EV Digest 6175
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) EDTA Electric Vehicle Expo Nov 28-30-06
by "Mark E. Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: NiMH Battery Pack Proposal
by Jack Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: DEVC?
by "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: 2 Segways spotted
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: DEVC?
by "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: Rectactor Files
by Jeff Major <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: New website created
by "Don Davidson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: EDTA Electric Vehicle Expo Nov 28-30-06
by "mike young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: 2 Segways spotted
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
10) Re: CVT for solar EV, RE: Motor selection for 2KW PV solar only drag
race = LONG
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: Leaking motor, an'Stuff (Edison Stout)
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: Rectactor Files
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: 2 Segways spotted
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: 2 Segways spotted
by GWMobile <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) alt car expo in Los Angeles
by Tony Hwang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: alt car expo in Los Angeles
by "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Nissan Electric Vehicle
by "Tom Carpenter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: Need isolation transformer
by "Paul G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: alt car expo in Los Angeles
by keith vansickle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: Nissan Electric Vehicle
by Paul Wujek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: Nissan Electric Vehicle
by "Michael Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) RE: 2 Segways spotted
by "Curtis Muhlestein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: 2 Segways spotted
by "Michael Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: 2 Segways spotted
by Danny Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) RE: 2 Segways spotted
by "Curtis Muhlestein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) Re: 2 Segways spotted
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
27) Re: 2 Segways spotted - 38 up for auction
by "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
28) RE: Need isolation transformer
by Cor van de Water <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
29) A ffriend of mine needs help with his controller for motor 5bt2366c11 in
1974 EVA Metro
by Steve Powers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
30) Re: Need isolation transformer
by "Evan Tuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Hi,
I was curious who is going to the EDTA EV Expo in Washington DC this week?
Thanks,
Mark
Mark E. Hanson
184 Vista lane
Fincastle, VA 24090
540-473-1248
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Pretty close, it does say 75% and not 70% at 700 cycles, I suppose you
should average that figure rather than use the worst case, but no
biggie. I note this is just the first 10 packs that pays for some
development, price should come down in the future, but buyers of the
second 10 packs will not get the same rebate deal, which btw was
incorrect, should be next 100 packs sold not 50 for $5,000 rebate.
Jack
Greg Watson wrote:
Hi Jack,
So just to make sure my numbers are correct, that is 120v * 9ah = 1.08
kWh * 70% * 700 cycles = ~530 kWh of storage and discharge for $900 or
$1.70 / kWh?
Greg
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Murray"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 3:46 PM
Subject: NiMH Battery Pack Proposal
The poll results are in, almost 40 people saying they would spend
over $4,000 for a NiMH battery pack,
and 6 saying they would spend over $10,000. While not overwhelming,
it looks like enough interest to proceed.
For the pack specifics this is the current plan:
Built as 100-cell 120v 9aH blocks that would sell for $900 ea for the
first 10 customers. For a 90Ah pack, you would buy 10 blocks for
$9,000. The blocks would stack on top of each other.
The parallel connections would be solid copper bar interconnects.
Each block would be approximately 24" x 18" x 1.75" and weigh 43 lbs
Blocks will be liquid cooled/heated, the plumbing for each block will
parallel also.
A block can output a 90amps continous, and 180 amps for 10 seconds.
The expected life is 700 cycles with at least 75% capacity.
Every cell will have its temperature monitored.
Cells can be replaced by customer with at least a 10-cell granularity
if found to have poor performance identified by temperature monitoring
and reported to user.
A block can be recharged from its power connection with 160vdc from
regen or otherwise, but would not have
a cutoff from this method and be intermixed with discharge.
To recharge in full with cutoff would need a 160vdc input using
charging input connections.
The motor controller would be responsible to cut-off discharge when
voltage falls below 90v.
My current thinking is to get 10 people willing to buy a pack. The
interesting deal is that the first 10 early adopter risk takers will
get rebates on their pack purchase when the next 10,20,30,40,50 packs
are sold, $500 each 10. So if 50 packs are sold after the first 10,
you would get back $5,000 of your initial purchase price.
