EV Digest 6176
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Electric Drive Conference NOV 28-30
by "Mark E. Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Nissan to Sell Electric Cars
by "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: A ffriend of mine needs help with his controller for motor 5bt2366c11
in 1974 EVA Metro
by "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: EDTA Electric Vehicle Expo Nov 28-30-06
by Chip Gribben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Test... This is just a test...
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
6) Re: Test... This is just a test...
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
7) Re: 2 Segways spotted - 38 up for auction
by Kenneth Dove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: A ffriend of mine needs help with his controller for motor
5bt2366c11 in 1974 EVA Metro
by "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) EVDL format (was: A friend of mine needs help with his controller ...)
by "David Roden (Akron OH USA)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: 2 Segways spotted
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: 2 Segways spotted
by "John G. Lussmyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: 2 Segways spotted
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) RE: 2 Segways spotted
by "Myles Twete" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) RE: Need isolation transformer
by Cor van de Water <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) RE: A ffriend of mine needs help with his controller for motor 5b
t2366c11 in 1974 EVA Metro
by Cor van de Water <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) RE: 2 Segways spotted
by "Barry Oppenheim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: A ffriend of mine needs help with his controller for motor 5bt2366c11
in 1974 EVA Metro
by "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: 2 Segways spotted - 38 up for auction
by "Michael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Ed Begley, Jr. phoenixmotorcars
by Jeff Major <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Suppressors for EV radios
by nikki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: EDTA Electric Vehicle Expo Nov 28-30-06
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
22) EVs on Fox TV today
by Chip Gribben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: Suppressors for EV radios
by James Massey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: 2 Segways spotted
by GWMobile <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) RE: Ed Begley, Jr. phoenixmotorcars
by "Curtis Muhlestein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) Re: EVs on Fox DC News
by Chip Gribben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
27) OT: Hey Plasma Boy!
by "Paul G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
28) Re: Ed Begley, Jr. phoenixmotorcars
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
29) Re: Suppressors for EV radios
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
30) article: Electric shock: Think revived
by Paul Wujek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
31) Re: Ed Begley, Jr. phoenixmotorcars
by "Peter Gabrielsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
32) Re: Suppressors for EV radios
by James Massey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
33) Input on diagram please
by John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
34) Re: Input on diagram please
by Tony Hwang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
35) Re: EVs on Fox TV today
by Geopilot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
36) Re: article: Electric shock: Think revived
by Geopilot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
37) Re: Input on diagram please
by "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Hi,
It's www.electricdrive.org and click on the conference on the right.
Mark
From: "mike young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: EDTA Electric Vehicle Expo Nov 28-30-06 Date: Mon, 27 Nov
2006 13:53:35 -0500 Plain Text Attachment [ Scan and Save to Computer | Save
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Hi, can you give me more imfo on this expo or a website to get imformation
on this wash dc ev expo. Mike y ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark
E. Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday,
November 27, 2006 1:29 PM Subject: EDTA Electric Vehicle Expo Nov 28-30-06
> Hi, > > I was curious who is going to the EDTA EV Expo in Washington DC
this > week? > > Thanks, > Mark > > Mark E. Hanson > 184 Vista lane
> Fincastle, VA 24090 > 540-473-1248 > >
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Here is a link to the article:
http://money.cnn.com/2006/11/26/news/international/nissan_electric.reut/index.htm
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Hello Steve,
Better check out the motor to see if is a shunt or series.
The motor I have in my EV is connected in series, is a:
GE 165 volt at 175 Amp - 32 HP
Encl. - BV - 5925 RPM
No GL-42-33
Model 5912366C5
Has commentator poles and wire in series with the armature circuit and
connects to two motor terminals, mark A1 and A2.
The field poles are wire in series which also go to another set of motor
terminals, mark S1 and S2.
If it is a series and has no reversing contactors, then there should be a
motor jumper going from one of the S terminals to the A terminals.
If it has a reversing contactor or all four leads end up in the controller,
then it will take some tracing to see what it is.
Roland
11.5 inch in diameter
1-3/8 inch output shaft
1-1/8 inch input shaft
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From: "Steve Powers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 4:33 AM
Subject: A ffriend of mine needs help with his controller for motor
5bt2366c11 in 1974 EVA Metro
> A friend of mine called yesterday with some controller issues on his
> recently purchased 1974 EVA Metro. His model has a GE motor 5bt2366c11
> with a manual transmission. I did some searching, and found others with a
> different motor (Baldor) and even an automatic trans. Anyway, he doesn't
> have the Baldor motor. Maybe someone chenged his out.
