EV Digest 6028
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: "Who Killed the Electric Car" IN FULL on the WEB ! ! !
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) RE: Gliders
by Cor van de Water <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: Solar cells
by Ralph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) RE: article: Mitsubishi unveils new electric car prototype
by Cor van de Water <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) WKtEC Bootleggers
by Steven Lough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: "Who Killed the Electric Car" IN FULL on the WEB ! ! !
by "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) RE:Current Eliminator News
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
8) Re: WKtEC Bootleggers
by "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) RE: article: Mitsubishi unveils new electric car prototype
by "David Roden (Akron OH USA)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: "Who Killed the Electric Car" IN FULL on the WEB ! ! !
by "David Roden (Akron OH USA)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: Floodies/Batt. murder mystery/Thanks to Roger & Roland
by "David Roden (Akron OH USA)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: Electrovair Corrections
by "David Roden (Akron OH USA)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: New Battery Technology Achieves 100 Miles with Hybrid Electric Vehicles
by "Rich Rudman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: A123 Group buy?
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: "Who Killed the Electric Car" IN FULL on the WEB ! ! !
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: WKtEC Bootleggers
by Dave Cover <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: Floodies/Batt. murder mystery/Thanks to Roger & Roland
by "Chuck Hursch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: New Battery Technology Achieves 100 Miles with Hybrid Electric Vehicles
by "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) RE: Floodies/Batt. murder mystery/Thanks to Roger & Roland
by "Myles Twete" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: WKtEC Bootleggers
by "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) RE: DVD-Who Killed the Electric Car?
by Cor van de Water <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: Honda CX 500 Possible Conversion
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: GE ev-1 controller
by Steve Powers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: GE ev-1 controller
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Re: Fuel gauge Peukert correction, was: lee's emeter companion?
by "Paul G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) Re: Good batteries exist now, and in use
by "Joseph H. Strubhar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Hi EVerybody;
I watched, and wept AGAIN!! It is there in good quality. But I just
BOUGHT my REAL copy from Amazon, I am willing to pay for the show. But I DID
forward it to my GM buddy who was let go from General Murders,EV Pogram, a
year short of his 30 year retirement. He was told to empty his desk and go.
He drives a Toyota, now.So watch this and, please, go out and BUY a DVD ,
support Chris Paine and the crew!
My two EV-1's(crushed) worth
Bob
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From: "Steven Lough" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Electric Vehicle
Discussion List RCVR" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 9:57 PM
Subject: "Who Killed the Electric Car" IN FULL on the WEB ! ! !
>
> Thanks to .... Truth911.com (and Google Video) The whole movie can now
> be seen in good quality) It seems to have been uploaded.
>
>
http://wagons.autoblog.com/2006/10/15/now-showing-on-autoblog-who-killed-the-electric-car/
> --
> Steven S. Lough, Pres.
> Seattle EV Association
> 6021 32nd Ave. N.E.
> Seattle, WA 98115-7230
> Day: 206 850-8535
> Eve: 206 524-1351
> e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> web: http://www.seattleeva.org
>
>
>
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FYI,
My US Electricar S10 has a complete VIN and it is titled
"USELE" with fuel "E" (Electric)
and insured as S-10 having a 4-banger, based on the VIN...
I am OK with that, as I insure my cars for the damage I
may cause to others.
If I crash my car into a tree, it's gone.
Since I always buy 2nd hand and cash, this really only
results in lower rates and a larger responsibility.
Cor van de Water
Systems Architect
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Skype: cor_van_de_water IM: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 12:44 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Gliders
I had a Solectria and I do not remember the factory VIN being changed.
There
are Solectria owners on the list they could check and see.
Buying gliders from the manufacturers has been done I don't see this as an
answer though. The current demand can be met with conversions of ICE with
less
risk. It is also a better use of an existing resource.
