay in this medium, others who
prefer a threaded web based interface can use that medium. ALL may
participate in the discussions.
Additionally, we could add blogs, photo galleries whatever else we wanted
to
make participation more interactive, and the key point - informative -
archived and searchable.
The only thing that would change is the address of the mailing list. To
something like [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Just an idea. If you don't want to fragment the list, why not enhance it?
Mike Trefry
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of David Roden (Akron OH USA)
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 3:12 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Community Blogging and Forum site?
On 8 Oct 2006 at 13:19, Michael Trefry wrote:
If I built a community site for blogging and discussions about EVs and EV
conversion projects, would anyone be interested in using it?
This comes up every couple of months, just about like clockwork. Some
folks actually do it. And I'm sorry to say that most of their efforts
languish
and eventually disappear.
One of the more successful examples is the Voltage Forum :
http://www.visforvoltage.com/forums/index.php
You might try it. Perhaps it would suit your needs better than this list,
especially if you're keen on scooters. For road EVs it's not anywhere
near
as comprehensive as this list, but if the limited information and
participation
available in that department meets your needs, you might find that the
forum
organization works better for you.
On the other hand, here's an outstanding idea that just hasn't caught on
as
well as many of us hoped :
http://www.evforge.net
EVforge was launched with a fair bit of discussion here, but it doesn't
seem
to have really garnered much interest, which is really too bad. This is
more
typical of the success of the EVDL alternatives, I'm sorry to say.
It also demonstrates one of the pitfalls of these efforts. One of the sad
constants is the front-page apology that the sysop hasn't had time lately
to
do much with them.
It's because these websites and forums are mostly carried out as a spare-
time activity, and most of us have lives, jobs, and families. Heck, most
would rather be out in the garage working on the EV than beating on the
keyboard. From what I've seen around the web, operating a successful
forum
- even one which should be user supported - is pretty much a full time
job,
and who's going to pay you for it?
Besides, there's a solid core of really smart and experienced EV builders
on
this list, and so far they don't seem to see a need to move elsewhere.
They
contribute a lot of good stuff. You couldn't buy better advice at any
price.
The plain vanilla mailing list may be an old-fashioned, inflexible medium,
but
like any other medium, what really counts is the content. And the content
here is pretty darn good.
May I make a suggestion?
This list is archived in many locations - at least half a dozen - but
what's
missing from all of them is a really good search engine. For years I've
held
the domain name evdl.org, with plans to build a better archive and search
function on that homepage. But I'm like all those other forum operators -
I
just don't have the time. At least I haven't abandoned the domain name.
Someday I'll have more time, and I'll really do it.
Why don't you beat me to the punch? Instead of trying to tear down the
EVDL, build onto it. Create that killer searchable archive for it, the
one
that
fixes what you don't like about the EVDL.
I will ask you for only one thing, and that is a long-term commitment.
Please
don't build something that you're going to lose interest in 2 years or 5
years
from now, and abandon. The EVDL has been around for 15 years. Given the
history of EVs, I expect there will still be a need for it in another 15.
I'd love
to see you build on its success, but only if you promise us that you're in
it for
the long haul - and KEEP that promise.
David Roden
EV List Assistant Administrator
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I am all for this! Support the email list, but allow a web based threaded
interface as well.
Do you want to take the lead? Where can I help? Where can others help?
Don Cameron
Don Cameron, Victoria, BC, Canada
see the New Beetle EV project www.cameronsoftware.com/ev
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Michael Trefry
Sent: October 8, 2006 12:32 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Community Blogging and Forum site?
There is no need to tear down the evdl, using evdl.org, we could integrate
it.
The Community System that I develop on supports mailing lists.
Basically a discussion is created either through an email or through a Forum
post on the site.
That discussion is then a new topic. Everyone who subscribes is sent an
email on the topic, to which they can reply, or view the thread online in
the forums.
