EV Digest 6126
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Name my car... win a T Shirt ;)
by "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) RE: precharge using lightbulb at 144v?
by Cor van de Water <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: Name my car... win a T Shirt ;)
by Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: Name my car... win a T Shirt ;)
by "Paul G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: A programme for the Dems: Energy Independence, free NiMH, oil tax
by "Paul G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) RE: EV suppliers
by Sharon G Alexander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: A programme for the Dems: Energy Independence, free NiMH, oil tax
by GWMobile <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: Current Eliminator News
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
9) Re: CO2 per mile calculations
by "Michael Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: Current Eliminator News
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
11) Re: Batteries on bicycles
by "Michael Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: A program for the Dems: Energy Independence, etc
by "Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: A programme for the Dems: Energy Independence, free NiMH, oil tax
by "Michael Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Name my car... win a T Shirt ;)
by DM3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Water heaters
by Chris Zach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: Batteries on bicycles
by "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: A programme for the Dems: Energy Independence, free NiMH, oil tax
by "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) First ride in the... errr.... ;)
by nikki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: Current Eliminator News
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
20) Re: Current Eliminator News
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
21) Re: EV suppliers
by "Mike Harvey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: Water heaters
by "Mike Harvey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) A few New England Notes WAS Re: A programme for the Dems: Energy
Independence, free NiMH, oil tax
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: precharge using lightbulb at 144v?
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Re: Water heaters
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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SPECTRUM 4
SPECTRUM 4 has a relationship to the electronics in your EV, as TRANSFORMER I
which is the name of my EV which has a relationship to the electrical.
The spectrum color code use for electronics is color code 4 which refers to the
color yellow.
Roland
On 11/10/06, nikki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
> We decided in order to promote the new SouthWest UK EV group (BEVOB -
> http://www.bevob.org/wordpress<http://www.bevob.org/wordpress>) that we'd run
> a little competition on
> my personal blog for people to suggest a name for my new City El.
>
> If you have an idea for a bright yellow City El and want to win a T
> shirt just comment your ideas and the best one wins a "EVangelists
> Suck Amps" T shirt!
>
> http://aminorjourney.co.uk/wordpress/archives/309<http://aminorjourney.couk/wordpress/archives/309>
> for the story. It's
> currently got the name "the flying banana" but I'm thinking it'd be
> nice to have something less... fruity!
>
> Nikki.
>
> _______________________________
> Old car? New tricks?
> Visit aminorjourney.com to see the transformation from Hebe to EV.
>
> E-minor isn't just a key any more...
> ____________________________
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Typically a neon bulb lights up at 90V then drops somewhat in
voltage (you can make an oscillator that way) so for 144V if you
double the resistor, you are at the safe side.
Fomr the value of the resistor (order of 100k Ohm) you can see
that the neon bulb works from extremely low current.
It is truly an indicator-device, I have often seen it lit up
(weakly) on a circuit that was turned off, because the switch
was accidentally in the neutral lead and the phase was on, the
capacitive (or leak) current in the other wire was enough to
light up the neon iulb.
Regarding the 120V light bulb pre-charge at 144V:
it probably is safest to go to a 230V bulb, but it may work
to use a 22 Ohm 10Watt resistor in series with a 130V bulb,
though the single bulb is cheaper ;-)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Paul G.
Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 3:01 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: precharge using lightbulb at 144v?
On Nov 11, 2006, at 1:54 PM, mike golub wrote:
> Would the neon + resistor work was well for
> precharging? Can a neon bulb handle 132v or 144v?
> Would the resistor be higher?
I don't think it would work well as the small neon indicators are very
low current devices. I doubt the current would be high enough to
precharge the Curtis controller.
Yes, the resistor used with a neon lamp would get larger as the input
voltage increased. Unfortunately, its not a scaling based on voltage as
the neon lamp has a large voltage drop of its own. Such a lamp could be
used as a blown precharge bulb indicator with the appropriate resistor
for your 144v pack (very rough guess, actual current should be
measured, the needed resistance would be around 150% of what is used
for 120 volt operation.)
Paul "neon" G.
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Global warning
Since you wear that thing basically...yellow jacket
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On Nov 10, 2006, at 10:45 PM, Robert Lemke wrote:
Electric Banana
Uh, that's almost it's name now. The owner is trying to get past
"Flying Banana." She also suggested avoiding 'fruity' names - but I
couldn't resist.