If you are seriously interested as a first 10 customer, please send me
a direct email, and let me know
your feedback on the above specs and pricing proposal. It will likely
be at least Feburary before they will be available for delivery,
I will likely require a 50% deposit.
Jack
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We will do a free website for serious EV info, clubs,
newsletters, build diaries, photos, whatever. It
taakes us a short time. You can see an example at
www.EV-Blue.com, EV-Battery.com, or our own.
Jay 949-497-3600
www.GoWheel.com
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--- "David Roden (Akron OH USA)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Obrien, Haskell W. wrote:
> Devc.org looks parked - too bad, their newsletter
> was pretty interesting.
> I'm a member (even though I've never lived in
> Colorado), and I still receive a
> pdf newsletter by email now and then. I think
> something happened to their
> website (maybe it was cracked?) a while back, and
> the webmaster has never
> had time to get it back online. Others more in the
> know may have more complete answers for you.
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I was at Camp Mather(Sierra camp for San Francisco Residents only)last
summer & a person with MS was using the Segway with great results. One
thing people with disabilities seem to like is to be at eye level with
others. It is an empowerment. The wheel chair which was the predesessor of
the Segway could easily lift the rider to others eye level. Lawrence
Rhodes....
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From: "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: 2 Segways spotted
>
> > Sorry I think the Segway is
> > an
> > overengineered, expensive device that is more suited to the handicapped
> > rather than able bodied people.
>
> I don't think it's even all that good for a handicapped person. Most
> folks find that standing in place for a prolonged period of time is more
> difficult than walking for the same amount of time. And it's not like you
> can shift your weight to make it more comfortable.
> Just about anyone that is capable of riding a segway, is also capable of
> walking.
>
> It's just a high priced yuppy toy.
>
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Additional note. www.EV-Battery.com is also our own,
with almost the same staff and partners.
We will also help any EVers with fixing their websites
or advice, and we do not use popups or other limits on
viewers like annoying ads or spam promos. All Free to
EVers.
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or
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--- "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We will do a free website for serious EV info,
> clubs,
> newsletters, build diaries, photos, whatever. It
> taakes us a short time. You can see an example at
> www.EV-Blue.com, EV-Battery.com, or our own.
> Jay 949-497-3600
> www.GoWheel.com
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> --- "David Roden (Akron OH USA)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> Obrien, Haskell W. wrote:
> Devc.org looks parked - too bad, their newsletter
> was pretty interesting.
> (chop)
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Bill,
Looks like a freewheeling diode to me. Should direct energy stored in the
motor away from the contactor. May still have some in the cables. Depends on
circuit layout and diode specs, but my guess is that it'd pretty much eliminate
arcing.
Jeff
Bill Dennis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Question about arcing. With a diode across the motor as shown in the
rectactor article, will there be any arcing of the contactor contacts
when the contactors are opened?
Bill Dennis
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Anybody care to read the blog entries at that website?
www.elecars.spaces.live.com<http://www.elecars.spaces.live.com/>
I authored that website and there are also pdf files that you can link to that
have the Freeway tech manuals for you to study. I posted them because Freeways
did come as electric and my dad invested in and was a Central NY dealer for
Freeway HMV
Don B. Davidson III
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From: Lee Hart<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: New website created
David Roden wrote:
> The "photo #1" has a rather interesting 3-wheeler in it, one I don't think
> I've ever seen before. It looks a little like a slightly gawky early
> version of the Corbin Sparrow. Anybody recognize it?
It's a "Freeway", an EV built in Edina MN in the early 1980's. Most were
ICEs, but some were electric.
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Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget the perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen
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Hi, can you give me more imfo on this expo or a website to get imformation
on this wash dc ev expo. Mike y
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From: "Mark E. Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 1:29 PM
Subject: EDTA Electric Vehicle Expo Nov 28-30-06
Hi,
I was curious who is going to the EDTA EV Expo in Washington DC this
week?
Thanks,
Mark
Mark E. Hanson
184 Vista lane
Fincastle, VA 24090
540-473-1248
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In a message dated 11/27/2006 7:10:50 AM Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Sorry I think the Segway is an
overengineered, expensive device that is more suited to the handicapped
rather than able bodied people. For 3k I could build a freeway capable
motorcycle.
