EV Digest 6230
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Alternatives to the Xebra ? Less than $10K
by "jmygann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: Hairball question
by <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: First electric car backtoback road test of this century ?
by <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) RE: Link-10 woes
by Jake Oshins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) OT, Was CO poisoning
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
6) Re: Zebra Purchase Warning
by GWMobile <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) RE: [BULK] Re: OT - 1.3 Million WO Electricity...
by "Lawrence Lile" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: Zebra Purchase Warning
by MARK DUTKO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: OT - CO poisoning
by Nick Austin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: Zener regs revisited
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Charging advise required.....
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
12) Re: EV parts available
by <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: Zener regs revisited
by Mike Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Link-10 woes
by "Edward Ang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: Zebra Purchase Warning
by Bruce Weisenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: OT - 1.3 Million WO Electricity - now NO GAS
by Danny Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: Zener regs revisited
by <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: Zebra Purchase Warning
by Jack Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: Hairball question
by "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: Zebra Purchase Warning
by "jerryd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: Zebra Purchase Warning
by "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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But it is not available and therefore it is not an alternative.
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> I think the Keystone Flyer is a much better value for the dollar
than the
> Xebra. It has two wheel drive as opposed to one. It has front and
rear
> wipers, heater and stereo. Most of all it looks a heck of as lot
better.
> http://www.keystonecarts.com/KeystoneFlyerSpecs.html
> http://www.keystonecarts.com/KeystoneFlyerGallery.html
>
> Roderick Wilde
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jmygann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 9:10 AM
> Subject: Alternatives to the Xebra ? Less than $10K
>
>
> >I thought this one may have merit ??
> > http://www.preparedness1.com/geo_metro.htm
> >
> > Any others ??
> >
> >
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>
> From: "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2006/12/13 Wed PM 10:11:00 EST
> To: <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: Hairball question
>
> Hello Dave,
>
> That is why I have one contactor on the negative side and one positive
> contactor before the main contactor.
This is good but I think the reason that Dave is seeing the full pack voltage
on the other side of the open contrctor is the a DMM takes very VERY little
current to get a reading , not ma but ua . The hair ball is looking to see if
the contactor is open or closed to do this its got to pass a little current .
probable enough to light the led . So even though its reading pull pack voltage
there isn't that much current there ( or danger) . Like if you had a 100k
resistor in series with you pack ,,, if you put your meter on it , it would
read full pack voltage ( almost ) put this wouldn't dran the batterys much or
be dangerage.
Roland ,,, Is there anything you haven't though of :-) everytime I read about
your set up , I think,, " This guy Has covered every posable problem that
could ever come up with a least 2 back up plans".
Is there a switch on that dash , that say xmass light s ,,, I'll bet there is
,, along with some back up lights and 2 different power supplys ... just in
case
If I only had the time I'd do the same ..
Steve Clunn
The first two contactors are normally
> call safety contactors, which shuts off voltage to the controller and also
> to any DC-DC unit, amp and volt meters.
>
> I also have the two safety contactors control by a second set of switches,
> so I can emergency kill the power.
>
> Also when I install the two safety contactors, I no longer have battery
> power bleed through the Zilla shunt, to the motor commentator that have
> brush dust tracking down on to the motor shaft and to ground. I use to have
> epoxy coated aluminum battery boxes which would conduct the most positive of
> the battery to frame.
>
> This completed the battery positive to negative circuit which would
> discharge my batteries. I went to a motor shop and pick up some motor
> enamel spray and coated the front of the commentator down to the motor shaft
> and up the the bearing surfaces of the shaft.
>
> I also coated the entire surface of the motor with motor enamel, until it
> was glass smooth. This allow for the brush dust to blow out better.
>
> Roland
>
>
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>
> From: "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2006/12/19 Tue AM 11:56:58 EST
> To: <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: First electric car backtoback road test of this century ?