Lemon Peel
Paul "neon" G.
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This is not a political action list - its the EV list. I dare say I
found something in your rant that I do agree something I don't agree
with. Either way, this is the wrong place for it. This is an
international list supporting EVs and helping EV owners, with specific
guidelines to stay out of the political arena. Please respect that,
because EVers come from all political persuasions. We want to unite
here - not divide here.
Thanx - and remember, "A vote for me, is a vote for me!" [*]
Paul "neon" G.
[*] Joe Walsh, Joe Vitale, "Vote for Me"
On Nov 10, 2006, at 8:26 PM, doug korthof wrote:
The auto companies are widely viewed as appealing to the Dems for aid
[...]
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I have had that problem too, they hardly never called me back, their phone only
had incoming, not out going, So as we started building more of these EVs, we
started, getting away from buying from suppliers. the only thing I buy now is
the controller, being a Warp dealer,and I make all my own parts,( couplers,
adapters, motor mounts, in house, its a way for a business to keep over head
down, I have sold some of my things over our web site, and have told costumers
,that I make them at nite, after I'm done in the garage building EVs all day
long. They understand, and its only about a few days till I can mail them out.
Here in Wichita theres always a real good bargain sale at Boeing's scrap
yard sale, (all new stuff) contactors at any voltage and size,relays, battery
ends buy the ton. battery cable, welding cable at a fraction of the retail
price, and any size of aluminum you could think of, soft, aircraft grade, and
hardened aircraft grade, doing this we can keep our prices the lowest there
is,,and I always call back, it only takes one mad person to ruin a business, in
such a small world as EVs
Wayne & Sharon www.ev-blue.com the new site by Jay at go-wheel.com
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Remember that the idea of a patent, which is a government protected
monopoly and restriction of everyone else's right to make anything they
want, is based on the founding fathers desire for patents to BE GOOD FOR
THE PUBLIC GOOD.
Patents are a unique exemption to the laws against monopoly.
Patents were intended to ensure DEVELOPEMENT and DEPLOYMENT not
suppression of technology.
Therefore it is absolutely Amercian as apple pie to ensure that when
patents are used for suppression rather than deployment of technology
for the public good - those patents can and should morally be revoked.
Remember a patent is the restriction on the freedoms of OTHERS not the
patent holders.
The restrictions on everyone other than the patent holder's' freedom to
make whatever they want (a patent) is not a natural state of affairs
and is restricted ONLY under the very narrow goals of the public good.
On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 11:28 am, David Dymaxion wrote:
If stuff like government seizure of intellectual property (IP) and
giving it away worked, then Russia, China, and North Korea should be
tree hugger paradises. Also, prosecute for what? It's not illegal to
not produce something. Should drug companies that decide to not do stem
cell research also be prosecuted? Companies that elect to not produce
products for the military? You could argue those are "greater good"
things that lead to people's deaths if not done.
Remember, the best way to keep something around forever is to tax it.
Taxing something you want to get rid of creates an inherent
conflict-of-interest. Why do you think cigarettes are still legal? The
more tax government gets from gasoline, the more addicted to gas it
becomes, and the harder it will work to maintain that revenue stream.
What you need to do is take the tax off of gasoline, and then
government would objectively consider gasoline's role in society. Put
this tax on electricity instead, and you'll see a huge surge of
government interest in promoting electric cars. Indeed, a graduated tax
on electricity, the more you use the more you pay, would make
government want electric cars even more. You could even graduate it
terms of both Amp*hours and Amps -- so fast recharges generate more tax
revenue, encouraging the development of quick recharge technologies and
recharge stations.
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From: doug korthof <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 9:26:43 PM
Subject: A programme for the Dems: Energy Independence, free NiMH, oil
tax
The auto companies are widely viewed as appealing to the Dems for aid
both in clearing their pension liability and in erecting trade barriers
to foreign cars. At the same time, Democrats, it's predicted, will
rescind the special tax benefits Bush handed out to the oil companies.
Now is the time to demand that Dems actually do more than just payback
the unions for their contributions...Any aid to the auto companie, and
policy toward the oil companies, must be accompanied by:
1. Freeing the NiMH patents from Chevron, or else forcing Toyota to
produce the EV-95 battery as a condition of doing business; eminent
domain is one possibility, criminal prosecution is another.