After flopping as a embraced-by-the-public transportation device, they are
finding a very appropriate nitch as people movers for airport cops, amusement
park staff, downtown policing and so on....
Matt Parkhouse
Colorado Springs, CO
BMW m/c-Golf Cart trike - 48 volts, 30mph on the flat, 35 mile range
700 miles covered at 1.6 cents a mile!
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Geopilot wrote:
Red snapper brand riding mowers used the same kind of drive.
I rode one for years and the thing took hills like a magnatraction car.
they are bullet proof and the rubber discs are so easy to replace IF
they ever wear out.
Yes, or BEST kids built one one year, and it worked pretty well. It was
a plywood disk with a skateboard wheel on the motor shaft running
against it. They moved the entire motor in/out on the plywood disk to
shift it. Not tremendously efficient, but simplicity made up for it.
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Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget the perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Found it at http://www.davesevs.com/batteries.htm and its still good.
Thanks! There's more of my bad poetry at:
http://www.davesevs.com/evgems.htm
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Forget the perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen
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Bill Dennis wrote:
Question about arcing. With a diode across the motor as shown in the
rectactor article, will there be any arcing of the contactor contacts
when the contactors are opened?
Yes, the contactors will still arc (though not as much).
Motors have inductance. The inductance acts like a flywheel for the
current; it resists any sudden change in current.
Put a battery, a motor, and a switch in series. With the switch closed,
some current flows (determined by the load on the motor and the
circuit's resistance). When you open that switch, the motor's inductance
will produce a voltage that goes to *whatever it takes* to keep the
current the same. It often "kicks" up to hundreds of volts, and arcs
across the switch to maintain a path for this current. This is the
source of switch arcing.
If you put a diode across the motor, the inductive voltage only has to
"kick" up 1 volt or so to keep current flowing through the diode. But
the switch contact will still have the full battery voltage, plus the 1
volt across the diode across it. So the switch contact still arcs; but a
lot less than it would have without the diode.
Antique controllers, built before diodes existed, used resistors
instead. The contactor controllers had intermediate steps. For example,
24v direct, 24v with resistor in series, 48v with resistor in series,
and 48v direct. The switches or contactors went through these
intermediate steps so there was always a path for the inductive current.
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Forget the perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen
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Roderick Wilde wrote:
Lee, do you have any pictures of the BEST kids vehicle?
Yes, though they were taken with a regular film camera. I don't have a
scanner or any digital photos, though perhaps someone else in BEST does.
How did they achieve self balancing?
Their vehicle had two huge P225/70R16 SUV car tires. They were mounted
at the left-rear and a right-front corners of a roughly 2 foot square
wooden frame, with a seat in the middle. The battery was under the seat.
The two motors drove the left rear wheel with two V-belts, which used
the tire's tread grooves as their pulleys. The frame, seat, battery, and
motors were all hanging from the front and rear axles, so all the weight
was below the axles. Thus, it self-balanced. It could rock diagonally
(since there was no left-front or right-rear wheel), but it couldn't
fall over. They did put chair casters under the two corners to handle
curbs, sudden braking, or other rough terrain.
These people certainly have the money to challenge any violations of
their patents but I am quite sure they won't sue your kids unless they
try to go into production :-)
Aw, they won't sue the kids; they don't have any assets! :-)
Seriously, the kid's vehicle doesn't violate Segway's patent. Segway
patented an expensive, complex way to solve a problems. The kid's
solution is cheap, simple, and completely different. :-)
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One machine can do the work of 50 average men. No number of machines can
do the work of even one above-average man.
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Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net
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When segways were released the company anticipated municipalities would
change their rules to allow them on the sidewalks. It didn't happen.
(As if all those lobbists are really going to let such an earth
shattering competition to cars really happen as well as the pedestrian
liability.)
On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 6:47 am, Bob Rice wrote:
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From: "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: 2 Segways spotted
If the Segways are legislate off the sidewalks and you cannot run on
the
streets, where can you run them? If a store is license by the state
to
sell
them, then they are legal to run some where.
Now if you put on two small dolly wheels on the rear, so that don't
touch
the ground which is use for safety if you lose power and get that one
model
that a person can set back, then you have something like a wheelchair.
