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Evparts is a great place to shop but those terminals they are selling at
really pricey!
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On Oct 17, 2006, at 12:55 AM, Peter Eckhoff wrote:
> Where do you all normally get your battery terminals for 2/0 cable
> from?
<http://www.evparts.com/shopping/index.php?id=722>
Also got terminal covers, and Anderson connectors, &etc. Good
experience, will order again.
--
Doug Weathers
Las Cruces, NM, USA
http://learn-something.blogsite.org/
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Who just put a Bradley GT E on the road? I would like to share information as I
also own a Bradley GTE. Unfortunately due to finances, it's a ways off before I
get mine on the road.
Don Davidson
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Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 2:29 PM
Subject: GE ev-1 controller
Thanks for the information on the ev-1 controller. I was inquiring for
someone who just got a Bradley GTE on the road and seems a little
concerned about the performance of the ev at 96 volts.
Bill
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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 14:00:53 -0500
From: "Mike Ellis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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The "I'm buying it anyway" argument covers you when you download
something, but you have to remember that as you download it you are
sharing the peices of the file you've already received with
potentially thousands of people who WILL NOT be buying it.
Of course that didn't stop me.
Hypocritcally yours,
Mike
On 10/16/06, Philippe Borges <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I must admit i find it on emule few weeks ago BUT here no way to just go out
> and buy it... i'm other the pond.
> This said it's for my eyes only and i will purchase it (advertise it to
> friends also) as soon as it's available here !
> this is the most important: supporting Chris great work with massive
> purchase of this superbe film !
>
> cordialement,
> Philippe
>
> Et si le pot d'échappement sortait au centre du volant ?
> quel carburant choisiriez-vous ?
> http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr
> Forum de discussion sur les véhicules électriques
> http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr/Forum/index.php
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce Weisenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 6:11 PM
> Subject: Re: "Who Killed the Electric Car" IN FULL on the WEB ! ! !
>
>
> > While cool that we can see it, it appears to be an illegal up load. Same
> sort of thing the music industry has been fighting. It was not released by
> Sony or Chris Paine. Truth911.com is not a valid URL. I don't know about
> anyone else but I still plan on purchasing this from a Legal outlet to have
> a copy for my self. In fact I have already pre-ordered it from Amazon. Not
> purchasing a legal copy prevents future investment in similar venue. If we
> the EV enthuist want to get the real message across, we can not support
> illegal copies of copywrited material that was not freely broadcast by the
> producers. It would be like taking Otmars Zilla apart and copying it and
> selling it for $500.00 less. Or Rich Rudman PFC. Rich and Otmar support the
> list by making EV products. If say Toyota grabbed up Rich's PFC charge to
> build plug in Hybrid for example but paid Rich nothing for the design. How
> would we feel as a community. So lets not download unless you plan on buying
> it yourself anyway.
> >
> > Soapbox off
> >
> > Steven Lough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Thanks to .... Truth911.com (and Google Video) The whole movie can now
> > be seen in good quality) It seems to have been uploaded.
> >
> >
> http://wagons.autoblog.com/2006/10/15/now-showing-on-autoblog-who-killed-the-electric-car/
> > --
> > Steven S. Lough, Pres.
> > Seattle EV Association
> > 6021 32nd Ave. N.E.
> > Seattle, WA 98115-7230
> > Day: 206 850-8535
> > Eve: 206 524-1351
> > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > web: http://www.seattleeva.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+
> countries) for 2¢/min or less.
> >
>
>
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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 07:51:57 -0500
From: "Erik Bigelow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: ev <[email protected]>
Subject: Comm pictures from my 8" ADC
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Hi all,
I finally took some pictures of my comm as best I could, I understand the
difficulty now! They're up here:
http://picasaweb.google.com/electricbasset/Comm/
They look about the right color with no obvious burn marks that I could see,
and didn't sound like a "rabid squirrel ready for takeoff" as I think Jim
Husted desribed it. Actually it sounded pretty good. What I do see are
streaks that are the each around the color that I've read I should expect,
but I don't think I should be seeing both colors next to eachother right? I
don't know what the whiteish patch is on the 1st picture, but it didn't come
off with a little alcohol on a Qtip. There also to be some kind of junk
between the comm bars. Should I try to clean this?