People who prefer the mailing list can stay in this medium, others who
prefer a threaded web based interface can use that medium. ALL may
participate in the discussions.
Additionally, we could add blogs, photo galleries whatever else we wanted to
make participation more interactive, and the key point - informative -
archived and searchable.
The only thing that would change is the address of the mailing list. To
something like [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Just an idea. If you don't want to fragment the list, why not enhance it?
Mike Trefry
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of David Roden (Akron OH USA)
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 3:12 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Community Blogging and Forum site?
On 8 Oct 2006 at 13:19, Michael Trefry wrote:
> If I built a community site for blogging and discussions about EVs and
> EV conversion projects, would anyone be interested in using it?
This comes up every couple of months, just about like clockwork. Some folks
actually do it. And I'm sorry to say that most of their efforts languish
and eventually disappear.
One of the more successful examples is the Voltage Forum :
http://www.visforvoltage.com/forums/index.php
You might try it. Perhaps it would suit your needs better than this list,
especially if you're keen on scooters. For road EVs it's not anywhere near
as comprehensive as this list, but if the limited information and
participation available in that department meets your needs, you might find
that the forum
organization works better for you.
On the other hand, here's an outstanding idea that just hasn't caught on as
well as many of us hoped :
http://www.evforge.net
EVforge was launched with a fair bit of discussion here, but it doesn't seem
to have really garnered much interest, which is really too bad. This is
more typical of the success of the EVDL alternatives, I'm sorry to say.
It also demonstrates one of the pitfalls of these efforts. One of the sad
constants is the front-page apology that the sysop hasn't had time lately to
do much with them.
It's because these websites and forums are mostly carried out as a spare-
time activity, and most of us have lives, jobs, and families. Heck, most
would rather be out in the garage working on the EV than beating on the
keyboard. From what I've seen around the web, operating a successful forum
- even one which should be user supported - is pretty much a full time job,
and who's going to pay you for it?
Besides, there's a solid core of really smart and experienced EV builders on
this list, and so far they don't seem to see a need to move elsewhere. They
contribute a lot of good stuff. You couldn't buy better advice at any
price.
The plain vanilla mailing list may be an old-fashioned, inflexible medium,
but like any other medium, what really counts is the content. And the
content here is pretty darn good.
May I make a suggestion?
This list is archived in many locations - at least half a dozen - but what's
missing from all of them is a really good search engine. For years I've
held the domain name evdl.org, with plans to build a better archive and
search function on that homepage. But I'm like all those other forum
operators - I
just don't have the time. At least I haven't abandoned the domain name.
Someday I'll have more time, and I'll really do it.
Why don't you beat me to the punch? Instead of trying to tear down the
EVDL, build onto it. Create that killer searchable archive for it, the one
that fixes what you don't like about the EVDL.
I will ask you for only one thing, and that is a long-term commitment.
Please
don't build something that you're going to lose interest in 2 years or 5
years from now, and abandon. The EVDL has been around for 15 years. Given
the history of EVs, I expect there will still be a need for it in another
15.
I'd love
to see you build on its success, but only if you promise us that you're in
it for the long haul - and KEEP that promise.
David Roden
EV List Assistant Administrator
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lead is more expensive these days...
cordialement,
Philippe
Et si le pot d'échappement sortait au centre du volant ?
quel carburant choisiriez-vous ?
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr
Forum de discussion sur les véhicules électriques
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr/Forum/index.php
----- Original Message -----
From: "John G. Lussmyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: $25,000 Performance Car
> At 06:41 AM 10/8/2006, Lee Hart wrote:
> > Oh, and price-wise, $160 is on the high side; $120-$140 is more
> > typical if you're buying enough for an EV.
>
> Not any more Lee. I did LOTS of shopping around, and the best price
> I found was about $156 ea in Qty 13.
> I ended up paying $160 ea at CostCo since that was 2 hours less
> driving time to get them.