Roland
Hi EVerybody;
Well, Segways are a anolomy, as far as vehicles go? I would guess a
Cop
would sorta ignore you, hope you go away?Unless you were being a pain
in the
ass with it?As for being practical? Hell no. As somebody pointed out
they
are TOO expensive, and if it runs out of juice, what? Lies
down?Whatthehell?
Who wants to stand up, anyhow? When you get on a bus or train, ya want
to
sit down? Right? The FAA Mandates , no standees on planes, or the
airlines
would stuff 'em in like the cross- town bus. EVen Amtrak has tried to
limit
ticket sales to the capacity of the train.But given your druthers, ya
wanna
sit down!So put the wheels in line, like bikes have had for thousands
of
years, a comfortable seat, and be on yur way.
My two wheels worth
Bob
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From: "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: 2 Segways spotted
> Rod, they were probably on the trail because a lot of money was
spent
> lobbying state governments nationwide to make a law specifically
just
for
> one brand of vehicle. Kind of like making a law that you can only
drive
> Fords on the highway. I know this sounds utterly ridiculous but it
is
> absolutely true. Here is the law from here in Washington State, RCW
> 46.04.1695
>
> An "electric personal assistive mobility device" (EPAMD) means a
> self-balancing device with two wheels not in tandem, designed to
transport
> only one person by an electric propulsion system with an average
power
of
> seven hundred fifty watts (one horsepower) having a maximum speed
on a
> paved
> level surface, when powered solely by such propulsion while ridden
by an
> operator weighing one hundred seventy pounds, or less than twenty
miles
> per
> hour.
>
> These are allowed on sidewalks and bike paths in many states
although
they
> have been starting to legislate them off sidewalks. I have a great
new
> idea.
> How about a self balancing device balanced by yourself with two
wheels,
> one
> in front of the other. It would take up much less width on a trail
:-)
>
> Roderick Wilde
>
> PS: I really like the term in the law about average power. How much
more
> vague could they be?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rod Hower" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 6:20 PM
> Subject: 2 Segways spotted
>
>
> >I went on a 20 mile bike ride today on a scenic route
> > that is a bike path that parallels the Ohio canal boat
> > route that was the main transport route for goods
> > during the 1800's. I passed 2 physically able guys
> > riding Segways down the path. It was cool seeing the
> > EV's, but I wondered why they were riding on this
> > pedestrian/bike path. EV's are nice transport, but I
> > wonder why they were riding on a bike path? Perhaps 2
> > guys with a really cool toy.
> > Rod
> > W8RNH
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Is anyone else in LA going to this?
http://www.altcarexpo.com/
- Tony
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A big deal. Lots of our friends too.
Some of the exhibitors:
AC Propulsion
AFV Fleet Service
Altair Nanotechnologies
American Honda Motor Company
Arbor Skateboards
Austin Energy
BAF Technologies
Big Blue Bus
Boshart Engineering
Breathe California
California Cars Initiative
California Air Resources Board
California Ethanol Vehicle Coalition
Carless In LA
C.I.C.L.E.
Clean Cities
Clean Energy
Coalition For Clean Air
Crossbow
EcoLimo
Electric Cyclery
Environment Now
E-ride Industries
E85- Now
Euro Taxi
EV-Battery.com
Fehr and Peers
Free Drive EV, Inc
GEM
General Motors
Global Green
GoWheel.Com
Green Depot
Ken Porter Auctions
LA Bike Coalition
Left Coast Conversions
Livingreen
L/E Autoworks
Louroe Electronics
Magna Power Train
Miles Automotive Group
National Biodiesel Board
No Gas Required
Petersen Automotive Musuem
Pasadena Art Center
Phoenix Motorcars Inc.
Plug In America
Quantum Technologies
Rio Hondo College
Segway
Skeuter
Society of Automotive Engineers
Solar Electrical Systems
Southern California Gas
Southern California Transit Advocates
Standard BioDiesel, Inc.
Stellar Energy Solutions
Sustainable Transport Club
Sustainable Works
Tellurian BioDiesel Inc.