I checked a couple of the brushes as well and they didn't seem to have any
of the problems shown here, except a streakiness corresponding to the
streaks on the comm.
http://www.hkplanet.net/learning_center/articles/DC_Motor_Brushes.html
My uneducated, 80-miles-of-EV-driving-under-my-belt guess is that it's not
bad and just needs to be cleaned up a little. I got a Comm Stone on a Stick,
a Power Polisher Bar, and a Comm Cleaner Bar (the three on the right side of
this page:
http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/wwg/viewCatalogPDF.shtml?browserCompatable=true&adobeCompatable=true&toolbar=true&CatPage=156)
My plan is to start with the softest and work my way up until I have a
pretty comm. Any opinions? Is my motor destined for destruction when I
should leave well enough alone? Thanks!
Erik
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From: "Don Davidson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Must be its no longer available on line. Was unable to locate it today. I have
already pre ordered my copies from Amazon.com For what it's worth, we as EV
enthusiasts should welcome any and all exposure we can get, even if it means
illegal downloads. Maybe if it was not in limited release to the theatres,
there would be more concern about bootleg copies. I feel we are in desperate
need of getting the message across to the masses using any methods available.
When the film was shown in Utica, NY I convinced the local media to promote it,
Mike Young displayed his Solectria during this event. If someone went to the
trouble to upload the film and "thousands" of people have downloaded this
bootleg copy-that means there is real interest in EV's from the general public.
Think of the positive-not the negative aspects of this occurrence. The word is
out and people are showing an interest!
Don Davidson
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Ellis<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: "Who Killed the Electric Car" IN FULL on the WEB ! ! !
The "I'm buying it anyway" argument covers you when you download
something, but you have to remember that as you download it you are
sharing the peices of the file you've already received with
potentially thousands of people who WILL NOT be buying it.
Of course that didn't stop me.
Hypocritcally yours,
Mike
On 10/16/06, Philippe Borges <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
wrote:
> I must admit i find it on emule few weeks ago BUT here no way to just go out
> and buy it... i'm other the pond.
> This said it's for my eyes only and i will purchase it (advertise it to
> friends also) as soon as it's available here !
> this is the most important: supporting Chris great work with massive
> purchase of this superbe film !
>
> cordialement,
> Philippe
>
> Et si le pot d'échappement sortait au centre du volant ?
> quel carburant choisiriez-vous ?
> http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr<http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr/>
> Forum de discussion sur les véhicules électriques
>
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr/Forum/index.php<http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr/Forum/index.php>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce Weisenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
> To: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 6:11 PM
> Subject: Re: "Who Killed the Electric Car" IN FULL on the WEB ! ! !
>
>
> > While cool that we can see it, it appears to be an illegal up load. Same
> sort of thing the music industry has been fighting. It was not released by
> Sony or Chris Paine. Truth911.com is not a valid URL. I don't know about
> anyone else but I still plan on purchasing this from a Legal outlet to have
> a copy for my self. In fact I have already pre-ordered it from Amazon. Not
> purchasing a legal copy prevents future investment in similar venue. If we
> the EV enthuist want to get the real message across, we can not support
> illegal copies of copywrited material that was not freely broadcast by the
> producers. It would be like taking Otmars Zilla apart and copying it and
> selling it for $500.00 less. Or Rich Rudman PFC. Rich and Otmar support the
> list by making EV products. If say Toyota grabbed up Rich's PFC charge to
> build plug in Hybrid for example but paid Rich nothing for the design. How
> would we feel as a community. So lets not download unless you plan on buying
> it yourself anyway.
> >
> > Soapbox off
> >
> > Steven Lough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
> > Thanks to .... Truth911.com (and Google Video) The whole movie can now
> > be seen in good quality) It seems to have been uploaded.
> >
> >
>
http://wagons.autoblog.com/2006/10/15/now-showing-on-autoblog-who-killed-the-electric-car/<http://wagons.autoblog.com/2006/10/15/now-showing-on-autoblog-who-killed-the-electric-car/>
> > --
> > Steven S. Lough, Pres.
> > Seattle EV Association
> > 6021 32nd Ave. N.E.