2. Raising CAFE standards.
3. A graduated tax on oil, so that the more you use, the more you pay.
One way to do this is via ration cards; another is by raising the price
but giving "gas credit cards" to everyone for the first $100/month of
free gas. After that, they would have to pay the going price, perhaps
$8/gallon. Other ways to do this are by regional taxes on gas
deliveries, and a gas-guzzler tax.
4. A new, national ZEV mandate, "a ZEV must be produced to satisfy the
demand of the free market so that everyone who wants to buy one at a
fair price will be served an EV".
This can be a letter writing campaign, testimony, picketing, petitions,
and perhaps just contacting your elected representatives.
The mainstream does not even know that Chevron controls the NiMH
patents, nor that the existence of EVs depends on these batteries, the
only proven economical, long-lasting, and powerful enough to drive a
car without an IC in EV service.
It's possible that Lithium, or lead-acid, might be made sufficient,
perhaps with nano-tech; but that's a different issue. We know, now,
that the batteries exist; we know that they work; and no pissant
company, no matter how many bribes they pay, should be allowed to stand
in the way of the national interest in the interest of their oil
megalopoly and bloated profits.
The price of gas has already started to rise; there's no reason to
believe that the oil companies won't use the excuse of "peak oil" to
jack prices as high as they wish, and reduce competition and regulation
while they can.
The issue is plain; the obfuscaters are the oil companies and their
paid hacks and bribed politicians.
/Doug
www.GlobalBoiling.com for daily images about hurricanes, globalwarming
and the melting poles.
www.ElectricQuakes.com daily solar and earthquake images.
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The NHRA WALLY REPORT.Up front it was not to be,but we did run 9 passes to
the final round,took out a couple of track champs along the way.There were only
2 NHRA Wallys to possibly win this year.I qualified for the race of champions
in Division 7 where I lost by .002.The other chance this weekend at the Wild
Wild West .Shootout race where the best of the best racers came for their
chance at a NHRA WALLY.We went round after round making most of the racers
break
out against the CE dragster.Nine passes on pins and needles.The final round I
dialed 11.820,my opponet the track owner/manager a 9.49.I was on kill mode on
the starting line and my slight RED LITE put me out.The CE ran exactly on its
dial 11.820,Butch ran 9.53,for the win.I feel very good about the Current
Eliminator today.Theres a large writeup and pictures coming out in the national
dragster mag soon.We also added a few hundred bucks to CEs winnings this year.
What could a
250lb.pack of liths.do in the CE flat out? 7second qt.miles
Dennis Berube
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The amount of CO2 from fires is *very* tiny compared to that produced that
it's not even a side note. You may recall the raging fires, blocking out the
sun, in Kuwait, during IW #1??? There was a posting of the volume on one of
the college websites about that time.
The interesting thing is that was visible... and a small fraction of the
total produced worldwide.
> You could count all the EVs that caught on fire this past year while your
at
> it.
>
> Ted
> Olympia, WA
> N47 02.743 W122 53.772
> > Carl,
> > Include on your list all the railroad and truck tank cars that burn. In
> > today's news another train derailed and
> > thousands of gallons of petroleum burned. That's the second incident of
> > that type in about 2 weeks.
> >
> > John in Sylmar, CA PV-EV conversion
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Consider driving the CE a couple rounds at firebird next fri nite. Dennis
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I've been following this. For myself, I am always impressed with you guys
who can ride 100 miles a day and/or go 30+ MPH. I know there are folks out
there that can do this, but I've not met any of them during my rides. Even
in my prime, I was never one of these.
Personally, I moved up to a 'bent because it increased my speed
dramatically. (This was more due to the quality of the bike, than its actual
design.) I think my normal cruise speed is around 18MPH (with practice) and
I average about 13MPH. (About 40 minutes for my 10.5 mile commute compared
to 14 minutes via automobile.) My e-bike wasn't 100% legal, but I usually
kept the speed below 20, and cut maybe 5 minutes off the trip. The
*difference* is that I could cruise round trip, only pedaling when I felt
like it. Oh, and I converted an upright bike for its greater visibility, and
its shorter length.