>
> --
> John G. Lussmyer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Dragons soar and Tigers prowl while I dream.... http://www.CasaDelGato.com
>
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Short video in www.fevt.com/videos/IVO_burnout.MPG
lol...why do people demonstrate green energy vehicles by filling the air
with poisonous tire smoke! it takes very little power to line-lock and
smoke tires relative to accelerating the vehicle. this kind of display
just plays into the gas-guzzling, motor-head thinking that is destroying
our planet.
if you want to impress us, show a trip record of 100 miles back-up by
GPS data with side-by-side data logged from the controller and BMS.
then you will have my attention and my money :)
kind regards,
mike
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Just like in our Geo Metro kit we supply custom springs.
BFN
Randy
I can see the Neon being a success. (It's too bad they aren't made any
longer.) Still, when they dropped the price of the new 2005's below $10K,
the local economy is filled with them... and all look just like mine. <g>
What do you do with the suspension (especially front) on your rig? That's
pretty soft, even w/ the standard ICE. Weight loading should be a problem
otherwise. I have loaded 500 lbs in my car & can't even tell it's there.
----- Original Message -----
From: "canev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 9:56 AM
Subject: New Neon Kit, was New to the list
Hi Nathaniel, I'm 6'2 and find some conversions tight. We have developed a
new conversion kit for the Dodge Neon which gives a good 50-70 km range and
very nice performance.
It uses the Trojan T1275 (12 volt) golf cart battery (or anything else you
may want to use) so battery life should be good.
The Neon has enough head room for me and the car seats 5.
The other way to go if you need more range is the S-10 extended cab truck
with jump seats. The S-10 is our most popular kit, we are shipping about two
kits a month at the moment which is way up from our past 2 a year (for the
last 16 years)!!
BFN
Randy
Canadian Electric Vehicles Ltd.
Website: http://www.canev.com
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'm stucked with the idea than car makers goal and customer goal can't be
the same.
actually when i ask for KeepItSimpleSystem they put door computer, heater
computer, even car lights have a
computer now...and you can't
change a bulb without taking it to the mechanics to reset some error code...
So i use EV which have ten years, sometime our ICE car which have 8 years
and will keep it to
the max because i can service it as i service my EV.
cordialement,
Philippe
Et si le pot d'échappement sortait au centre du volant ?
quel carburant choisiriez-vous ?
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr
Forum de discussion sur les véhicules électriques
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr/Forum/index.php
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ryan Stotts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: Getting an AC motor inverter built
> Philippe wrote:
> > I suppose it may work but the question is do you agree to let car makers
> > take "our work" and making profits ?
>
> Sure. If they can make good use of it, all the better.
>
> > I would ask to have a
> > clause that clearly state than
> > this community work is freely usable by individual and EV only companies
!
> > for others (ICE car makers) they have to pay XX dollars to use it.
>
> That seems like it would hinder development and add needless complexity to
it.
>
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seems the perfect compromize solution :^)
cordialement,
Philippe
Et si le pot d'échappement sortait au centre du volant ?
quel carburant choisiriez-vous ?
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr
Forum de discussion sur les véhicules électriques
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr/Forum/index.php
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Trefry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 9:32 PM
Subject: RE: Community Blogging and Forum site?
> There is no need to tear down the evdl, using evdl.org, we could integrate
> it.
>
> The Community System that I develop on supports mailing lists.
>
> Basically a discussion is created either through an email or through a
Forum
> post on the site.
>
> That discussion is then a new topic. Everyone who subscribes is sent an
> email on the topic, to which they can reply, or view the thread online in
> the forums.
>
> People who prefer the mailing list can stay in this medium, others who
> prefer a threaded web based interface can use that medium. ALL may
> participate in the discussions.
>
> Additionally, we could add blogs, photo galleries whatever else we wanted
to
> make participation more interactive, and the key point - informative -
> archived and searchable.