>
> He says it is a shunt motor, which I found surprising.
>
> I haven't been out there yet, but I want to get some info so I can help
> him out.
>
> He only paid something like $2k for the car, so I think a $1500
> controller isn't in his budget.
>
> I still have a couple of EV-1's and some contactors, so I was thinking
> about rigging something up for him. Maybe:
>
> 1. Full armature with field going between full and 1/2.
> 2. Armature 0 - full, with 3 stage field (contactor controller on the
> field). Something like I did on the ETV-1.
> 3. To PWM controllers. One on the armature 0 - full, full - 1/2 on the
> field.
> 4. Maybe just put the field in parallel with the armature and let it go
> at that. Or, a variable resistor in there on the field like e-volks did
> early on.
>
> Not knowing the resistance values of that motor, I'm not sure what it
> the best (cost effective) solution. Below is the data on the motor. It
> is currently running 96 V. I'm concerned about getting him some decent
> acceleration performance and top speed in the 65 MPH range.
>
> If someone has a used (still working) Sep EX controller they want to
> sell, that may be the best solution for him. Personally, I never liked
> SepEx, but it is what it is, and I want to help get him back on the road.
>
> The model # is 5bt2366c11. It is rated at 32 HP, 175 amp, 165V, 5925
> rpm.
> It other info like No witch I think stands for number and then
> HS8-190-ct.
> It aslso has ENCL BV, Duty 1 Hour-140 c%. iI was trying to make the
> decrees
> symbol. Thanks for any help you can give.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve
>
>
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Hey Mark,
There are about six folks from EVA/DC going to help out with the Ride
and Drive and other things the EDTA EV organizers need assistance with.
The Ride and Drive is this morning.
Chelsea Sexton arrived. Tesla will be there.
I can relay more info from Joe Lado who is there now. He'll be
updating us on what's happening.
Fox was there this morning filming the cars for the Ride and Drive.
Chip Gribben
Electric Vehicle Association of Washington DC
http://www.evadc.org
On Nov 28, 2006, at 6:39 AM, Electric Vehicle Discussion List wrote:
From: "Mark E. Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: November 27, 2006 1:29:57 PM EST
To: [email protected]
Subject: EDTA Electric Vehicle Expo Nov 28-30-06
Hi,
I was curious who is going to the EDTA EV Expo in Washington DC
this week?
Thanks,
Mark
Mark E. Hanson
184 Vista lane
Fincastle, VA 24090
540-473-1248
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If I was a letter carrier in good health, I do believe I would cherish
the exercise of walking and eschew the free ride.
David Roden wrote:
These are being offered by the USPS. Perhaps they bought more than they
needed - or maybe they didn't work so well for mail delivery after all.
David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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> It aslso has ENCL BV, Duty 1 Hour-140 c%. iI was trying to make the
> decrees
> symbol.
NOt sure about the motor controller issue, but you can (usually) make a
degree symbol on a PC by holding down the [Alt] key and then typing 248 on
the numeric keypad, then release the [Alt] key. Results look like this:
Duty 1 Hour-140°
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On 28 Nov 2006 at 9:26, Peter VanDerWal wrote:
> you can (usually) make a
> degree symbol on a PC by holding down the [Alt] key and then typing ...
Please don't do this. It relies on the PC character set, but EVDL subscribers
use many different computers and operating systems. Machines other than
Wintel types may or may not display the degree symbol.
A portable way to write a temperature fairly compactly would be
140 deg C
Thanks.
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> (As if all those lobbists are really going to let such an earth
> shattering competition to cars really happen as well as the pedestrian
> liability.)
I'm still not convinced that the Segway has any real value as an earth
shattering device.As a matter of fact I bet I could run faster than a Segway
Lobbists haven't stopped electric scooters in very many places. . Scooters
electric or gas are the real competition to cars. There are a few very
specific uses for the Segway and transportation for the masses isn't one of
them. It's still amazing engineering but it's kinda like using a sledge
hammer to crack a peanut. I'll use my fingers thank you very much.
Lawrence Rhodes...
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At 10:05 AM 11/28/2006, Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
I'm still not convinced that the Segway has any real value as an earth
shattering device.As a matter of fact I bet I could run faster than a Segway
Yeah, but not as far.