BTW, I've come across a few high speed riders. Naturally, I pull to the side
and let them pass. It didn't *look* like they were going all that much
faster than my 16MPH.
As for theft, yes, it's a major problem in most cities. My favorite was a
bike outside the coffee house. First the seat went missing. He left the bike
there and each night a couple parts went missing, until only the frame was
left bolted to the post. The only place I've seen that was safe was where I
now work. Here the bike rack is next to the cafeteria (big glass windows)
and in the smoking area. (Smoking does have its safety benefits, I guess.
<g>)
The safest bike is one that you can take with you into the office. My friend
commutes 1.5 miles each way on an e-scoot. His commute time is less than
driving... about the same time as walking from the parking lot to the
building. The scoot has paid for itself in daily parking fees. He just rides
into the parking structure (under the building), into the elevator, and
rolls it to his cubical, where it tucks in the corner.
At about 1000 MPG equivalency, these rigs (e-bike or scoot) don't use enough
power to even show on the average utility bill. My e-scoot was even welcome
inside the local stores, where I'd use it as a shopping cart. (Obviously
pushing it indoors.) I certainly would not have left a similar priced bike
tied up outdoors.
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From: "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Even people in moderate good shape can out perform most e-bikes and
> >> folks in good shape can out perform ALL of the legal e-bicycles.
> I've done 24 miles in 1 hour in a solo effort.
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The original topic here is about Environmental Politics and Energy Independence
more than
it is about EVs.
EVs can and will help the current situation. Democrats need to respect public
rights, and
if rights are respected EVs can help.
Steve Love -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: doug korthof <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: [email protected]
> > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 9:26:43 PM
> > Subject: A program for the Dems: Energy Independence, etc
> > The auto companies are widely viewed as appealing to the Dems for aid
> > both in clearing their pension liability and in erecting trade barriers
> > to foreign cars. At the same time, Democrats, it's predicted, will
> > rescind the special tax benefits Bush handed out to the oil companies.
> > Now is the time to demand that Dems actually do more than just payback
> > the unions for their contributions...Any aid to the auto companies and
> > policy toward the oil companies must be accompanied by:
> > 1. Freeing the NiMH patents from Chevron, or else forcing Toyota to
> > produce the EV-95 battery as a condition of doing business; eminent
> > domain is one possibility, criminal prosecution is another.
> > 2. Raising CAFE standards.
> > 3. A graduated tax on oil, so that the more you use, the more you pay.
> > One way to do this is via ration cards; another is by raising the price
> > but giving "gas credit cards" to everyone for the first $100/month of
> > free gas. After that, they would have to pay the going price, perhaps
> > $8/gallon. Other ways to do this are by regional taxes on gas
> > deliveries, and a gas-guzzler tax.
> > 4. A new, national ZEV mandate, "a ZEV must be produced to satisfy the
> > demand of the free market so that everyone who wants to buy one at a
> > fair price will be served an EV".
> > This can be a letter writing campaign, testimony, picketing, petitions,
> > and perhaps just contacting your elected representatives.
> > The mainstream does not even know that Chevron controls the NiMH
> > patents, nor that the existence of EVs depends on these batteries, the
> > only proven economical, long-lasting, and powerful enough to drive a
> > car without an IC in EV service.
> > It's possible that Lithium, or lead-acid, might be made sufficient,
> > perhaps with nano-tech; but that's a different issue. We know, now,
> > that the batteries exist; we know that they work; and no pissant
> > company, no matter how many bribes they pay, should be allowed to stand
> > in the way of the national interest in the interest of their oil
> > megalopoly and bloated profits.
> > The price of gas has already started to rise; there's no reason to
> > believe that the oil companies won't use the excuse of "peak oil" to
> > jack prices as high as they wish, and reduce competition and regulation
> > while they can.
> > The issue is plain; the obfuscaters are the oil companies and their
> > paid hacks and bribed politicians.
> > Doug
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I thought political stuff wasn't allowed here, but I see others answering...
so my nickel's worth.
First, you are assuming the Dems care. Much of what you suggest would be in
place today, if Bill had put it into effect 3 months earlier. As he was
heading out the door, he signed a number of "controversial" bills (many you
mentioned) which allowed them to be canceled by the current administration.