>
> The only thing that would change is the address of the mailing list. To
> something like [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Just an idea. If you don't want to fragment the list, why not enhance it?
>
> Mike Trefry
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of David Roden (Akron OH USA)
> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 3:12 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Community Blogging and Forum site?
>
> On 8 Oct 2006 at 13:19, Michael Trefry wrote:
>
> > If I built a community site for blogging and discussions about EVs and
EV
> > conversion projects, would anyone be interested in using it?
>
> This comes up every couple of months, just about like clockwork. Some
> folks actually do it. And I'm sorry to say that most of their efforts
> languish
> and eventually disappear.
>
> One of the more successful examples is the Voltage Forum :
>
> http://www.visforvoltage.com/forums/index.php
>
> You might try it. Perhaps it would suit your needs better than this list,
> especially if you're keen on scooters. For road EVs it's not anywhere
near
> as comprehensive as this list, but if the limited information and
> participation
> available in that department meets your needs, you might find that the
forum
>
> organization works better for you.
>
> On the other hand, here's an outstanding idea that just hasn't caught on
as
> well as many of us hoped :
>
> http://www.evforge.net
>
> EVforge was launched with a fair bit of discussion here, but it doesn't
seem
>
> to have really garnered much interest, which is really too bad. This is
> more
> typical of the success of the EVDL alternatives, I'm sorry to say.
>
> It also demonstrates one of the pitfalls of these efforts. One of the sad
> constants is the front-page apology that the sysop hasn't had time lately
to
>
> do much with them.
>
> It's because these websites and forums are mostly carried out as a spare-
> time activity, and most of us have lives, jobs, and families. Heck, most
> would rather be out in the garage working on the EV than beating on the
> keyboard. From what I've seen around the web, operating a successful
forum
> - even one which should be user supported - is pretty much a full time
job,
> and who's going to pay you for it?
>
> Besides, there's a solid core of really smart and experienced EV builders
on
>
> this list, and so far they don't seem to see a need to move elsewhere.
They
>
> contribute a lot of good stuff. You couldn't buy better advice at any
> price.
>
> The plain vanilla mailing list may be an old-fashioned, inflexible medium,
> but
> like any other medium, what really counts is the content. And the content
> here is pretty darn good.
>
> May I make a suggestion?
>
> This list is archived in many locations - at least half a dozen - but
what's
>
> missing from all of them is a really good search engine. For years I've
> held
> the domain name evdl.org, with plans to build a better archive and search
> function on that homepage. But I'm like all those other forum operators -
I
>
> just don't have the time. At least I haven't abandoned the domain name.
> Someday I'll have more time, and I'll really do it.
>
> Why don't you beat me to the punch? Instead of trying to tear down the
> EVDL, build onto it. Create that killer searchable archive for it, the
one
> that
> fixes what you don't like about the EVDL.
>
> I will ask you for only one thing, and that is a long-term commitment.
> Please
> don't build something that you're going to lose interest in 2 years or 5
> years
> from now, and abandon. The EVDL has been around for 15 years. Given the
> history of EVs, I expect there will still be a need for it in another 15.
> I'd love
> to see you build on its success, but only if you promise us that you're in
> it for
> the long haul - and KEEP that promise.
>
> David Roden
> EV List Assistant Administrator
>
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I encourage to actual get the batteries you want from the start and not
listen to those who say start with what you don't want and upgrade
later.
One thing you can also remember is you can buy a 5500 watt gas generator
on wheels at pep boys for about $300. With a trailer hitch you would
have unlimited mileage in your electric for longer trips.
Get the batteries for better accelleration and performance.
Then ocnsieder and additional battery or generator trailer for 300 miles
range at more moderate performance for cruisng highways etc.
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I would gladly take the lead on this. I would gladly support this site. I
would happily host the site. (I get free hosting on a dedicated server
through a partnership with an ISP)
Anything to make information more readily available.