One of the places that I would REALLY like a Segway is when I am
doing City tourist stuff. Both in LasVegas and in Munich Germany, it
would have saved me a LOT of pain (in my feet) if I could have used a Segway.
--
John G. Lussmyer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dragons soar and Tigers prowl while I dream....
http://www.CasaDelGato.com
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> Here are a couple of good ideas for Segway use: meter maid and a postal
> carrier (someone who actual still carries the mail).
>
> Curtis
I talked to my postal carrier and they have banned any wheeled devices for
letter carriers. Just the big heavy strapped bag. That's it. But they get
to drive their truck up to the route & deliver packages with the truck.
Lawrence Rhodes.......
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I'd like to see Segway roller derby...
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Toroidal transformers are my favorites as well.
I can easily find 1000VA types, but a 3000 or 4000VA
single transformer is hard to find.
Type H1000-79 at this Ebay auction is a 1000VA
isolation transformer 230V primary 2x 110V secondary:
(Note - this is from a tube-amplifier audio supplier,
so there may be better deals than his)
http://cgi.ebay.com/_W0QQitemZ260018836861
Cor van de Water
Systems Architect
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Evan Tuer
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 1:57 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Need isolation transformer
On 11/26/06, Arthur W. Matteson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> For your application, assuming you have an imperfect power factor and
> need 4kVA, you need to subtract 32VRMS at almost 20ARMS. This is a
> transformer rating of just over 600kVA, which isn't tiny but liftable.
With a crane? I think you meant 640VA.
> Four of Digi-Key's paralleled 237-1282-ND for a total of $163.16 ($40.79
> each) would do the job well.
Might be a cheaper to use a single toroid transformer like this?
http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/endecaSearch/partDetail.jsp?sku=9532625
They are easy to fan cool, which allows you to undersize them a bit.
The secondary is wrapped on the outside so it's easy to trim the
voltage by unwinding (or adding) a few turns as necessary.
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Steve,
What are his controller issues?
Separate from that issue, if the motor is rated at 165V
and he is running at 96V then he will never get the rated
power, so yes - he will not likely be able to do 65 MPH
as he will not get anywhere near the rated 32 hp.
More likely his max is around 15 hp at his under-voltage.
Unless you read the voltage wrong, there is no way to
get this car up to speed than to increase the voltage
of the pack to above 165V.
You can also put a correct motor in.
Success,
Cor van de Water
Systems Architect
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Steve Powers
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 3:34 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: A ffriend of mine needs help with his controller for motor
5bt2366c11 in 1974 EVA Metro
A friend of mine called yesterday with some controller issues on his
recently purchased 1974 EVA Metro. His model has a GE motor 5bt2366c11 with
a manual transmission. I did some searching, and found others with a
different motor (Baldor) and even an automatic trans. Anyway, he doesn't
have the Baldor motor. Maybe someone chenged his out.
He says it is a shunt motor, which I found surprising.
I haven't been out there yet, but I want to get some info so I can help
him out.
He only paid something like $2k for the car, so I think a $1500 controller
isn't in his budget.
I still have a couple of EV-1's and some contactors, so I was thinking
about rigging something up for him. Maybe:
1. Full armature with field going between full and 1/2.
2. Armature 0 - full, with 3 stage field (contactor controller on the
field). Something like I did on the ETV-1.
3. To PWM controllers. One on the armature 0 - full, full - 1/2 on the
field.
4. Maybe just put the field in parallel with the armature and let it go at
that. Or, a variable resistor in there on the field like e-volks did early
on.
Not knowing the resistance values of that motor, I'm not sure what it the
best (cost effective) solution. Below is the data on the motor. It is
currently running 96 V. I'm concerned about getting him some decent
acceleration performance and top speed in the 65 MPH range.
If someone has a used (still working) Sep EX controller they want to sell,
that may be the best solution for him. Personally, I never liked SepEx, but
it is what it is, and I want to help get him back on the road.
The model # is 5bt2366c11. It is rated at 32 HP, 175 amp, 165V, 5925
rpm.
It other info like No witch I think stands for number and then
HS8-190-ct.
It aslso has ENCL BV, Duty 1 Hour-140 c%. iI was trying to make the
decrees
symbol. Thanks for any help you can give.
Thanks,
Steve
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Toledo Spain. Old, walled, and steep narrow streets. Tough walking even if
you are in good shape.