> > Seattle, WA 98115-7230
> > Day: 206 850-8535
> > Eve: 206 524-1351
> > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > web: http://www.seattleeva.org<http://www.seattleeva.org/>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:10:45 -1000
From: "martin emde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Good batteries exist now, and in use (question regarding optima
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Can you please explain why the optima yellow top is not a good choice for an
> EV? We (high school project) are considering 20 D-34's (two 10 battery
> strings in parallel for 120V system). We actually would appreciate any
> feedback regarding these batteries in an EV application. What about
> individual regulators/equalizers for the optima's - are they required?
Thanks.
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> From: doug korthof <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Oct 14, 2006 5:13 PM
> Subject: Good batteries exist now, and in use
> To: [email protected]
>
>
>
> For example, an Optima "Yellow Top" (YT) battery which is no longer good
> for Electric cars will still work for decades in a normal SLI application.
> Little load or cycling, etc., comparable to what it's built for in an
> EV. They also work in a battery backup for a solar system, where cycling is
> usually rare, but big power bursts are non-existent.
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:12:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ricky Suiter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Battery Terminal suppliers
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I'll have to second Spectro Wire and Cable, they do have a web site, there just
isn't a whole lot on it. Call them and request a catalog. They have good prices
and a good product.
http://www.spectrowireandcable.com/
One thing they offer that I have not recently been able to find is lead plated
connectors. If you are using lead batteries with lead posts (especially with
flooded batteries) you want lead against lead so you get no metalergy going on.
I hope I'm wrong here, but it seems that all other suppliers have quit carrying
lead plated connectors and now will only do tin.
Either way, the Spectro connectors are pretty beefy and they have a hex
crimper for about $100!
Rick
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From: "Rich Rudman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Guys... I HAVE the best battery chemistry in hand!!!
Any other great claims to fame above and Beyond Lithium Iron Phosphate are
Bull shit.
or just so far out there that they are "Moon Shot" grade stuff. That was
Silver Zinc...by the way.
Thanks to SEVA member Kent Bakke ,I have 12 Valence U24-12 modules in hand
and on line... as of about 11 pm last night that is.
Thank you Marc Kohler at Valence for getting me the new U-charge box.
Now I need to buy a new lap top to read the CAN buss and play data logger.
My old laptop has USB 1.0 and I need drivers.. time to upgrade the
Luggable.
So.. I am doing a PFC to Ucharge interface, and test, that I hope, will
spend some time in a Blue Prius, Kent's or Ryan's or maybe the Wenatchee
car. So.. we will see what kind of range we can get with the current crop
of GOOD Stuff batteries.
Let me tell you 500 mile range and a recharge in 5 minutes is Bull. that's a
1000 plus amps for 5 minutes at stupendous volts. GEEZ I would like to see
this done.
But the Brutal fact is I will problably be the one pushing those limits for
the rest of my life.
Even A123s can't be charged that fast without some real fast BMS and a
prayer.., Copper powder fire exstingusher... Nomex gloves...
So until I have the melted copper and the Demand charges on my power bill ..
it most likley didn't happen.
Rich Rudman
aka Madman
Manzanita Micro
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From: "Michael Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 7:39 PM
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> Ah, Rich, but you've gotta look at the "revolutionary" new batts that are
> coming down the line. One was posted today (on another site) that implies
it
> will carry a car 500 miles on a charge and recharge in 5 minutes. Per my
> calcs, we'll need several of these in the fueling station.
>
> Apparently, per this article, Feel Good is talking about them. I assume
it's
> just hype, since the numbers are so far off (eg: comparing mileage of a
> Smart sized car to an SUV.)
> http://www.thelightisgreen.com/2006/09/ceramic_battery.html
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rich Rudman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 11:34 AM
> Subject: Re: Charging idea, probably already thought of...
>
>
> > I got one O' them chargers...
> >
> > Think $0.50 per watt of power.
> > So.. a 75Kw charger.. is $37,500 in rough numbers.
> >
> > So how many do you want??
> >
> > Bit chargers can be made.. the questions is who is going to buy them and
> > install them, and maintain them? This level is pretty impressive... if
all
> > you have now is only 5Kw.
>
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Hey Jay,
Can you give us some more details about these packs?
What does the BMS do?
(From simple V monitoring to fully temp compensated V and I monitoring
with over-charge regulation and over-discharge protection...)
Can the BMS communicate with an external (to the batt) device?
(Like a charger, fuel gauge, or logging computer)
Do you have photos of a completed pack?
(Lots of 3D mock-ups in your photo gallery)
How are the individual cells interconnected?