The larger problem is getting the pricing down on the major parts to lower
prices so more people change over. Even if the range is not what they want
if
the price is right more will buy. The general population still has a problem
with anything under 300 miles. A 50 or 100 mile range which sounds great to
most EV drivers might be the range that would increase general public
acceptance. This would support the increase in production of EV parts and
reduce
prices.
Don
In a message dated 10/15/2006 12:19:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Sharon G Alexander wrote:
> The reason no manufacturer will make "gliders" is that it wouldnt have a
complete VIN number,,,,, with out a VIN number it cant be titled or taged
>
>
VIN numbers are not going to be the issue. Two ways it could be handled:
Glider ships with no VIN, and converter takes full responsibility for
crash testing completed vehicle.
Or it can be done as it is done for RVs or Roland's experience. The
vehicle is assigned two VINs, or it keeps the chassis VIN. Yes, the
Chassis VIN will have some fields for engine data that will not be
correct, but that is only a minor issue. The important issue for
titling is that the VIN indicate the gross weight (by identifying the
model) and that the VIN is unique. Insurers like to use the additional
data enclosed in the VIN like engine size for adjusting the rates, but
they will just have to deal.
Interestingly, the practice of using some numbers of the VIN to
indicated place of manufacture, engine size and trim have caused
manufacturers to use up VINs faster than the SAE originally planned.
There is talk that the American manufacturers will run out of VINs
within the next 5-10 model years. Currently the SAE is steal VIN
prefixes originally planned for manufacturers in other countries and
reassigning them to the American manufacturers. Even this will only
delay the issue, there is also talk of adding additional characters to
the VINs (bad, since lots of computers systems have the length
hardcoded) or recycling VINs assigned to very old vehicles.
Mark
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Fine for the accessory battery though. No DC-DC inverter...
-Ralph
On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:43:50 -0500
Danny Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Company unveils new solar cells with 22% efficiency, about 50% more than
> conventional. Sweet!
>
> http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/061016/sfm089.html?.v=66
>
> Still, that's only a bit under 18 W per sq foot, so it's not going to
> recharge an EV very effectively from solar cells mounted on the roof,
> hood, and trunk unless you have a remarkably low power consumption.
>
> Danny
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More info on the i MiEV that will be shown next week in
Japan, notice the motor position!
http://media.mitsubishi-motors.com/pressrelease/e/corporate/detail1533.html
Cor van de Water
Systems Architect
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Private: http://www.cvandewater.com
Skype: cor_van_de_water IM: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tel: +1 408 542 5225 VoIP: +31 20 3987567 FWD# 25925
Fax: +1 408 731 3675 eFAX: +31-87-784-1130
Proxim Wireless Networks eFAX: +1-610-423-5743
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Paul Wujek
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 6:27 PM
To: EV List
Subject: article: Mitsubishi unveils new electric car prototype
Japan only for now, but we can hope:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15224875/
--
Paul Wujek ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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I guess POSTING this is not all that BAD an idea, for now Chris Paine,
and SONY can go out after these 'bootleggers'..
Chris wrote me this morning:
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Steven - Yes by all means this is illegal and very bad for the
filmmakers (us) in terms of recouping our investment. And no recoup,
means less chance of films like this in the future from me or anyone
else given cost of producing a first rate product.
Everything hinges on DVD success (released next month) as theatrical
release barely bases for cost of the prints and advertising. So if
you know who posted it, urge them to take it down (and for everyone to
order a DVD like you have.) THere is a big legal situation in the wings
as well I am afraid given 'damages' but hopefully this will resolve
itself before harm is irreparable. And yes we have contacted Google too.
Thanks
CHRis Paine
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But Chris, ( and others if your reading...) Here are some OTHER sites
which folks on the EVDL have Found the Pirate Movie...
"While cool that we can see it, it appears to be an illegal"
"I must admit i find it on emule few weeks ago BUT here (in France) no
way to just go out and buy it...(Yet) "
"I found it on Bittorrent as well."
AND the GOOD NEWS IS: as of Tuesday Afternoon Pacific Time......