As a lame duck, he could have made them into law, but chose not to. (And the
press keep saying W hasn't vetoed bills.)
As for #3 (below) good luck. Take a look at the times the tax has tried to
be upped... at every level. When the tax was imposed, it was a major portion
of the cost of fuel. Instead of making it a percentage (sales tax is evil,
remember) they made it a fixed fee. Now what we can expect is the opposite
of what you suggest, as states are looking at imposing a tax based on the
miles driven. A small computer on board will tell the pump how many miles
you have driven... so gas tax becomes a mileage tax... hitting all personal
vehicles at the same rate.
BTW, you may already be paying $8 or more per gallon for fuel, just doing so
indirectly.
> > 3. A graduated tax on oil, so that the more you use, the more you pay.
> > One way to do this is via ration cards; another is by raising the price
> > but giving "gas credit cards" to everyone for the first $100/month of
> > free gas. After that, they would have to pay the going price, perhaps
> > $8/gallon. Other ways to do this are by regional taxes on gas
> > deliveries, and a gas-guzzler tax.
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Since it is a JET Electrica - How-bout:
JETyello
YelloJET
JETbanana
BananaJET
or
CanaryJET --- with a logo that is a canary with propulsion along the line
of what this brainiack had in mind in this article:
http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Find-Freedom.htm?At=011639
Jimmy
> --
> Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net
> > From: "Dr. Andy Mars" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: Name my car... win a T Shirt ;)
> Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 11:54:57 -0800
>
> Yell-ectric ?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matthew Milliron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 6:47 AM
> Subject: Re: Name my car... win a T Shirt ;)
>
>
> >
> > All I could think of was
> > Electric Lemon,
> > Mellow Yellow,
> > Yellow Rose of Texas,
> > Daisy,
> > Electric Canary,
> > John Deer (Yellow),
> > Pyrite,
> > Itsy bitsy teeny weeny Yellow polka dotted car,
> > Golden Delicious,
> > Yellow peril,
> > Yellow journalism,
> > Citrine,
> > Banana slug,
> > Amber,
> > Sunflower,
> > Yellow Submarine,
> > Alaska is where the Huskies grow, so don't you eat that yeller snow.
> > Yellow cab,
> > The Egg Yolk,
> > Yellow Fever,
> > Yellow Labrador,
> > Goldfish,
> > Sunlight,
> > Yellow Jacket,
> >
> >
> > R. Matt Milliron
> > 1981 Jet Electrica
> > http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/702
> > My daughter named it, "Pikachu". It's yellow and black,
> > electric and contains Japanese parts, so I went with it.
> >
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Quick question: There is a manufacturer that makes water heaters for EVs
in the 300 volt range. I need some heat in the truck this winter (for
defrosting if nothing else) and need a unit, pref with an integrated
pump and control.
Any idea what it is?
Chris
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> I've been following this. For myself, I am always impressed with you guys
> who can ride 100 miles a day and/or go 30+ MPH. I know there are folks out
> there that can do this, but I've not met any of them during my rides. Even
> in my prime, I was never one of these.
Centuries aren't that bad if you ework up to them.
Doing 30+ mph is tough for meer mortals, the secret is finding the right
race. My favorite is the Sonoita Patgonia Time Trial. 12 miles with an
average 1% down grade.
http://www.saguarovelo.org/results/04sonoita.htm
All of the results in red averaged over 30mph, of course there was a bit
of a tail wind that day too.
Look about 1/2 way down, number 775
> I average about 13MPH. (About 40 minutes for my 10.5 mile commute compared
> to 14 minutes via automobile.) My e-bike wasn't 100% legal, but I usually
> kept the speed below 20, and cut maybe 5 minutes off the trip. The
> *difference* is that I could cruise round trip, only pedaling when I felt
> like it. Oh, and I converted an upright bike for its greater visibility,
> and
> its shorter length.
E-bikes are geat fun. As well as a couple homebrews I have a Sinclair C5
and an EV Warrior. The EV Warrior let's my wife keep up with me.
I just wish the C5 was big enough for me to ride, but it gets tons of
attention when either my wife or daughter rides it.