(Is it possible to replace dud cells?
How hot does everything get under heavy load?
(How long at what amps? Does it shut down at dangerous levels? Is there
an warning alert?)
How does the cooling air-flow work?
(Where are the inlet & outlet located? How does this affect
stacking/mounting etc?)
Got any EV Celebrities lined up to use/endorse your product?
What sort of production levels are you aiming for?
Looking forward to hearing about the SMAT show on 9/10 Dec.
Mark
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay
> Sent: Monday, 16 October 2006 2:26 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: GoWheel.com & EV-Battery.com
>
>
> Hi all,
> We have lowered our production costs and just now lowered our battery
> prices to EV List members. We have also activated EV-Battery.com as
> our primary battery website (and activated some other feeder
> webnames).
> We realize that the battery initial pricing is still very high and
> that our battery packs will not be a consideration for
> (almost all) EV
> List members. As we can get better pricing, we will pass it on.
> We have not yet reviewed test results, but will post specs and test
> results as they come in. Our standing list of orders has
> exceeded our
> forecast, but we have not taken any deposits and have no
> plans to ship
> any batteries until satisfaction of testing.
> We have taken a booth at the Santa Monica Alternative Transport show
> Dec 9/10 where we will be making our first showing of
> batteries and at
> least one high performance electric motorcycle.
> We have been paying attention recently to the fixed post discussions
> and since there is no swelling in our packs (and air gaps inside and
> around our internal cells prevent that, we believe the
> extremely heavy
> fixed posts we have (the buss bars ARE the posts) are the most
> durable. Please comment on the fixed posts.
> We value all the help we have been getting from the EV List experts,
> racers, EV owners, and pioneers, and hope to meet you there.
> Hope to see you at the show.
> Lou, Ryan, Jay, Robert, Don, John, Randy, Dennis, Rose, Alex, Vic,
> Kray, and Luiz
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Contact: Jay 949-497-3600
>
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:39:20 -0500
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The only scary part about this is the potential
for a short circuit like you've never seen (or
heard) before in the case of an accidnent...
I wouldn't want to be around for the flashover
when that much energy "instantaneously" (approximately
speaking) is dumped ...
Cor van de Water wrote:
> They are in "Stealth", meaning that they prefer not
> to have publicity, which is almost a guarantee that
> they have something real, but not ready for large
> scale production yet.
> FGC has a deal with them to put their _capacitor_
> in their cars for testing.
> NOTE: it's not a battery, it is a charge on plates
> separated by a ceramic material with high dielectric
> constant, to get a (much) larger capacitor with the
> same surfaces. Being able to charge them to 3500V
> or more (theoretical calculations show me the
> break-down voltage should be as high as 6350V on the
> average, but I guess they want to keep margin for
> production variations) allows the HV capacitor to
> store an incredible amount of energy and the power is
> unbelievable as there are no chemical processes that
> govern the charge or discharge rate, only the resistive
> losses and consequent heat generation in the modules
> that make up one big capacitor from a parallel
> connection of about 2200 built-up capacitor modules.
>
> Their patent (nr us7033406) speaks volumes as well as
> the VC companies that are investing in them.
>
> Someone recently posted his experience in talking to
> the head guy (Dick Weir) who wrote the patent together
> with Carl Nelson.
> I guess you could go to Cedar Park, TX and talk to them
> or call them or shoot them an email, though they may
> not be too fast in responding, because they are in
> Stealth mode!
>
> BTW, the domain eestor.us has already been registered and
> it is active for email already, but the web site is not
> activated because - you guessed - they are in stealth.
>
> Once they come out of stealth and show the test results
> then the world of EV as we know it will change forever
> is my (humble) opinion, simply because the EVs will not
> be limited by a 100 or 200 miles range any longer, as
> they can recharge in 5 minutes.
> Also will the EEStor capacitor be built-in the car,
> if necessary welded in between floor panels, because it
> will never reach the 1,000,000 cycles they tested it with
> (without capacity reduction, because there is no chemical
> process, only electrons flowing through conductors)
>
> I hardly can wait for this product to become available
> and affordable - there will be a huge! market.
>
> Regards,
>
> Cor van de Water
> Systems Architect
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Private: http://www.cvandewater.com
> Skype: cor_van_de_water IM: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Curtis Muhlestein
> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 8:41 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Charging idea, probably already thought of...