" Truth911.net see the text at Google video, currently #23 in
the top 100, but the "Video is currently not available"
while last night it showed fine...
Looks like Sony or Chris already took action... "
FAST WORK ! Good....
--
Steven S. Lough, Pres.
Seattle EV Association
6021 32nd Ave. N.E.
Seattle, WA 98115-7230
Day: 206 850-8535
Eve: 206 524-1351
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
web: http://www.seattleeva.org
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Phillip, it is due out in less than a month and if you can not find it in
France you can order the DVD from Amazon.com. I believe they will ship
anywhere in the world. It is available for pre-order for $18.99 right now
here at Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Who-Killed-Electric-Martin-Sheen/dp/B000I5Y8FU/sr=1-1/qid=1161022383/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-3392679-8298538?ie=UTF8&s=dvd
Roderick Wilde
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From: "Philippe Borges" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: "Who Killed the Electric Car" IN FULL on the WEB ! ! !
I must admit i find it on emule few weeks ago BUT here no way to just go out
and buy it... i'm other the pond.
This said it's for my eyes only and i will purchase it (advertise it to
friends also) as soon as it's available here !
this is the most important: supporting Chris great work with massive
purchase of this superbe film !
cordialement,
Philippe
Et si le pot d'échappement sortait au centre du volant ?
quel carburant choisiriez-vous ?
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr
Forum de discussion sur les véhicules électriques
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr/Forum/index.php
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From: "Bruce Weisenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: "Who Killed the Electric Car" IN FULL on the WEB ! ! !
While cool that we can see it, it appears to be an illegal up load. Same
sort of thing the music industry has been fighting. It was not released by
Sony or Chris Paine. Truth911.com is not a valid URL. I don't know about
anyone else but I still plan on purchasing this from a Legal outlet to have
a copy for my self. In fact I have already pre-ordered it from Amazon. Not
purchasing a legal copy prevents future investment in similar venue. If we
the EV enthuist want to get the real message across, we can not support
illegal copies of copywrited material that was not freely broadcast by the
producers. It would be like taking Otmars Zilla apart and copying it and
selling it for $500.00 less. Or Rich Rudman PFC. Rich and Otmar support the
list by making EV products. If say Toyota grabbed up Rich's PFC charge to
build plug in Hybrid for example but paid Rich nothing for the design. How
would we feel as a community. So lets not download unless you plan on buying
it yourself anyway.
Soapbox off
Steven Lough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Thanks to .... Truth911.com (and Google Video) The whole movie can now
be seen in good quality) It seems to have been uploaded.
http://wagons.autoblog.com/2006/10/15/now-showing-on-autoblog-who-killed-the-electric-car/
--
Steven S. Lough, Pres.
Seattle EV Association
6021 32nd Ave. N.E.
Seattle, WA 98115-7230
Day: 206 850-8535
Eve: 206 524-1351
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
web: http://www.seattleeva.org
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After a great season of racing the ice super pro drag cars at speedworld in
Arizona to a 2nd place finish, the CE raced in the race of champions in
Bakersfield,Ca to a 1st round lost.It was a close race against a dialed 7.67
1200hp
dragster from arizona.This was a car I have won against in the past and the
driver and car were well prepared for me this time.He had a .005 reaction time
to
my .025.We both broke out but I by .002 more.Mike Z who is the super pro
champ at speedworld this year also broke out in the 1st round by.004.When you
get
to this level of racing you and your car must be right on target and have a
little luck.The hi roller gambler last thurs.eve started out great for the CE
we
won that 1st round with a .001 reaction time and close to the dial but the
next rounds were rained out.That round win and speedworld $ paid for most of my
trip.I will try harder next year! NHRAs National Dragster took a good
interview with great pictures that will be in an upcoming issue.We are the 1st
ever
electric car to qualify for the NHRA race of champions.