The Green Media Group
Union of Concerned Scientists
Universal Electric Vehicles Corp
Veracity Productions
Zenn Motor Company
Jay 949-497-3600
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--- Tony Hwang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is anyone else in LA going to this?
> http://www.altcarexpo.com/
> - Tony
>
>
>
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Did anybody else here about an electric vehicle that Paul Harvey talked about
today in his broad cast from Nissan???
Tom
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On Nov 26, 2006, at 3:32 PM, Steve Condie wrote:
More knowledgible people than me will probably correct me on this, but
I think if you took a common 115 volt to ~16 volt transformer and
wired it up to buck the 230 voltage you should end up with 208.
There's a risk of saturating the transformer by using it at the higher
voltage, but I **think** if you used one well below its rated capacity
you'd be okay. There's usually a variety available on Ebay for about
$30 delivered rated for 20+ amps and weighing about 10 pounds.
No, simply applying 240vac to the 120vac primary will saturate the
transformer. So the primary amps will be quite high and the transformer
will be hurt (and hot.)
If the 240vac supply includes a neutral then a 120vac transformer could
be used between one hot and the neutral (so it sees 120 volts) and buck
that down by 16 volts. That would be 104vac between the transformer
output and neutral and 224vac between the transformer output and the
other hot.
Note: DO NOT use the ground wire as a neutral to do this. That would be
dangerous and nothing on that branch would be truly grounded!
Paul "neon" G.
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yes going from san diego
--- Tony Hwang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is anyone else in LA going to this?
>
> http://www.altcarexpo.com/
>
> - Tony
>
>
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Tom Carpenter wrote:
Did anybody else here about an electric vehicle that Paul Harvey talked about
today in his broad cast from Nissan???
Tom
There has been a news release carried by the major news outlets over the
past couple of days, here's an example:
http://orange.advfn.com/news_Nissan-to-launch-electric-cars-in-three-years-report_17825690.html
Unfortunately they don't give any real information, but we've heard some
news in recent months about some Nissan efforts.
I'll wait to see when they make a more concrete announcement (like a car
with specs available at my local dealer).
--
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There are a couple models they could release. I'll bet it's the larger one
that'll show up here. Apparently these are already in production... and are
apparently already available to rent???
http://www.altfuels.org/events/testdriv/altra.html
http://www.herelectricvehicle.com/nissan.html
http://www.nissan-global.com/EN/TECHNOLOGY/INTRODUCTION/XTRAILFCV/index.html
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From: "Paul Wujek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: Nissan Electric Vehicle
> Tom Carpenter wrote:
> > Did anybody else here about an electric vehicle that Paul Harvey talked
about today in his broad cast from Nissan???
> >
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >
> >
> There has been a news release carried by the major news outlets over the
> past couple of days, here's an example:
>
>
http://orange.advfn.com/news_Nissan-to-launch-electric-cars-in-three-years-report_17825690.html
>
> Unfortunately they don't give any real information, but we've heard some
> news in recent months about some Nissan efforts.
>
> I'll wait to see when they make a more concrete announcement (like a car
> with specs available at my local dealer).
>
> --
> Paul Wujek ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
>
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Here are a couple of good ideas for Segway use: meter maid and a postal
carrier (someone who actual still carries the mail).
Curtis
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Peter VanDerWal
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 10:25 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: 2 Segways spotted
> Sorry I think the Segway is
> an
> overengineered, expensive device that is more suited to the handicapped
> rather than able bodied people.
I don't think it's even all that good for a handicapped person. Most
folks find that standing in place for a prolonged period of time is more
difficult than walking for the same amount of time. And it's not like you
can shift your weight to make it more comfortable.
Just about anyone that is capable of riding a segway, is also capable of
walking.
It's just a high priced yuppy toy.
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Yep... and meter readers. They were apparently purchased for all 3 of those
uses. Apparently didn't hold up well under daily use.
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From: "Curtis Muhlestein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 7:19 PM
Subject: RE: 2 Segways spotted
> Here are a couple of good ideas for Segway use: meter maid and a postal
> carrier (someone who actual still carries the mail).
>
> Curtis
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I was in Chicago last week and saw some sort of uniformed policeman
driving one down a crowded sidewalk. Could have been parking
enforcement, I don't know.