>
>
> If you can't find EEStor on the web, are they a scam?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Michael Perry
> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 8:39 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Charging idea, probably already thought of...
>
> Ah, Rich, but you've gotta look at the "revolutionary" new batts that are
> coming down the line. One was posted today (on another site) that implies it
> will carry a car 500 miles on a charge and recharge in 5 minutes. Per my
> calcs, we'll need several of these in the fueling station.
>
> Apparently, per this article, Feel Good is talking about them. I assume it's
> just hype, since the numbers are so far off (eg: comparing mileage of a
> Smart sized car to an SUV.)
> http://www.thelightisgreen.com/2006/09/ceramic_battery.html
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rich Rudman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 11:34 AM
> Subject: Re: Charging idea, probably already thought of...
>
>
>
>>I got one O' them chargers...
>>
>>Think $0.50 per watt of power.
>>So.. a 75Kw charger.. is $37,500 in rough numbers.
>>
>>So how many do you want??
>>
>>Bit chargers can be made.. the questions is who is going to buy them and
>>install them, and maintain them? This level is pretty impressive... if all
>>you have now is only 5Kw.
>
>
>
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:32:44 EDT
Subject: Re: CX 500 Conversion
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Try _http://www.reverendgadget.com/_ (http://www.reverendgadget.com/) or
_www.leftcoastconversions.com_ (http://www.leftcoastconversions.com)
The general answer is that most motorcycle conversions are direct drive and
do not use a transmission. Most of the time on the donor cycle (non Harley,
BMW) the transmission is integrated with the ICE being removed. In fact they
share the same oil (e.g. wet clutch). Unlike a car this makes it impossible to
reuse the existing trans and you must acquire a separate unit if you still
need a transmission.
Forget the rear wheel size, focus on the final drive ratio. Most conversions
with powerful electric motors (e.g. 6.7" ADC) can live with a 3 or 4 to one
ratio (and higher with retaining the ability for highway speeds of 55 to 75
MPH). If the motor is less powerful or you don't need high speeds then you
need to increase the drive ratio to say 6 or 8 or 10 to one. Most likely the
higher ratios will require a custom (large) rear sprocket.
All of my comments in the previous paragraph assume that you are not going
the shaft drive route. If you want to keep the shaft then you are probably
going to have to budget (cost and space) for a transmission of some sort.
Mike Bachand
Denver Electric Vehicle Council (DEVC)
1994 Kawasaki Ninja EV
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From: "Philippe Borges" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: "Who Killed the Electric Car" IN FULL on the WEB ! ! !
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I'm not at all a "regular emule user"(in fact i re-installed it for that
purpose)
I keeped the "emule availability" out of my public EV board forum, i will
share only official availability, soon i hope...
but i'm of which who think sharing the file give it more audience success
and will serve Chris work, he
will win lot's of notoriety probably loosing very little money imho.
nothing wrong but end of this discussion for me :^)
cordialement,
Philippe
Et si le pot d'échappement sortait au centre du volant ?
quel carburant choisiriez-vous ?
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr
Forum de discussion sur les véhicules électriques
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr/Forum/index.php
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Ellis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: "Who Killed the Electric Car" IN FULL on the WEB ! ! !
> The "I'm buying it anyway" argument covers you when you download
> something, but you have to remember that as you download it you are
> sharing the peices of the file you've already received with
> potentially thousands of people who WILL NOT be buying it.
>
> Of course that didn't stop me.
>
> Hypocritcally yours,
>
> Mike
>
> On 10/16/06, Philippe Borges <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I must admit i find it on emule few weeks ago BUT here no way to just go
out
> > and buy it... i'm other the pond.
> > This said it's for my eyes only and i will purchase it (advertise it to
> > friends also) as soon as it's available here !
> > this is the most important: supporting Chris great work with massive
> > purchase of this superbe film !
> >
> > cordialement,
> > Philippe
> >
> > Et si le pot d'échappement sortait au centre du volant ?
> > quel carburant choisiriez-vous ?
> > http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr
> > Forum de discussion sur les véhicules électriques
> > http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr/Forum/index.php
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bruce Weisenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 6:11 PM
> > Subject: Re: "Who Killed the Electric Car" IN FULL on the WEB ! ! !
> >
> >
> > > While cool that we can see it, it appears to be an illegal up load.