I wish to thank Mark,Fran,Eric,Ken and Wanna for
coming all the miles they did to support me. Dennis Berube
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I hope they recoup their money from the sales of DVDs. I know that most
EVers will purchase them. My hope is that at some point this movie will be
put up legally so that those who live in countries that will never show it
will have a chance to see it. I think that would help increase DVD sales to
other countries. It's just my opinion of course. I have not funded a study
to prove it :-)
Roderick Wilde
PS: Reading the comments on that site was very entertaining and
enlightening. Ignorance has a way of showing itself in various manners of
name calling and the labeling of anyone with a different point of view.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Lough" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Electric Vehicle Discussion List RCVR"
<[email protected]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 1:55 PM
Subject: WKtEC Bootleggers
I guess POSTING this is not all that BAD an idea, for now Chris Paine, and
SONY can go out after these 'bootleggers'..
Chris wrote me this morning:
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Steven - Yes by all means this is illegal and very bad for the filmmakers
(us) in terms of recouping our investment. And no recoup, means less
chance of films like this in the future from me or anyone else given cost
of producing a first rate product.
Everything hinges on DVD success (released next month) as theatrical
release barely bases for cost of the prints and advertising. So if you
know who posted it, urge them to take it down (and for everyone to order
a DVD like you have.) THere is a big legal situation in the wings as well
I am afraid given 'damages' but hopefully this will resolve itself before
harm is irreparable. And yes we have contacted Google too.
Thanks
CHRis Paine
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
But Chris, ( and others if your reading...) Here are some OTHER sites
which folks on the EVDL have Found the Pirate Movie...
"While cool that we can see it, it appears to be an illegal"
"I must admit i find it on emule few weeks ago BUT here (in France) no way
to just go out and buy it...(Yet) "
"I found it on Bittorrent as well."
AND the GOOD NEWS IS: as of Tuesday Afternoon Pacific Time......
" Truth911.net see the text at Google video, currently #23 in
the top 100, but the "Video is currently not available"
while last night it showed fine...
Looks like Sony or Chris already took action... "
FAST WORK ! Good....
--
Steven S. Lough, Pres.
Seattle EV Association
6021 32nd Ave. N.E.
Seattle, WA 98115-7230
Day: 206 850-8535
Eve: 206 524-1351
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
web: http://www.seattleeva.org
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On 16 Oct 2006 at 13:30, Cor van de Water wrote:
> notice the motor position!
I also notice that it's really a conversion.
Reminds me of one of the Fiat EVs from a few years ago. It was based on a
front-drive ICE platform (Seicento, IIRC) but underwent a "metamorphosis" to
a rear-drive car in the conversion process. At one time it was actually
offered
for sale, or so their website said.
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On 16 Oct 2006 at 10:56, David Dymaxion wrote:
> So are the crushed electric cars what made it PG?
According to the listing at Video Universe, the rating is for "brief mild
language," which strikes me as an odd reason to assign a PG rating. Heck,
I use mild language almost all the time, in fact I'm generally pretty mild-
mannered, and nobody's yet rated >me< PG. At least not to my knowledge.
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On 16 Oct 2006 at 12:37, Lee Hart wrote:
> > Anyways, all this talk of adding acid and taking s.g. measurements
> > makes me glad I have an SLA pack!
>
> Or sometimes not so glad, because when things go wrong with AGMs, you
> can't fix them.
Generally, I'm with Lee. And generally, John W. is with Grant. But I hope
Lee doesn't surrender. (Never mind. ;-)
I admit that the lack of acid mist is a big advantage of valve regulated
recombinant batteries - no cleaning! But I really like being able to suck up
some electrolyte in my hydrometer and say "yep, it's charged." You may be
able to add water to overcharged VRRs with a hack, but you'll never be able
to use the single most accurate method of determining state of charge.
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On 16 Oct 2006 at 13:37, Lee Hart wrote:
> Some of the old SCR controllers made the off-time so long that the
> frequency was very low in the audio range.
I suspect that if one of the major automakers ever really builds a
"performance oriented" EV, it will have something like the (equally
preposterous) Star Trek "whoosh" programmed into its drive system. There
are some people who just aren't happy unless they're making noise. ;-)
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Yea you tell 'Em Rod!