> As for theft, yes, it's a major problem in most cities. My favorite was a
> bike outside the coffee house. First the seat went missing. He left the
> bike
Hmm, something else to add to my list of reasons not to live in a big
city. I just drove through Phoenix today and my stomach was in knots the
whole time. My sympathies to those of you that have to live in a big
city.
> commutes 1.5 miles each way on an e-scoot. His commute time is less than
> driving... about the same time as walking from the parking lot to the
> building. The scoot has paid for itself in daily parking fees. He just
> rides
> into the parking structure (under the building), into the elevator, and
> rolls it to his cubical, where it tucks in the corner.
Yup, I guess I've been lucky, but every place I've worked has had a bike
rack near one of the entrances. Even though the commute is usually longer
by bike, thew time savings from not having to find a parking space, and
then walk in from the parking lot, often makes up for it.
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On 11 Nov 2006 at 19:24, Michael Perry wrote:
> I thought political stuff wasn't allowed here, but I see others answering...
> so
> my nickel's worth.
Political material is STRONGLY discouraged.
Some have indeed responded to this thread, in some cases skirting close to
controversy. But responses from others doesn't make politics acceptable
here. Please do your part to keep things under control, and DON'T respond,
certainly not in any way which might be taken as advocating partisan
politics.
It's very difficult for discussions of this topic to remain cordial and non-
controversial. It's best to keep politics off the EV list entirely.
Thanks.
David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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Hi everyone,
Had the first proper drive in the CityEl this morning. I had a drive
yesterday but it wasn't really indicative of performance as it was
stop and go up a few blocks and back. This morning being Sunday the
roads were pretty deserted and I had a proper chance to give the car
some serious attention.
Headed out of my house and into Bristol - about 5 miles away. The El
loved the big hill just outside our place (going down that is!) and I
hit 42mph before chickening out and hitting the anchors. It sure felt
faster though!
No problems going in. As it was quiet I was aware I had plenty of
time to pull away and I think it certainly helped the batteries.
They're quite cheap semi-tractions with a C5 of 75AH (not great but
new in August) but it'll get us going until we've got some money for
better ones. The car is bog standard and in "showroom" condition so
it gave me a good idea of how they drove new.
No funny noises from anywhere although you do get shaken around a lot
on these c&*p UK roads. When I could (and -no-one was behind me) I
tried avoiding all bumps and tried to keep a light right-foot. Seemed
to work! Coming back I decided to go for a gentle long hill rather
than the monster one (which I'll probably test when the car's back to
full charge) and had no problems. I stupidly took the roof off and
froze myself silly - but the enjoyment alone was well worth it. It's
not till the roof is off that you realise just *how* quiet the thing is.
I also tested the speedometer and odometer. The Previous owner had
claimed the former was in MPH and the latter KPH. I added 11 digits
to the odo by the time I returned from what I would have guessed to
be an 10/11 mile trip. GPS confirmed the speedo was in MPH and over-
reading slightly but that's normal. So I guess the car is in MPH.
Got back and the pack was down to 37.8 volts from 39.9. Not bad?
What do you think?
Nikki.
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9 victorious passes, unbelievable! I wish I could have been there.
7 secs. I want to see that.
Cash in some of that gold and buy the LI pack.
I'll meet you in Maryland next summer.
2007 Should be one heck of a year for Ev drag racing.
Shawn
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: Current Eliminator News
The NHRA WALLY REPORT.Up front it was not to be,but we did run 9 passes
to
the final round,took out a couple of track champs along the way.There
were only
2 NHRA Wallys to possibly win this year.I qualified for the race of
champions
in Division 7 where I lost by .002.The other chance this weekend at the
Wild
Wild West .Shootout race where the best of the best racers came for
their
chance at a NHRA WALLY.We went round after round making most of the
racers break
out against the CE dragster.Nine passes on pins and needles.The final
round I
dialed 11.820,my opponet the track owner/manager a 9.49.I was on kill
mode on
the starting line and my slight RED LITE put me out.The CE ran exactly
on its
dial 11.820,Butch ran 9.53,for the win.I feel very good about the
Current
Eliminator today.Theres a large writeup and pictures coming out in the
national
dragster mag soon.We also added a few hundred bucks to CEs winnings
this year.