Danny
Curtis Muhlestein wrote:
Here are a couple of good ideas for Segway use: meter maid and a postal
carrier (someone who actual still carries the mail).
Curtis
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Peter VanDerWal
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 10:25 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: 2 Segways spotted
Sorry I think the Segway is
an
overengineered, expensive device that is more suited to the handicapped
rather than able bodied people.
I don't think it's even all that good for a handicapped person. Most
folks find that standing in place for a prolonged period of time is more
difficult than walking for the same amount of time. And it's not like you
can shift your weight to make it more comfortable.
Just about anyone that is capable of riding a segway, is also capable of
walking.
It's just a high priced yuppy toy.
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I was in Philly this past summer to a convention, where there were several
girls riding around on Segways advertising for the convention.
Curtis
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Danny Miller
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 8:37 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: 2 Segways spotted
I was in Chicago last week and saw some sort of uniformed policeman
driving one down a crowded sidewalk. Could have been parking
enforcement, I don't know.
Danny
Curtis Muhlestein wrote:
>Here are a couple of good ideas for Segway use: meter maid and a postal
>carrier (someone who actual still carries the mail).
>
>Curtis
>
>
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>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>Behalf Of Peter VanDerWal
>Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 10:25 AM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: 2 Segways spotted
>
>
>
>
>> Sorry I think the Segway is
>>an
>>overengineered, expensive device that is more suited to the handicapped
>>rather than able bodied people.
>>
>>
>
>I don't think it's even all that good for a handicapped person. Most
>folks find that standing in place for a prolonged period of time is more
>difficult than walking for the same amount of time. And it's not like you
>can shift your weight to make it more comfortable.
>Just about anyone that is capable of riding a segway, is also capable of
>walking.
>
>It's just a high priced yuppy toy.
>
>
>
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In a message dated 11/27/2006 9:22:03 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Here are a couple of good ideas for Segway use: meter maid and a postal
carrier (someone who actual still carries the mail).
Curtis
Their doing great business in Downtown Chicago. They travel in packs of 6 to
as many as 16. Chicago segway tours are a pretty good fit because of the
layout of the lakefront recreation area. You can go from McCormick place to
Navy
pier and barely cover 3.5 miles. In between you have Burnam Harbor, Soldier
Field, Northerly Island, Shedd Aquarium, Adler Planetarium, The Field Museum,
Grant Park, Millennium Park, Pertrillo Bandshell the Art Institute, Monroe
Harbor and go over the Chicago River on one of the lift bridges near the
locks. Sure I missed a few but you get the idea. All thanks to Mayors Daley
the
Chicago park district and the Burnam city plan which keeps the lakefront free
from private development. With the amount of concrete in this area there is
usually no problem accommodating bikers walkers and Segways.
I know I sound like a travel bureau shill so what is my point. Aside
from the use of Segways for recreational tours over distances which can easily
be covered by bicycle (personal favorite). Only several miles North of there
so it get too tight to entertain all this traffic. Chicago is only 20 miles
from North end to South end and only 6 miles from East to West (the suburbs
are a different story). It would seem that this city is a natural for electric
vehicles, especially something like the Tango (parking pressure). Aside from
the FVEAA support for electric vehicles is only now gaining slight momentum.
I guess I'm hoping that despite the impracticality of Segways they may bring
to mind the street use of more practical electric vehicles.
Incidentally if your wondering about the legality of using your Segway,
I have stumbled on this site.
_Segway | U.S. State Laws Regulating the Segway HT_
(http://www.segway.com/general/regulatory.html)
Rick Miller
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These are being offered by the USPS. Perhaps they bought more than they
needed - or maybe they didn't work so well for mail delivery after all.
David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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Chris,
It is easy to find 240V to 110V (and vice versa)
travel transformers like this 1500 VA:
http://cgi.ebay.com/_W0QQitemZ270058000348
or this 2000 VA:
http://cgi.ebay.com/_W0QQitemZ300050684058 or
http://cgi.ebay.com/_W0QQitemZ150060913051
They are commonly found at Fry's and other HW stores.