As a matter of fact, just thinking about this, we don't even need to change
the list address. As long as I can programmatically send emails to the list
on behalf of signed in users, the current list can stay the same. We'll just
have a new archived, interactive entry point to the list.
I was going to go with evblogs.org (even bought the domain name) but will
happily use evdl.org if that makes more sense, and if David is willing to
turn it over (or retain ownership, but point the name servers to my site.)
I'd love to have a central place for people to share information about their
EV's. Pictures speak a thousand words, so any member would be welcome to
create a blog and photo gallery.
Tell you what, let me see what I can build with no disruption to the list,
and we'll go from there. If I can successfully do that, maybe Dave and I can
talk about the domain name. If there's a need to disrupt the list we can
revisit that.
I'd just like to make sure that there is interest.
Thanks,
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Don Cameron
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 3:54 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Community Blogging and Forum site?
I am all for this! Support the email list, but allow a web based threaded
interface as well.
Do you want to take the lead? Where can I help? Where can others help?
Don Cameron
Don Cameron, Victoria, BC, Canada
see the New Beetle EV project www.cameronsoftware.com/ev
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Michael Trefry
Sent: October 8, 2006 12:32 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Community Blogging and Forum site?
There is no need to tear down the evdl, using evdl.org, we could integrate
it.
The Community System that I develop on supports mailing lists.
Basically a discussion is created either through an email or through a Forum
post on the site.
That discussion is then a new topic. Everyone who subscribes is sent an
email on the topic, to which they can reply, or view the thread online in
the forums.
People who prefer the mailing list can stay in this medium, others who
prefer a threaded web based interface can use that medium. ALL may
participate in the discussions.
Additionally, we could add blogs, photo galleries whatever else we wanted to
make participation more interactive, and the key point - informative -
archived and searchable.
The only thing that would change is the address of the mailing list. To
something like [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Just an idea. If you don't want to fragment the list, why not enhance it?
Mike Trefry
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of David Roden (Akron OH USA)
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 3:12 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Community Blogging and Forum site?
On 8 Oct 2006 at 13:19, Michael Trefry wrote:
> If I built a community site for blogging and discussions about EVs and
> EV conversion projects, would anyone be interested in using it?
This comes up every couple of months, just about like clockwork. Some folks
actually do it. And I'm sorry to say that most of their efforts languish
and eventually disappear.
One of the more successful examples is the Voltage Forum :
http://www.visforvoltage.com/forums/index.php
You might try it. Perhaps it would suit your needs better than this list,
especially if you're keen on scooters. For road EVs it's not anywhere near
as comprehensive as this list, but if the limited information and
participation available in that department meets your needs, you might find
that the forum
organization works better for you.
On the other hand, here's an outstanding idea that just hasn't caught on as
well as many of us hoped :
http://www.evforge.net
EVforge was launched with a fair bit of discussion here, but it doesn't seem
to have really garnered much interest, which is really too bad. This is
more typical of the success of the EVDL alternatives, I'm sorry to say.
It also demonstrates one of the pitfalls of these efforts. One of the sad
constants is the front-page apology that the sysop hasn't had time lately to
do much with them.
It's because these websites and forums are mostly carried out as a spare-
time activity, and most of us have lives, jobs, and families. Heck, most
would rather be out in the garage working on the EV than beating on the
keyboard. From what I've seen around the web, operating a successful forum
- even one which should be user supported - is pretty much a full time job,
and who's going to pay you for it?
Besides, there's a solid core of really smart and experienced EV builders on
this list, and so far they don't seem to see a need to move elsewhere. They
contribute a lot of good stuff. You couldn't buy better advice at any
price.
The plain vanilla mailing list may be an old-fashioned, inflexible medium,
but like any other medium, what really counts is the content. And the
content here is pretty darn good.
May I make a suggestion?