Same
> > sort of thing the music industry has been fighting. It was not released
by
> > Sony or Chris Paine. Truth911.com is not a valid URL. I don't know about
> > anyone else but I still plan on purchasing this from a Legal outlet to
have
> > a copy for my self. In fact I have already pre-ordered it from Amazon.
Not
> > purchasing a legal copy prevents future investment in similar venue. If
we
> > the EV enthuist want to get the real message across, we can not support
> > illegal copies of copywrited material that was not freely broadcast by
the
> > producers. It would be like taking Otmars Zilla apart and copying it and
> > selling it for $500.00 less. Or Rich Rudman PFC. Rich and Otmar support
the
> > list by making EV products. If say Toyota grabbed up Rich's PFC charge
to
> > build plug in Hybrid for example but paid Rich nothing for the design.
How
> > would we feel as a community. So lets not download unless you plan on
buying
> > it yourself anyway.
> > >
> > > Soapbox off
> > >
> > > Steven Lough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Thanks to .... Truth911.com (and Google Video) The whole movie can
now
> > > be seen in good quality) It seems to have been uploaded.
> > >
> > >
> >
http://wagons.autoblog.com/2006/10/15/now-showing-on-autoblog-who-killed-the-electric-car/
> > > --
> > > Steven S. Lough, Pres.
> > > Seattle EV Association
> > > 6021 32nd Ave. N.E.
> > > Seattle, WA 98115-7230
> > > Day: 206 850-8535
> > > Eve: 206 524-1351
> > > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > web: http://www.seattleeva.org
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
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From: "Don Cameron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: NiMH Battery Pack from Prius Batteries
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 14:06:51 -0700
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Someone was asking about NiMh packs for an EV from wrecked Prius cars.
Here is a web site of a person who is doing this: http://www.electric7.com/
Don Cameron, Victoria, BC, Canada
see the New Beetle EV project www.cameronsoftware.com/ev
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 14:35:40 -0500
From: "Mike Ellis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Tesla monthly payments and depreciation
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Using an online lone calulator with a US$90,000 principal, 8%
interest, and a 7 year period of amatorization the payment would be
US$1402.76 monthly.
I personally am hoping that some Telsa's come up for sale, used, in a
few years. Although I fear that they will hold their value too well.
-Mike
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From: Cor van de Water <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Hi Joel,
My guess is that they probably are working on that, to
contain or to limit the effects.
In order to bring this product to mass-market, it must
be safe and reproduceable, otherwise it will never
become affordable.
Luckily we already know how to limit current, the most
rudimentary form is a fusible link, a wire that will
sacrifice itself to protect the connected hardware.
Doing so at 3500V DC will be a challenge, but not
impossible.
It has been suggested before that there may be an issue
when one of the 2200 modules develops a short-circuit and
all 2200 connected modules dump their energy into that
short, then this will create a slow explosion with a
power of the total stored energy, somewhere around 50kWh.
(quoting from memory here)
But if each module is connected to a 3500V "bus" through
a fuse, then one module blowing will have the same effect
as one bulb burning out in a Christmas display: hardly
noticeable, as long as you can avoid that it affects the
neighboring units.
If your EV has a range of 200 miles then one module going
bad will reduce your range by 0.1 mile
Still the requirements on each fuse will be pretty severe
so it breaks 3500V DC under load, although the current is
pretty small, even though they want to charge the EEstor in
4 to 6 minutes.
Putting 50 kWh into it in 4 min requires an average 750kW
and at 3500V this means 214A but with 2200 parallel units
this means only 100mA to each module.
It looks like a medium-power high voltage transistor with
a simple fold-back current limiter integrated with each
module would make this a very safe device.
Now this needs to be integrated in some way, as you do not
want to wire 2200 circuits to the EEstor. That, or finding
another way to limit the current, like a thin conductive
path that can break current at 3500V, will be their
challenge to bring this material to a produceable energy
storage device.
Regards,
Cor van de Water
Systems Architect
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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Joel Hacker
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:39 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Charging idea, probably already thought of...
The only scary part about this is the potential
for a short circuit like you've never seen (or
heard) before in the case of an accidnent...
I wouldn't want to be around for the flashover
when that much energy "instantaneously" (approximately
speaking) is dumped ...