You want to see 100 mile range in a PHEV?
OK I am talking about 100 miles without the Gas engine firing up. Single
charge cycle, No tricks, just drive until the Valence cry unkle.
Well Rod.. come down and drive one of the PHEVs that I am working on.
We have Valence, we have running PHEV kits...
Clearly one will get stuffed into the another, and then we will go for a
Ride.
This is a Good thing Rod, Fellow Suck amps team Guy... simply, I charge the
Phev, Then you get to discharge it... for many hours of 34 mile per hour
driving.
This gets you out of my shop and out of the way, for many miles....Just
what we need, you doing something usefull... out of my shop...
And the batteries are off the shelf now. This is not earth shattering stuff.
And to give you all a fair shake... 100 Miles per charge may NOT happen..
but the trick is to see how close we can get.
I dunno, Rod, just has not ever been able to drive a EV without using full
throttle... I just don't think you are capable of driving without tire smoke
and broken parts.
But... come by watch and see for yourself.
lets show the Blue smoke and mirrors Guys what we can do!
Madman
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: New Battery Technology Achieves 100 Miles with Hybrid Electric
Vehicles
What kind of con man writes this crap?
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Mike Phillips wrote:
That could be true, but since a BMS is not in vogue yet, I would just
build them myself. Or like many prefer, send them the kit. Although my
kits tend to be surface mount, but don't have to be if there is enough
initial volume.
Do you use aassembly houses yourself Victor?
Not for one off, may be two prototypes. I also have SMT pick
an place machine in my lab. But it gets tedious to assemble
tens or hundreds of the same things, be it SMT or thru hole.
A BMS s I see it will unlikely ever offered as a kit, especially
SMT based one.
When the volume picks up, I'll definitely use assembly house,
it frees me to do my primary job even if cost extra I could
have done myself saving that money. After first assembly run
you may realize it just not worth it.
Mike
Victor
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It simply should not have been made downloadable, but the more people
just watch it, the more effect it makes. If loosing revenue would be the
primary concern, they easily could have it encrypted or playable only
online with their player so download would make no sense. But I agree,
best judge is your integrity and support for what's right thing to do.
If people keep stealing this movie, Chris Paine (or someone else) will
get discouraged enough to produce another one, so who wins at the end?
Victor
Bruce Weisenberger wrote:
While cool that we can see it, it appears to be an illegal up load.
...
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Here's an idea. How about buying two copies and giving one to your local
library? I borrow movies
from the library on a regular basis, and I bet a lot of other folks do too.
This would give the
movie more visibilty and a larger audience.
Dave Cover
--- Roderick Wilde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I hope they recoup their money from the sales of DVDs. I know that most
> EVers will purchase them. My hope is that at some point this movie will be
> put up legally so that those who live in countries that will never show it
> will have a chance to see it. I think that would help increase DVD sales to
> other countries. It's just my opinion of course. I have not funded a study
> to prove it :-)
>
> Roderick Wilde
>
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Lee Hart wrote Monday, October 16, 2006 10:37 AM:
> Death to All Spammers wrote:
> > Anyways, all this talk of adding acid and taking s.g.
measurements
> > makes me glad I have an SLA pack!
>
> Or sometimes not so glad, because when things go wrong with
AGMs, you
> can't fix them.
>
> If you overcharge floodeds, you can replace the lost water and
they keep
> on working. If you overcharge AGMs, you've ruined them (unless
you're
> ambitious enough to hack your way in and add water anyway).
And AGMs are expensive. Screw up your AGM pack, and it's a much
harder hit. When I was looking at setting up an AGM pack (2 144V
strings of Optima YTs in parallel), it would've cost me $3000 for
just the batteries, not to mention new racks, charger(s), and
DC-DC converter, so maybe $5000 or more for the upgrade. I bet
at least another $1K for miscellania. And I get to replace a
pack every three years, although I know some people go far
longer, but they don't screw up their packs like us beginners.