This list is archived in many locations - at least half a dozen - but what's
missing from all of them is a really good search engine. For years I've
held the domain name evdl.org, with plans to build a better archive and
search function on that homepage. But I'm like all those other forum
operators - I
just don't have the time. At least I haven't abandoned the domain name.
Someday I'll have more time, and I'll really do it.
Why don't you beat me to the punch? Instead of trying to tear down the
EVDL, build onto it. Create that killer searchable archive for it, the one
that fixes what you don't like about the EVDL.
I will ask you for only one thing, and that is a long-term commitment.
Please
don't build something that you're going to lose interest in 2 years or 5
years from now, and abandon. The EVDL has been around for 15 years. Given
the history of EVs, I expect there will still be a need for it in another
15.
I'd love
to see you build on its success, but only if you promise us that you're in
it for the long haul - and KEEP that promise.
David Roden
EV List Assistant Administrator
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Hi Steve,
When the AGMs are well charged and the environment is
cool (like in a non-heated garage in winter) then I do not
think you would need to do anything to them for months.
They will need to be "woken up" again once you put them
back into service, but remember that when they arrived
thay also had seen about 5 months since production date
without losing much of their charge.
If you really like to keep an eye on them, you may
measure their voltage every month or so, but I guess that
the well-known "battery tender" is mainly there to take
care of the phantom loads that a battery in a vehicle
sees and to guarantee that is stays 100% charged, which
is helpful in freezing climates as the battery can lose
a lot of capacity in the cold. As long as you have
nothing connected to the batteries and they are clean
(no leak paths from moisture/dirt) then the self-
discharge should be low enough to survive this time.
Personally I would check them every month and charge
when necessary to about 13.6V (dependent on temp).
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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Steve Condie
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 12:27 PM
To: EV List
Subject: Best way to store AGM string?
I sold my Courier without batteries, so I'm taking the UB121100's out and
will need to store them for the estimated six months until the Tropica is
ready to roll. Here's my question: Would it be better to connect them in
a 156V string and apply a float voltage of 175 - 179 or so or to connect
them all in parallel and apply a float voltage of 13-5 - 13.8? And is it
better to apply a float for only a few hours a day, or is a steady float (or
no float at all) better?
Oh - and I'm gonna store them on my garage floor. ;-)
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Hi Mike, maybe starting off simple:
- web based list organized by thread
- the current users are completely unaffected and do not need to re-register
or anything
- posting of pictures on the thread - but only a link emailed out to current
users (bandwidth is a problem for a number of members)
- under the name of evdl.org
- I suppose if one wants to use the web based mail, they can register on the
web using the same email address as they use of EVDL, this would require
Dave having that web based members are not emailed threads.
For future, we do have the evalbum and the ev trading post. These are
actively in use, and it would be nice to see this EVDL web integrate or
support those sites as well.
Don
Don Cameron, Victoria, BC, Canada
see the New Beetle EV project www.cameronsoftware.com/ev
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Michael Trefry
Sent: October 8, 2006 1:30 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Community Blogging and Forum site?
I would gladly take the lead on this. I would gladly support this site. I
would happily host the site. (I get free hosting on a dedicated server
through a partnership with an ISP)
Anything to make information more readily available.
As a matter of fact, just thinking about this, we don't even need to change
the list address. As long as I can programmatically send emails to the list
on behalf of signed in users, the current list can stay the same. We'll just
have a new archived, interactive entry point to the list.
I was going to go with evblogs.org (even bought the domain name) but will
happily use evdl.org if that makes more sense, and if David is willing to
turn it over (or retain ownership, but point the name servers to my site.)
I'd love to have a central place for people to share information about their
EV's. Pictures speak a thousand words, so any member would be welcome to
create a blog and photo gallery.
Tell you what, let me see what I can build with no disruption to the list,
and we'll go from there. If I can successfully do that, maybe Dave and I can
talk about the domain name. If there's a need to disrupt the list we can
revisit that.
I'd just like to make sure that there is interest.