Cor van de Water wrote:
> They are in "Stealth", meaning that they prefer not
> to have publicity, which is almost a guarantee that
> they have something real, but not ready for large
> scale production yet.
> FGC has a deal with them to put their _capacitor_
> in their cars for testing.
> NOTE: it's not a battery, it is a charge on plates
> separated by a ceramic material with high dielectric
> constant, to get a (much) larger capacitor with the
> same surfaces. Being able to charge them to 3500V
> or more (theoretical calculations show me the
> break-down voltage should be as high as 6350V on the
> average, but I guess they want to keep margin for
> production variations) allows the HV capacitor to
> store an incredible amount of energy and the power is
> unbelievable as there are no chemical processes that
> govern the charge or discharge rate, only the resistive
> losses and consequent heat generation in the modules
> that make up one big capacitor from a parallel
> connection of about 2200 built-up capacitor modules.
>
> Their patent (nr us7033406) speaks volumes as well as
> the VC companies that are investing in them.
>
> Someone recently posted his experience in talking to
> the head guy (Dick Weir) who wrote the patent together
> with Carl Nelson.
> I guess you could go to Cedar Park, TX and talk to them
> or call them or shoot them an email, though they may
> not be too fast in responding, because they are in
> Stealth mode!
>
> BTW, the domain eestor.us has already been registered and
> it is active for email already, but the web site is not
> activated because - you guessed - they are in stealth.
>
> Once they come out of stealth and show the test results
> then the world of EV as we know it will change forever
> is my (humble) opinion, simply because the EVs will not
> be limited by a 100 or 200 miles range any longer, as
> they can recharge in 5 minutes.
> Also will the EEStor capacitor be built-in the car,
> if necessary welded in between floor panels, because it
> will never reach the 1,000,000 cycles they tested it with
> (without capacity reduction, because there is no chemical
> process, only electrons flowing through conductors)
>
> I hardly can wait for this product to become available
> and affordable - there will be a huge! market.
>
> Regards,
>
> Cor van de Water
> Systems Architect
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Curtis Muhlestein
> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 8:41 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Charging idea, probably already thought of...
>
>
> If you can't find EEStor on the web, are they a scam?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Michael Perry
> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 8:39 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Charging idea, probably already thought of...
>
> Ah, Rich, but you've gotta look at the "revolutionary" new batts that are
> coming down the line. One was posted today (on another site) that implies
it
> will carry a car 500 miles on a charge and recharge in 5 minutes. Per my
> calcs, we'll need several of these in the fueling station.
>
> Apparently, per this article, Feel Good is talking about them. I assume
it's
> just hype, since the numbers are so far off (eg: comparing mileage of a
> Smart sized car to an SUV.)
> http://www.thelightisgreen.com/2006/09/ceramic_battery.html
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rich Rudman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 11:34 AM
> Subject: Re: Charging idea, probably already thought of...
>
>
>
>>I got one O' them chargers...
>>
>>Think $0.50 per watt of power.
>>So.. a 75Kw charger.. is $37,500 in rough numbers.
>>
>>So how many do you want??
>>
>>Bit chargers can be made.. the questions is who is going to buy them and
>>install them, and maintain them? This level is pretty impressive... if all
>>you have now is only 5Kw.
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 15:34:50 -0500
From: "Erik Bigelow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: ev <[email protected]>
Subject: Comm pics from my 8" ADC
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Hi all, (Retrying without HTML this time!)
I finally took some pictures of my comm as best I could, I understand
the difficulty now! They're up here:
http://picasaweb.google.com/electricbasset/Comm/
They look about the right color with no obvious burn marks that I
could see, and didn't sound like a "rabid squirrel ready for takeoff"
as I think Jim Husted desribed it. Actually it sounded pretty good.
What I do see are streaks that are the each around the color that I've
read I should expect, but I don't think I should be seeing both colors
next to eachother right? I don't know what the whiteish patch is on
the 1st picture, but it didn't come off with a little alcohol on a
Qtip. There also to be some kind of junk between the comm bars. Should
I try to clean this?