Noted a few Segway tours being given. Seemed very odd among the 400 year
old buildings.
Barry
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Hello Steve,
For this GE motor rated at 165 volts, a 180 volt battery packs works best.
The minimum voltage of a 180 volt pack is at 165 volts, so you will still
have plenty of power. The maximum motor ampere should be about 175 amps or
180 to 200 amps continuous with optional external fan blowers that bolts
directly on the brush cover.
At 180 amps with the voltage lag to 170 volts, I can move a 8000 lb EV with
a 300 ah pack at 60 mph.
Roland
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From: "Cor van de Water" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 11:59 AM
Subject: RE: A ffriend of mine needs help with his controller for motor
5bt2366c11 in 1974 EVA Metro
> Steve,
>
> What are his controller issues?
>
> Separate from that issue, if the motor is rated at 165V
> and he is running at 96V then he will never get the rated
> power, so yes - he will not likely be able to do 65 MPH
> as he will not get anywhere near the rated 32 hp.
> More likely his max is around 15 hp at his under-voltage.
> Unless you read the voltage wrong, there is no way to
> get this car up to speed than to increase the voltage
> of the pack to above 165V.
> You can also put a correct motor in.
>
> Success,
>
> Cor van de Water
> Systems Architect
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Private: http://www.cvandewater.com
> Skype: cor_van_de_water IM: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Tel: +1 408 542 5225 VoIP: +31 20 3987567 FWD# 25925
> Fax: +1 408 731 3675 eFAX: +31-87-784-1130
> Proxim Wireless Networks eFAX: +1-610-423-5743
> Take your network further http://www.proxim.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Steve Powers
> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 3:34 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: A ffriend of mine needs help with his controller for motor
> 5bt2366c11 in 1974 EVA Metro
>
>
> A friend of mine called yesterday with some controller issues on his
> recently purchased 1974 EVA Metro. His model has a GE motor 5bt2366c11
> with
> a manual transmission. I did some searching, and found others with a
> different motor (Baldor) and even an automatic trans. Anyway, he doesn't
> have the Baldor motor. Maybe someone chenged his out.
>
> He says it is a shunt motor, which I found surprising.
>
> I haven't been out there yet, but I want to get some info so I can help
> him out.
>
> He only paid something like $2k for the car, so I think a $1500
> controller
> isn't in his budget.
>
> I still have a couple of EV-1's and some contactors, so I was thinking
> about rigging something up for him. Maybe:
>
> 1. Full armature with field going between full and 1/2.
> 2. Armature 0 - full, with 3 stage field (contactor controller on the
> field). Something like I did on the ETV-1.
> 3. To PWM controllers. One on the armature 0 - full, full - 1/2 on the
> field.
> 4. Maybe just put the field in parallel with the armature and let it go
> at
> that. Or, a variable resistor in there on the field like e-volks did
> early
> on.
>
> Not knowing the resistance values of that motor, I'm not sure what it
> the
> best (cost effective) solution. Below is the data on the motor. It is
> currently running 96 V. I'm concerned about getting him some decent
> acceleration performance and top speed in the 65 MPH range.
>
> If someone has a used (still working) Sep EX controller they want to
> sell,
> that may be the best solution for him. Personally, I never liked SepEx,
> but
> it is what it is, and I want to help get him back on the road.
>
> The model # is 5bt2366c11. It is rated at 32 HP, 175 amp, 165V, 5925
> rpm.
> It other info like No witch I think stands for number and then
> HS8-190-ct.
> It aslso has ENCL BV, Duty 1 Hour-140 c%. iI was trying to make the
> decrees
> symbol. Thanks for any help you can give.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve
>
>
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> Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.
>
>
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Per a friend, they weren't convenient for some mail routes... were used
for a short while then the carrier preferred to walk. (I think it may have
been dropping them off at the starting point of the route that was
inconvenient???)
> These are being offered by the USPS. Perhaps they bought more than they
> needed - or maybe they didn't work so well for mail delivery after all.
>
> David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
> EV List Assistant Administrator
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Interesting video.
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Hi there everyone,
I'm getting on fabulously with the CityEl. In the last three weeks
we've had it it has clocked up a whopping 200 miles - and it only did
712 miles in it's first 8 years!