If I'm spending about 10cents/mile for floodeds, give or take a
few pennies, AGMs are going to be about three times that much.
I'm not going to do that just to make my right foot happy.
Chuck
> --
> Ring the bells that still can ring
> Forget the perfect offering
> There is a crack in everything
> That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen
PS: This has turned into one of my favorites, if only I can
follow it. Thanks, Lee!
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You are right Rich that I would get very bored driving 34 mph for three
hours. It would drive me insane :-) It is much better if you do your own
field testing. You may even be closer to that state of mind than I. ;-) Keep
up the great work on PHEV!
Roderick Wilde
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rich Rudman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: New Battery Technology Achieves 100 Miles with Hybrid Electric
Vehicles
Yea you tell 'Em Rod!
You want to see 100 mile range in a PHEV?
OK I am talking about 100 miles without the Gas engine firing up. Single
charge cycle, No tricks, just drive until the Valence cry unkle.
Well Rod.. come down and drive one of the PHEVs that I am working on.
We have Valence, we have running PHEV kits...
Clearly one will get stuffed into the another, and then we will go for a
Ride.
This is a Good thing Rod, Fellow Suck amps team Guy... simply, I charge
the
Phev, Then you get to discharge it... for many hours of 34 mile per hour
driving.
This gets you out of my shop and out of the way, for many miles....Just
what we need, you doing something usefull... out of my shop...
And the batteries are off the shelf now. This is not earth shattering
stuff.
And to give you all a fair shake... 100 Miles per charge may NOT happen..
but the trick is to see how close we can get.
I dunno, Rod, just has not ever been able to drive a EV without using full
throttle... I just don't think you are capable of driving without tire
smoke
and broken parts.
But... come by watch and see for yourself.
lets show the Blue smoke and mirrors Guys what we can do!
Madman
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From: "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: New Battery Technology Achieves 100 Miles with Hybrid
Electric
Vehicles
What kind of con man writes this crap?
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> You may be able to add water to overcharged VRRs with a hack, but you'll
> never be able to use the single most accurate method of determining state
of charge.
Hawker Genesis AGMs don't require a hack...just snap the top off and water
the 6 cells with a syringe...very easy. It would be nice to be able to
check the charge state though.
One thing I wondered this past week (as I rewatered the 70ah Hawkers in the
1921 Milburn) is the extent to which the water self-wicks to all the areas
in the cell, or if there's value in rewatering, then flipping the battery
over to allow the water to distribute itself to areas of the cell that it
doesn't when oriented in its usual way. When I've woken up gel cells, I
noticed that under wakeup charge, the upper portion of the battery cells
gets warm/hot first, so, I flipped the battery over (since heat rises) and
found that it seemed to help spread the heat of reaction up into the
sulfated sections and get the battery to mix things up better.
Similarly, it seems that in rewatering, rotating the battery might help
better distribute the new water if some sulfation has been has occurred in
spots.
-Myles
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Thanks for posting this great recommendation. I routinely buy movies on
subjects such as sustainability, transportation and peak oil and donate them
to our local library through my organization, Environmental Transportation
Options.
Roderick Wilde, Director
Environmental Transportation Options
www.etoptions.org
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From: "Dave Cover" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: WKtEC Bootleggers
Here's an idea. How about buying two copies and giving one to your local
library? I borrow movies
from the library on a regular basis, and I bet a lot of other folks do
too. This would give the
movie more visibilty and a larger audience.
Dave Cover
--- Roderick Wilde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I hope they recoup their money from the sales of DVDs. I know that most
EVers will purchase them. My hope is that at some point this movie will
be
put up legally so that those who live in countries that will never show
it
will have a chance to see it. I think that would help increase DVD sales
to
other countries. It's just my opinion of course. I have not funded a
study
to prove it :-)
Roderick Wilde
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Hi Chelsea,
I just checked the Plug In America website
but did not find the DVD in the webstore yet.