What could
a
250lb.pack of liths.do in the CE flat out? 7second qt.miles
Dennis Berube
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In a message dated 11/12/2006 4:14:21 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> rrent Eliminator News
> Date:11/12/2006 4:14:21 AM Pacific Standard Time
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> Reply-to:[email protected]
> To:[email protected]
> Received from Internet:
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>
> 9 victorious passes, unbelievable! I wish I could have been there.
> **I am sure you could have done this story more
> justice,every racer in the country knows how much a Wally is worth!!
> 7 secs. I want to see that.
> Cash in some of that gold and buy the LI pack.
> **I will wait until a drag car takes my 8.8 record or
> until a LI company wants a new record from my CE dragster.Until that occurs
> its Bracket Racing the top ice cars in the country.
> I'll meet you in Maryland next summer.
> **Working with my S10 electric,I have a
> couple other objectives next year in the pro street record department I would
> like to take care of. Dennis
> Berube visit my site currenteliminator.net
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Hey Sharon,
Might you be referring to Electro Auto. Has anyone heard from them in
person? I have a kit outstanding (ordered in August). They have not returned
calls or email for over a month. Frustrating....
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From: "Sharon G Alexander" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 9:11 PM
Subject: RE: EV suppliers
I have had that problem too, they hardly never called me back, their phone
only had incoming, not out going, So as we started building more of these
EVs, we started, getting away from buying from suppliers. the only thing I
buy now is the controller, being a Warp dealer,and I make all my own
parts,( couplers, adapters, motor mounts, in house, its a way for a
business to keep over head down, I have sold some of my things over our web
site, and have told costumers ,that I make them at nite, after I'm done in
the garage building EVs all day long. They understand, and its only about a
few days till I can mail them out.
Here in Wichita theres always a real good bargain sale at Boeing's scrap
yard sale, (all new stuff) contactors at any voltage and size,relays,
battery ends buy the ton. battery cable, welding cable at a fraction of
the retail price, and any size of aluminum you could think of, soft,
aircraft grade, and hardened aircraft grade, doing this we can keep our
prices the lowest there is,,and I always call back, it only takes one mad
person to ruin a business, in such a small world as EVs
Wayne & Sharon www.ev-blue.com the new site by Jay at go-wheel.com
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Metric Mind has some on their website. They're a bit pricey though, and from
what I've heard from folks that installed them is they take a long time to
heat up.
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From: "Chris Zach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 10:59 PM
Subject: Water heaters
Quick question: There is a manufacturer that makes water heaters for EVs
in the 300 volt range. I need some heat in the truck this winter (for
defrosting if nothing else) and need a unit, pref with an integrated pump
and control.
Any idea what it is?
Chris
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From: "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Cc: "Michael Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 3:18 AM
Subject: Re: A programme for the Dems: Energy Independence, free NiMH, oil
tax
> On 11 Nov 2006 at 19:24, Michael Perry wrote:
>
> > I thought political stuff wasn't allowed here, but I see others
answering... so
> > my nickel's worth.
>
> Political material is STRONGLY discouraged.
>
> Some have indeed responded to this thread, in some cases skirting close to
> controversy. But responses from others doesn't make politics acceptable
> here. Please do your part to keep things under control, and DON'T
respond,
> certainly not in any way which might be taken as advocating partisan
> politics.
> Hi EVeryone;
As David sez, about politics, am surprised that it has been amazingly
quiet. Dispite the major issues of last week; a filling of polling places in
record numbers! IF ya wanna do politics, take it over to Yahoo Groups;
"Electric Cars for Sale"or is it "Vehicles"? Have at it over there! Doug
Korthoff at his finast! And a host of other guyz blasting EVerything,
relating to EV's.Go ahead and politically unwind over there!I'll see ya
there?
Notice gas prices starting to creep back up several cents a weak?Got gas
in NJ a few weeks ago for 199.9 a gal, yesterday in Massa two shits for $
2.12. Was gassing the Prius when a guy pulls in and said" It was 2.06
YESTERDAY. I sez" Didn't ya hear me say that it would go back up AFTER the
elections?"Guess he didn't<g>!?I THOUHT 2.12 was damn good, being from
Corrupticut.