After a small problem with the throttle switch (a common problem on
all CityEls) It's been running fine and I've put a radio in it to
play my MP3s on. Just to go the whole hog I also will probably put a
radio ariel in so I can listen to that. However, after a few initial
tests the noise from the electrical system is so bad I wouldn't be
able to hear the station. There seems to be noise coming from both
the 12v DC DC converter and the motor. It's a standard CityEl from
'98 with a Curtis 1204EX (I think) and a Thirge Motor.
I know how to suppress electrical noise on a regular ICE car - but
how does one do it on an EV?
Regards
Nikki.
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Where is this expo at? I live in calabasas and would like to go.
Larry Cronk 72Electk
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Hi everyone,
Here's the link to the EV story Fox is showcasing at the Electric
Drive Transportation Association Conference in Washington DC.
They were also able to include my interview in there too.
http://www.myfoxdc.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?
contentId=1619829&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1
Also at 5:33 pm EST, Fox will run an abbreviated segment of the EV
story they ran this morning. At least the Fox station in DC. It may
be bumped though if something newsworthy comes up, but from what the
producer said they plan to run it.
What's also cool is Fox listed on the web page the links for the
Electric Vehicle Association of Washington DC (EVA/DC) and NEDRA.
I haven't actually seen the story this morning but from what the
neighbors and the UPS man just told me it turned out great.
See ya!
Chip Gribben
Electric Vehicle Association of Washington DC
http://www.evadc.org
National Electric Drag Racing Association
http://www.nedra.com
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At 08:26 PM 28/11/06 +0000, Nikki wrote:
Hi there everyone,
I'm getting on fabulously with the CityEl. In the last three weeks
we've had it it has clocked up a whopping 200 miles - and it only did
712 miles in it's first 8 years!
After a small problem with the throttle switch (a common problem on
all CityEls) It's been running fine and I've put a radio in it to
play my MP3s on. Just to go the whole hog I also will probably put a
radio ariel in so I can listen to that. However, after a few initial
tests the noise from the electrical system is so bad I wouldn't be
able to hear the station. There seems to be noise coming from both
the 12v DC DC converter and the motor. It's a standard CityEl from
'98 with a Curtis 1204EX (I think) and a Thirge Motor.
I know how to suppress electrical noise on a regular ICE car - but
how does one do it on an EV?
G'day Nikki, and All
Unfortunately electrical suppression is something that has to be designed
in - the primary culprits being the traction cables. As the controller
switches its pulses to create that smooth average power, there is a lot of
quick electrical changes going on. Each fast change produces a click that
radiates up the radio spectrum. If the cable pairs are laid together with a
slow twist around each other the clicks cancel some (since in the other of
a pair the current is going in the opposite direction).
Apart from that, you are looking at screening the cables, and everything
else that is attached to the battery pack. So have a look and see if the
cables are just 'all anyhow' or if they are neat and tidy. If neet and tidy
there may be some hope, but VHF radio (FM) will work a lot better than SW
(AM) due to the clicks not being as strong way up the spectrum.
Hope his helps
Regards
[Technik] James
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They already have segway polo and segway jousting.
On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 11:00 am, Myles Twete wrote:
I'd like to see Segway roller derby...
www.GlobalBoiling.com for daily images about hurricanes, globalwarming
and the melting poles.
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So who makes Nano Safe batteries? How much are they? How many life cycles?
Curtis
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Behalf Of Jeff Major
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 1:31 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Ed Begley, Jr. phoenixmotorcars
Interesting video.
http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=c860df3ccf66c83fb61bb2ffd934330b.12496
09&fr=yvmtf
jeff
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Hi all,
An easier way to get to the Fox News story about the EV Conference in DC
Go to:
http://www.myfoxdc.com/
Select "Futuristic Rides" from the ALERT scrolling news banner.
Chip Gribben
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Hi John,
Please e-mail me off list.
Paul "neon" G.
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In a message dated 11/28/2006 7:27:32 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So who makes Nano Safe batteries? How much are they? How many life cycles?
Curtis
They are made by Altairnano.
http://www.altairnano.com/http://www.altairnano.com/
Check out the News tab. There is a PDF news release that rates the batteries
at 15,000 deep cycles. Yes, 15,000. Not a typo... As stated in the report.
I did not find a price.
Phoenix Motor Cars website is:
http://66.218.37.153/cars.htm
Ken
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James,
You meant to say it is better because of *type* of modulation
(FM), not because the FM radio stations carrier frequency just
happen to be way higher, right?
At 100 MHz but AM mod the noise from the radio would be almost
as horrible as at 1600 kHz.