Thanks,
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Don Cameron
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 3:54 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Community Blogging and Forum site?
I am all for this! Support the email list, but allow a web based threaded
interface as well.
Do you want to take the lead? Where can I help? Where can others help?
Don Cameron
Don Cameron, Victoria, BC, Canada
see the New Beetle EV project www.cameronsoftware.com/ev
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Michael Trefry
Sent: October 8, 2006 12:32 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Community Blogging and Forum site?
There is no need to tear down the evdl, using evdl.org, we could integrate
it.
The Community System that I develop on supports mailing lists.
Basically a discussion is created either through an email or through a Forum
post on the site.
That discussion is then a new topic. Everyone who subscribes is sent an
email on the topic, to which they can reply, or view the thread online in
the forums.
People who prefer the mailing list can stay in this medium, others who
prefer a threaded web based interface can use that medium. ALL may
participate in the discussions.
Additionally, we could add blogs, photo galleries whatever else we wanted to
make participation more interactive, and the key point - informative -
archived and searchable.
The only thing that would change is the address of the mailing list. To
something like [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Just an idea. If you don't want to fragment the list, why not enhance it?
Mike Trefry
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of David Roden (Akron OH USA)
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 3:12 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Community Blogging and Forum site?
On 8 Oct 2006 at 13:19, Michael Trefry wrote:
> If I built a community site for blogging and discussions about EVs and
> EV conversion projects, would anyone be interested in using it?
This comes up every couple of months, just about like clockwork. Some folks
actually do it. And I'm sorry to say that most of their efforts languish
and eventually disappear.
One of the more successful examples is the Voltage Forum :
http://www.visforvoltage.com/forums/index.php
You might try it. Perhaps it would suit your needs better than this list,
especially if you're keen on scooters. For road EVs it's not anywhere near
as comprehensive as this list, but if the limited information and
participation available in that department meets your needs, you might find
that the forum
organization works better for you.
On the other hand, here's an outstanding idea that just hasn't caught on as
well as many of us hoped :
http://www.evforge.net
EVforge was launched with a fair bit of discussion here, but it doesn't seem
to have really garnered much interest, which is really too bad. This is
more typical of the success of the EVDL alternatives, I'm sorry to say.
It also demonstrates one of the pitfalls of these efforts. One of the sad
constants is the front-page apology that the sysop hasn't had time lately to
do much with them.
It's because these websites and forums are mostly carried out as a spare-
time activity, and most of us have lives, jobs, and families. Heck, most
would rather be out in the garage working on the EV than beating on the
keyboard. From what I've seen around the web, operating a successful forum
- even one which should be user supported - is pretty much a full time job,
and who's going to pay you for it?
Besides, there's a solid core of really smart and experienced EV builders on
this list, and so far they don't seem to see a need to move elsewhere. They
contribute a lot of good stuff. You couldn't buy better advice at any
price.
The plain vanilla mailing list may be an old-fashioned, inflexible medium,
but like any other medium, what really counts is the content. And the
content here is pretty darn good.
May I make a suggestion?
This list is archived in many locations - at least half a dozen - but what's
missing from all of them is a really good search engine. For years I've
held the domain name evdl.org, with plans to build a better archive and
search function on that homepage. But I'm like all those other forum
operators - I
just don't have the time. At least I haven't abandoned the domain name.
Someday I'll have more time, and I'll really do it.
Why don't you beat me to the punch? Instead of trying to tear down the
EVDL, build onto it. Create that killer searchable archive for it, the one
that fixes what you don't like about the EVDL.
I will ask you for only one thing, and that is a long-term commitment.
Please
don't build something that you're going to lose interest in 2 years or 5
years from now, and abandon. The EVDL has been around for 15 years. Given
the history of EVs, I expect there will still be a need for it in another
15.
I'd love
to see you build on its success, but only if you promise us that you're in
it for the long haul - and KEEP that promise.
David Roden
EV List Assistant Administrator
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