Any idea of a date it will be offered?
Cor van de Water
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Chelsea Sexton
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 7:06 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: DVD-Who Killed the Electric Car?
Hey all,
It does indeed look like Plug In America will be offering the upcoming "Who
Killed the Electric Car?" DVD!!! We are currently putting together pricing
information, a variety of packages (which will likely include as an option
Sherry Boschert's upcoming and greatly anticipated book, "Plug In Hybrids,
the Cars That Will Recharge America"), etc. Information will be on our
website soon, but I wanted to give all of you a heads up in case you are so
inclined to place orders with PIA instead of other retailers.
Many people have expressed interest in bulk orders. If you are interested,
please send me an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or reply privately to me
and let me know roughly how many you want so we can get an idea of total
quantity we need and get a bulk price for you.
Thank you!
chelsea
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The nice thing about the EMW is though it is shaft drive it retains the
transmission. The Honda will not. Taking off at 3.4 to one with the large
diameter wheel that the Honda has will be tough. I'm working on mine right
now. Others have done it including John Wayland.. I hope he comments on
this thread. I'm not sure what ratio the CX 500 uses. But it might be nice
to emulate with batteries the Moto Guzzi like cylinder features on that
bike. Lawrence Rhodes.......
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: Honda CX 500 Possible Conversion
> First point: converting a motorcycle as your first project is a good
choice
> from a simplicity perspective (e.g. no heat, power steering/brakes and air
> conditioning issues to deal with). In addition most EV motorcycles are
direct
> drive so the transmission and clutch/adapter issues are not an issue.
>
> Second point: most EV motorcycles use a chain final drive because it is
> cheap, fairly efficient and the front sprockets for electric motors are
widely
> available from the industrial market.
>
> Third: Less obvious perhaps is that an EV motorcycle lacks a great deal of
> space for batteries. Mounting the electric motor on the swing arm (aka
Etek
> type) or transversely in the back of the engine cradle leaves a good
amount of
> room for the batteries. Your shaft drive project is doable, but may
intrude on
> the space for batteries.
>
> Look at the EVAlbum under search -->type--> motorcycles to see more. See
Rev
> Gadget's BMW (Google him up) which uses shaft drive to see some of the
> issues that you may need to deal with (lot's of good pictures on his
site). And be
> sure to check out the _www.electricmotorcycles.net_
> (http://www.electricmotorcycles.net) for EV motorcycle conversion info.
>
> Good luck with your project and keep those questions coming!
>
>
> Mike Bachand
> Denver Electric Vehicle Council (DEVC)
> 1994 Kawasaki Ninja EV
> _http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/type/MTCY_
> (http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/type/MTCY)
>
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It depends which one you have.
EV-1C is pretty much equivilent to a Curtis 400 A. It is a little harder on
the batteries though because of the frequency.
EV-1B is not as powerful. I don't know how much it can put out in terms of
Amps in chopper mode. They typically are used with a contactor bypass, even in
forklifts. Also, they typically only go up to 84 V. At least that card is
readily available from fork lifts. The EV-1B is OK for use even at 84V, but
you will need the 1A contactor bypass if you want any kind of acceleration.
In my 70 Saab, I have the EV-1 at 36 V (later 48 V) with bypass and it worked
OK, even at only 36V it acelerated OK, but it pulled maybe 600 A. As much as
the batteries could handle. I've heard of others using bypass at 72 and 84 V
with good results. In my opinion, that is the best feature of the controller,
so if you are going to use an EV-1, use the bypass to accelerate. I'd say OK
at 72, maybe on 84, not sure what a contactor at 96 will do. You don't want to
accelerate too fast in everyday traffic ...
Steve
Bill & Nancy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
How many amps does the GE ev-1 deliver to the motor on a 96 volt system?
Are they close to a curtis controller in speed and acceleration?
Thanks,
Bill
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I have used and owned both and they seem simular in their properties.