Victor
James Massey wrote:
...
If neet and
tidy there may be some hope, but VHF radio (FM) will work a lot better
than SW (AM) due to the clicks not being as strong way up the spectrum.
Hope his helps
Regards
[Technik] James
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Think is apparently coming back to life:
http://www.channel4.com/4car/news/news-story.jsp?news_id=15517
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Paul Wujek ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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Altair Nano.
They claim 15000 cycles and 20 to 40 years lifespan, it still remains
to be verified by independent labs.
I don't know about price bus since Phoenix is planning on selling
their cars for 45k it is probably ~20k for an automotive pack.
On 11/28/06, Curtis Muhlestein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
So who makes Nano Safe batteries? How much are they? How many life cycles?
Curtis
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jeff Major
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 1:31 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Ed Begley, Jr. phoenixmotorcars
Interesting video.
http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=c860df3ccf66c83fb61bb2ffd934330b.12496
09&fr=yvmtf
jeff
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At 06:54 PM 28/11/06 -0800, Victor wrote:
James,
You meant to say it is better because of *type* of modulation
(FM), not because the FM radio stations carrier frequency just
happen to be way higher, right?
At 100 MHz but AM mod the noise from the radio would be almost
as horrible as at 1600 kHz.
Victor
James Massey wrote:
...
If neet and tidy there may be some hope, but VHF radio (FM) will work a
lot better than SW (AM) due to the clicks not being as strong way up the
spectrum.
Hope his helps
Regards
[Technik] James
G'day Victor, and all
If you use a spectrum analyser on a square-wave set of harmonics you will
find that the amplitude decays with frequency. At 1MHz (the AM band) the
noise strength is a couple orders of magnitude stronger than on the FM Band
at 100MHz, so the transmission strength can be 100 times weaker at 100MHz
for the same result. As such I was over-generalizing, and was really trying
to emphasize the need for the cabling systems of the vehicle to be designed
to be low-radiating (therefore the noise level being much lower) rather
than accepting any old wiring and then trying to suppress it to an
acceptable level.
But yes, you are absolutely right in than noise suppression is inherantly
better for frequenct modulated demodulation than for amplitude modulated
demodulation. That said, I have encountered AM recievers with very good
noise blanking circuitry and narrow selective tuned reciever 'front end's
that worked acceptably in an electrically noisy environment, and I have
encountered poor FM recievers that didn't work very well at the best of times.
So in Nikkis' case, a good quality FM reciever may work with the vehicle
as-is, due to two counts, lower noise strength at the higher frequency, and
superior performance from FM demodulation.
Regards
[Technik] James (5 years as a radio tech trying to get RF energy radiated
as strongly as possible, then 20 years as an industrial/instrument tech
trying to prevent the damn RF energy from upsetting the equipment)
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EVers,
I have been working on a EV diagram for a while and I would very much
like some input. I put it on my lame excuse for a web page where it
will stay for a month or two.
http://webpages.charter.net/belchertownev/
It is there as a jpg or you can just download a PDF here
http://webpages.charter.net/belchertownev/EVDiagram.pdf
Thanks in advance.
John
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I can't help u much, I'm still learning and I don't know electronics, but I can
help you with a question. :)
What's the purpose of all those diodes and other circuit parts around the
heater core?
- Tony
John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: EVers,
I have been working on a EV diagram for a while and I would very much
like some input. I put it on my lame excuse for a web page where it
will stay for a month or two.
http://webpages.charter.net/belchertownev/
It is there as a jpg or you can just download a PDF here
http://webpages.charter.net/belchertownev/EVDiagram.pdf
Thanks in advance.
John
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That was great!
I found it by your link below but not the other one. it is off the scroll.
Chip Gribben wrote:
Hi everyone,
Here's the link to the EV story Fox is showcasing at the Electric Drive
Transportation Association Conference in Washington DC.
They were also able to include my interview in there too.
http://www.myfoxdc.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=1619829&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1
Also at 5:33 pm EST, Fox will run an abbreviated segment of the EV story
they ran this morning. At least the Fox station in DC. It may be bumped
though if something newsworthy comes up, but from what the producer said
they plan to run it.
What's also cool is Fox listed on the web page the links for the
Electric Vehicle Association of Washington DC (EVA/DC) and NEDRA.
I haven't actually seen the story this morning but from what the
neighbors and the UPS man just told me it turned out great.