I checked a couple of the brushes as well and they didn't seem to have
any of the problems shown here, except a streakiness corresponding to
the streaks on the comm.
http://www.hkplanet.net/learning_center/articles/DC_Motor_Brushes.html
My uneducated, 80-miles-of-EV-driving-under-my-belt guess is that it's
not bad and just needs to be cleaned up a little. I got a Comm Stone
on a Stick, a Power Polisher Bar, and a Comm Cleaner Bar (the three on
the right side of this page:
http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/wwg/viewCatalogPDF.shtml?browserCompatable=true&adobeCompatable=true&toolbar=true&CatPage=156
) My plan is to start with the softest and work my way up until I have
a pretty comm. Any opinions? Is my motor destined for destruction when
I should leave well enough alone? Thanks!
Erik
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From: Cor van de Water <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: RE: "Who Killed the Electric Car" IN FULL on the WEB ! ! !
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Most DVD players can be switched to accept all zones,
as it is the DVD industry that requires the different
zones, but the manufacturers of the players rather
make just one player.
Enter your players type and brand in Google together
with the phrase "region free" and follow the instructions
(at your own risk, of course).
I had to use this when I brought movies as presents for
my children from my trips to the US, before we moved
to California.
Cor van de Water
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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Philippe Borges
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 6:29 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: "Who Killed the Electric Car" IN FULL on the WEB ! ! !
Thanks Roderick, i'm aware of that but i can't read it on my dvd player as
it is zone 1 (USA) coded !
so i prefer to wait for the european zone 2 coded version and will make the
availability anouncement on my european EV community forum asap
:^)
cordialement,
Philippe
Et si le pot d'échappement sortait au centre du volant ?
quel carburant choisiriez-vous ?
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr
Forum de discussion sur les véhicules électriques
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr/Forum/index.php
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: "Who Killed the Electric Car" IN FULL on the WEB ! ! !
> Phillip, it is due out in less than a month and if you can not find it in
> France you can order the DVD from Amazon.com. I believe they will ship
> anywhere in the world. It is available for pre-order for $18.99 right now
> here at Amazon:
>
http://www.amazon.com/Who-Killed-Electric-Martin-Sheen/dp/B000I5Y8FU/sr=1-1/
qid=1161022383/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-3392679-8298538?ie=UTF8&s=dvd
>
> Roderick Wilde
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Philippe Borges" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 10:41 AM
> Subject: Re: "Who Killed the Electric Car" IN FULL on the WEB ! ! !
>
>
> I must admit i find it on emule few weeks ago BUT here no way to just go
out
> and buy it... i'm other the pond.
> This said it's for my eyes only and i will purchase it (advertise it to
> friends also) as soon as it's available here !
> this is the most important: supporting Chris great work with massive
> purchase of this superbe film !
>
> cordialement,
> Philippe
>
> Et si le pot d'échappement sortait au centre du volant ?
> quel carburant choisiriez-vous ?
> http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr
> Forum de discussion sur les véhicules électriques
> http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr/Forum/index.php
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce Weisenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 6:11 PM
> Subject: Re: "Who Killed the Electric Car" IN FULL on the WEB ! ! !
>
>
> > While cool that we can see it, it appears to be an illegal up load. Same
> sort of thing the music industry has been fighting. It was not released by
> Sony or Chris Paine. Truth911.com is not a valid URL. I don't know about
> anyone else but I still plan on purchasing this from a Legal outlet to
have
> a copy for my self. In fact I have already pre-ordered it from Amazon. Not
> purchasing a legal copy prevents future investment in similar venue. If we
> the EV enthuist want to get the real message across, we can not support
> illegal copies of copywrited material that was not freely broadcast by the
> producers. It would be like taking Otmars Zilla apart and copying it and
> selling it for $500.00 less. Or Rich Rudman PFC. Rich and Otmar support
the
> list by making EV products. If say Toyota grabbed up Rich's PFC charge to
> build plug in Hybrid for example but paid Rich nothing for the design. How
> would we feel as a community. So lets not download unless you plan on
buying
> it yourself anyway.
> >
> > Soapbox off
> >
> > Steven Lough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Thanks to .... Truth911.com (and Google Video) The whole movie can now
> > be seen in good quality) It seems to have been uploaded.
> >
> >
>
http://wagons.autoblog.com/2006/10/15/now-showing-on-autoblog-who-killed-the
-electric-car/
> > --
> > Steven S. Lough, Pres.
> > Seattle EV Association
> > 6021 32nd Ave. N.E.
> > Seattle, WA 98115-7230
> > Day: 206 850-8535
> > Eve: 206 524-1351
> > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > web: http://www.seattleeva.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
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