Lawrence Rhodes.....
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From: "Bill & Nancy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 11:51 AM
Subject: GE ev-1 controller
> How many amps does the GE ev-1 deliver to the motor on a 96 volt system?
> Are they close to a curtis controller in speed and acceleration?
> Thanks,
> Bill
>
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On Oct 16, 2006, at 1:07 AM, Randall Prentice wrote:
AFWIK
Peukert's is a factor allowing for the I^2 R losses in the battery
(Chemical
as well as internal Resistance).
The reduction in capacity is the Heat Given to the battery is losses,
it is
not extra capacity but is a measure of the capacity wasted inside the
nattery during higher discharge currents.
That is not correct. My own Optima testing clearly demonstrated that
the capacity is not "lost," it is simply not available at higher
currents with a respectable voltage. I did a couple of tests that
confirmed this.
1. I discharged an Optima at a high load and then recharged the
battery. The amount returned was about 10% more than what was removed.
At my discharge rate the Optima was good for about 26 ah. The recharge
was constant current to 15 volts, then 15 volts to 1 amp. The first
part was easy to get the amp hours returned information, the second
part was less accurate because the recharged was manually logged every
5 minutes. Still, the results where clear. I returned around 28 amp
hours (clearly over 26 but less than 30.) These were new Optimas, each
cycled 5 times.
2. I discharged an Optima with the same high rate above one extra time
(one of the 10 was acting a bit different than the others) and then
connected it to a small load (a single headlight) as quickly as I could
after it hit 10.5 volts with the higher load. I had to remove the large
load and connect the small one so the battery could have had as much as
30 seconds rest. It had no problem maintaining a respectable voltage
with the lighter load demonstrating that capacity was still in the
battery.
3. An observation through out the testing was that the 187 amp load
didn't noticeable heat the Optima. This indicates that there is no way
I burned off 29 amp hours of capacity inside the battery.
The fact that the capacity is there, but not available at some higher
rate, is one of the weaknesses of using a simple Peukert's correction
to the ah discharge (the issue of what the user expects next.) Still, a
properly programmed e-meter doesn't do to bad.
Paul "neon" G.
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Facts? I don't see any facts here, just opinions - although I would agree
with them for the most part!
However, they are still verboten on this list - read the list charter!!!
Joseph H. Strubhar
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web: www.gremcoinc.com
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From: "Mark McCurdy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 7:42 AM
Subject: Re: Good batteries exist now, and in use
> Facts are hard to argue with.
>
> 1. Corrupted politicians exist. Putting themselves first, instead of their
> country (which do you think they were elected to do)? Why do you think the
> EV1 was crushed? Because special interest groups (oil/auto) got the
> government (polluted politicians) to weaken the law which made them be
> created in the first place.
>
> 2. Some companies are withholding technology that would further
independance
> from oil (not just USA, everyone would benefit from better batteries),
just
> because it MIGHT hurt their bottom line (they could license it or produce
it
> themselves and still make millions, if not billions, from it)
>
> If anyone wants to flame me or disagrees with the above facts, please send
> me an email saying so. I'll be happy to add you to my email block list.
> Would rather not receive or respond to emails from people who might
> distribute false EV information because their political views coincide
with
> polluted/polluting politicians and with a self-serving oil industry.
>
> But, I'm sure that most of the list are cheering someone who's tired of
> being "politically correct" all the time.
>
> Facts are facts. Anyone that wants to argue about them are only wanting to
> hide the facts.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 2:03 AM
> Subject: Re: Good batteries exist now, and in use
>
>
> > Please, let's be careful of making partisan political comments. A
recent
> > post in this thread made comments that could be controversial and cause
> > flames on the list.
> >
> > Where necessary some discussions can be presented in general, non-
> > judgemental terms - including those dealing with energy policy.
However,
> > please avoid writing posts which might generate a flaming response from
> > one
> > whose political views are opposite yours. Flame wars ruin the signal to
> > noise ratio.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> > David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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