See ya!
Chip Gribben
Electric Vehicle Association of Washington DC
http://www.evadc.org
National Electric Drag Racing Association
http://www.nedra.com
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Interesting the story says that gm bought out the company and then shut
it down the first time after leasing a few cars.
seems to be a pattern!
how about next time someone just doesn't sell out to GM!!!!!!!
Won't somebody build a reasonable looking all electric car ata sub
$30,000 mark?
Surely in LA alone there would be enough buyers to keep it in business.
Paul Wujek wrote:
Think is apparently coming back to life:
http://www.channel4.com/4car/news/news-story.jsp?news_id=15517
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Hello John,
One thing I would add is two safety contactors that is install on the lines
from the battery pack negative and positive that goes to the main contactor
and controller.
The heater circuits should tap off the lines between the safety contactors
and controller and the DC-DC unit comes off the battery pack controller a
control switch.
The reason for the safety contactors, is that they are off while you battery
charger is on. Charging 144 volts of battery can get over 180 volts and you
have the charging voltage suppress on this units.
AT one time I had a arc over in my dc-dc unit and the commentator of the
motor to the motor shaft while I was charging.
Also A battery voltmeter and amp meter circuit would come off between the
safety contactor and controller if you are not using a E-meter.
Its also a safety thing, if your controller or accelerator unit does not
shut down, then you can shut down these safety contactors with a separate
switch.
If you DC-DC is design to accept over 180 volts, then you can connected
directly to the battery pack, maybe with a control switch.
There should be Zener Overvoltage Transient Suppressors which are
Bidirectional and connected across the coil of the main contactor or any
contactor. These are NTE4990 to NET4999 which are rated for the voltages
you are using. You want one that is rated around 36 volts for a 12 volt
coil. I tried to run the main contactor directly off the Hairball and took
out this circuit. I end up using Square D glass plug in relay that draws on
0.01 amp to control a contactor coil that was pulling about 5 amp.
Ran the 12 volts from my ignition switch directly to the relay which then
goes to the contactors.
To turn on my two safety contactors, my ignition switch in the ignition
position turns on power to the Hairball and turns on a glass plug in relay
that turns on the two safety contactors
Between this relay and the safety contactors, I also have a in console
switch that I normally leave on all the time, but can use it as a kill
switch.
I also have a back up switch in the console for every circuit in the EV. I
normally leave them on, but if I turn them off, they act like a cypher
system, which you have to switch 42 switches in the correct position to get
the the EV to run. Push the wrong one and a siren goes off or other alarms,
remotes and etc will go off.
I am using special contactors that are design for EV at the different
voltages that are use. My are rated at 180 volts, but will operated the
coils at 240 volts, which is the maximum charge voltage, and can drop all
the way down to 11 volts and still hold the contactor close.
The contactor then will not come on until the voltage rises to 165 volts
which is the battery pack minimum volts anyway.
If you are using contactors with 12 volts coil, then you will have to either
have the DC-DC unit connected to the battery pack all the time or connect to
the battery pack with a switch if it not rated higher than 180 volts so it's
not connected while the battery charger is on.
I ground my Hairball the same way you did, but the voltage from ground
negative to positive was too low. So, I had to remove the paint with a
rotary file that has a pilot point design for chassis work. I ran a ground
counter poise system, where I came of Pin No. 1 to the ground point on the
hairball, then jumper to the the flange on the Zilla, went around to the
other side and ground both flanges of the zilla and Hairball again. From
this point went to the vehicle ground counter poise system which is a buss
system made of No 4 wire.
Also came off the Hairball Pin #1 again and ran a no 10 AWG ground wire to
the vehicle counter poise system. My voltage came up from 12.1 to 14.5
volts.
When doing circuit drawing, it is best to use three different types, the
block diagram, the schematic, and the actual wiring layout as it would look
if you are looking at it.
Years later if you have to trouble shoot or do a mod, then I find the actual
wiring layout is the best to use at times.
Roland
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From: "John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 8:35 PM
Subject: Input on diagram please
> EVers,
>
> I have been working on a EV diagram for a while and I would very much
> like some input. I put it on my lame excuse for a web page where it
> will stay for a month or two.
>
> http://webpages.charter.net/belchertownev/
>
> It is there as a jpg or you can just download a PDF here
>
> http://webpages.charter.net/belchertownev/EVDiagram.pdf
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> John
>
>
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