But make sure it is indeed isolating, not an
auto-transformer with only 1 winding.
(where 110V and 240V share the lower half of the winding
as in a variac)
Although you can cut the two halves and arrive at a
120V to 120V transformer again, so you would be able
to use two in series at input and output, but the isolation
is not very well guaranteed, so this is not a good solution.
The commercial isolatoin transformers are expensive though:
http://cgi.ebay.com/_W0QQitemZ150060913051 $250+ for 1000VA
If you take 2 of these, parallel the 240V side and
put the two 120V outputs in series then you have isolated
240 in and out.
Now you only need a 240V to 32V transformer to subtract the
32V from 240V to get 208V.
This second transformer only sees 15% of the load, so it can
be a 32V x 15A = 480 VA type iso 3 kVA.
If you don't require isolation then this transformer is all
you want and you need to connect it as indicated in the
files section of the US Electricar yahoo group ;-)
If you can find a 277V to 240V transformer, that should work
to make approx 208 from 240 in 1 step, you will need a 3kVA
transformer for that.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Chris Zach
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 7:54 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Need isolation transformer
I would somewhat prefer an isolation transformer, however a buck type
would work as well for now. Does anyone know where a 240/208 buck could
be found?
Chris
Steven Ciciora wrote:
> Does it have to be an isolation transformer? A
> non-isolated bucking transformer would be much smaller
> (read: cheaper).
>
> - Steven Ciciora
>
> --- Chris Zach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> A question: I need an isolation transformer. 3kw
>> capacity, 240 volts to
>> 208 volts. This is for safety and to step down 240
>> volts a bit for
>> faster charging.
>>
>> Anyone know where might I find one of these? Are
>> they items that can be
>> found in a local electrician's shop?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Chris
>>
>>
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A friend of mine called yesterday with some controller issues on his recently
purchased 1974 EVA Metro. His model has a GE motor 5bt2366c11 with a manual
transmission. I did some searching, and found others with a different motor
(Baldor) and even an automatic trans. Anyway, he doesn't have the Baldor
motor. Maybe someone chenged his out.
He says it is a shunt motor, which I found surprising.
I haven't been out there yet, but I want to get some info so I can help him
out.
He only paid something like $2k for the car, so I think a $1500 controller
isn't in his budget.
I still have a couple of EV-1's and some contactors, so I was thinking about
rigging something up for him. Maybe:
1. Full armature with field going between full and 1/2.
2. Armature 0 - full, with 3 stage field (contactor controller on the field).
Something like I did on the ETV-1.
3. To PWM controllers. One on the armature 0 - full, full - 1/2 on the field.
4. Maybe just put the field in parallel with the armature and let it go at
that. Or, a variable resistor in there on the field like e-volks did early on.
Not knowing the resistance values of that motor, I'm not sure what it the
best (cost effective) solution. Below is the data on the motor. It is
currently running 96 V. I'm concerned about getting him some decent
acceleration performance and top speed in the 65 MPH range.
If someone has a used (still working) Sep EX controller they want to sell,
that may be the best solution for him. Personally, I never liked SepEx, but it
is what it is, and I want to help get him back on the road.
The model # is 5bt2366c11. It is rated at 32 HP, 175 amp, 165V, 5925
rpm.
It other info like No witch I think stands for number and then
HS8-190-ct.
It aslso has ENCL BV, Duty 1 Hour-140 c%. iI was trying to make the
decrees
symbol. Thanks for any help you can give.
Thanks,
Steve
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On 11/26/06, Arthur W. Matteson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
For your application, assuming you have an imperfect power factor and
need 4kVA, you need to subtract 32VRMS at almost 20ARMS. This is a
transformer rating of just over 600kVA, which isn't tiny but liftable.
With a crane? I think you meant 640VA.
Four of Digi-Key's paralleled 237-1282-ND for a total of $163.16 ($40.79
each) would do the job well.
Might be a cheaper to use a single toroid transformer like this?
http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/endecaSearch/partDetail.jsp?sku=9532625
They are easy to fan cool, which allows you to undersize them a bit.
The secondary is wrapped on the outside so it's easy to trim the
voltage by unwinding (or adding) a few turns as necessary.
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