Back to more topical stuff; We had a nice turnout for our ENew England EAA
meeting,yesterday, It is gratifying to see new guyz coming out of the
woodwork, in our area. It is pretty good what a few movies can do.So we try
to get guyz together to compare pix and real running EV'sBill Glickman's 72
bug makes it to the meetings, EVen though it was a tough 40 mile plus UPhill
trip to Warren MA to get there. Brought my famous Bad Boy BIG ass Variac,
think 50 lbs plus and Full wave bridge, wires held on with C clamps,
breadboarded, as it was thrown together for his first run to my place, in 15
minutes, and it looks it! Plug everything in and throw the circuit breaker
LAST!"CLICK! no fireworks or short circuses!? Crank the vice grips(Handle)
til it hums like hell. HMMMMMM That sounds like about 30 amps??Crank'er up!
I replaced the #10 leads with #8 wire , it's good for more!The good old
Bryan Metheny system; Wire is pleasently warm;It's OK!Smokin'? Cut her back
a bit<g>!Don't call them ' stench cords for nothing!All this stuff will go
in a nice inconvenient single box, fan, too, when I get around to it!
Hey! I wanna thank the guyz at FOX VALLEY EAA. I got a DVD of the Joliet
weekend fest, Called "Electric Ave" from the tune. It had a great shot of my
Zombie beating breakstand, I sed it "break" stand as I felt SURE I was
gunna BREAK something?With all that battery weight aboard, I didn't call it
"Led Sled" for nothing. But the smoke roiled off BOTH front tires, at about
250 amps@ 115 volts when things got heated up!I had just come off the
charger, car was nice and juicy, for starters.A sorta klidoscope of pix and
clips put to music, fun memories. Thanks guyz! To all involved!
Ah! Rabbit memories! The motor fits nicely into my 88 Jetta, everything
is hanging in there waiting for me to cobble up some more motor-tranny
support. No I haven't done much of late. Too many basic house priojects top
catch up on for winter. Youse guys that own homes know what I mean.Endless
painting repairing weather damage. Gotta fix the shed roof, my Electrac
collection is getting rained on INDOORS! Rake TONS of leaves! You guys in
Phoenix ,and Sandy Eggo, I can hear ya laffing. But shade trees are nice in
the summer for us shade tree mechanics to work under. Sorry, Palm trees just
don't make it!
Anyhow, with the Christmas holidaze coming, Hell! the decorations are up
in the stores already! Christmas, it's 65 % out, so it is sorta hard to
think of it already, but we plan on our Christmas EAA Dinner at O'Conners in
Worcester. MA Nice place, good food and company. So pencil it in, guyz, on
DEC. 9th. Bring your wife or Significent Other, we get our separate party
room. Very nice.
Seeya there?
Bob
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mike golub wrote:
Would the neon + resistor work was well for
precharging? Can a neon bulb handle 132v or 144v?
Would the resistor be higher?
I guess you could put a resistor in series for your
precharge lightbulb? If you raise the volatage?
Neon lamps only use a few milliamps. This is too low a current to precharge.
Hmm... you could use a flash tube, though. When off, they easily
withstand several hundred volts and remain an open circuit. When you
trigger it, you'd get a blinding flash of light, and it would precharge
the controller to within 20-30v of full within a fraction of a second! :-)
It would take a big flashtube, though. The little ones in most cameras
only have a couple hundred microfarads of capacitance; a controller has
a couple THOUSAND microfarads. So the flashtube would have to be 10
times bigger, to handle 10 times the energy. They make 'em that big, for
aircraft, radio tower marker lights, etc.
> I guess you could put a resistor in series for your
> precharge lightbulb?
Sure, that would work fine. Or even two bulbs in series. But it's pretty
easy to find light bulbs of almost any desired voltage.
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Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget the perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen
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Mike Harvey wrote:
Metric Mind has some on their website. They're a bit pricey though, and
from what I've heard from folks that installed them is they take a long
time to heat up.
Slow warmup time is a frequent complaint against electric water heaters.
But here's a thought...
The water heater in your home is also slow to recover when it has a tank
of cold water to heat up. So, you leave it "on" all the time. Modern
water heater tanks are very well insulated, so the standby heat loss is
very low.
Why not do the same in your EV? Super-insulate the tank, and leave the
heater on (cycling on/off to maintain temperature) all the time. The
extra energy usage per day could be made very low, and provided by AC
power during your daily charging. Now you would have "instant" heat when
you start driving.
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Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget the perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen
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Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net
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