> What is sad for me is that the UK is pulling far ahead
> of the U.S. in the acceptance of EVs.
With all that we are doing here in the US to get people to look at EV's ,
wouldn't it be funny it what gets the EV movement going in the US is EV's
becoming commen place in SOME OTHER CONTREY. We will then be the Followers
instead of leaders .
If Ford and kept up with the Think program ,,, maybe a neat hood ordnament on
the hood , and a little sales work ..we could have still been leaderes
Steve Clunn
We had a head start at one time here
> with the EV1 and the RAV 4 electric and others but it's all gone. We also
> have many enthusiasts who have been building EV conversions since the 70s. I
> recently posted on the amount of EVs in Italy which was impressive. It looks
> like the UK will surpass them if they keep up the pace. Anyone out there
> have a figure on the number of EVs in Los Angeles. I would sure like to be
> proved wrong here.
>
> Roderick Wilde
> EV Parts, Inc.
> www.evparts.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kaido Kert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 12:16 AM
> Subject: First electric car backtoback road test of this century ?
>
>
> > http://www.green-car-guide.com/news/new-electric-cars-on-streets-of-london.htm
> > I mean, we have gotten to a point, where consumer can go out and just
> > buy an electric vehicle for their daily driving needs. Not only that,
> > they now have a CHOICE ?? what is the world coming to ?
> > Seriously, its good that there are cars to buy, its good to have
> > competition. Means that manufacturers can't sit idle and are stepping
> > up their efforts, like with REVA/G-Wiz coming out with AC drive, and
> > promising lithium-ion upgrade coming in next year.
> > Anyone willing to bet how long it will take to get to a $30 000 model
> > ? And whether one of these small car companies or someone starting
> > from top end like Tesla gets there first ?
> >
> > BTW, heres a relatively complete list of BEVs that are actually on
> > market and can be bought
> > http://www.personal.leeds.ac.uk/~pscbrwm/cbev/buy.html
> >
> > -kert
> >
> >
> >
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Sorry. The heater hose moves air. It's a ceramic heater. I didn't fix
it immediately because I didn't perceive it as a big problem and the
Sparrow dash is a real pain to work on.
Thanks for responding, though.
- Jake Oshins
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Cor van de Water
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 12:22 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Link-10 woes
You said:
"a little leak in the heater hose that runs behind the Link-10"
You did not tell how much of the water from your heater leak got
into the Link 10 and may have messed it up, or that no water
got in, but your taking the dash apart (why did you not fix
the hose immediately?) could have caused this in some way.
Cor van de Water
Systems Architect
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It may have been something which is suspected of having happened a long
while ago....butdon't US cars have a catalytic convertor like Euro cars do ?
In fact, to gorilly prove the efficiency of Cats, there have been cases
where people trying to commit suicide with a tube up the tailpipe leading into
the car have died of plain asphyxiation from the CO2 and not the more
presumable CO poisoning.
Chris Barron
Cor van de Water wrote:
>It IS an urban legend, I challenge you to find a source
>for the "car idling in driveway, kills family" story.
>The warning has always been that you should not idle the
>car inside a confined space, like a garage.
>If a bad running engine, producing CO was as lethal as you
>said, then mechanics would demand a much higher pay.
>
>Modern cars are actually so clean that you will normally
>even have difficulty to build a dangerous level of CO in
>your average garage. So, if you plan to commit suicide
>(this is no solicitation, just a reasoning to prove a
>point from the extreme position) then do not use a
>modern car, you are likely to fail.
>I am not saying it is healty to breathe in exhaust, but
>CO poisoning is only going to happen in confined spaces
>with incomplete combustion, like a broken woodstove or
>a malfunctioning or incorrectly installed heater in the
>same room as where you are.
>
>Oh, and "Get fresh air" is the first thing to do if you
>suspect that you are suffering from CO poisoning. See:
>_http://www.epa.gov/iaq/pubs/coftsht.html_
(http://www.epa.gov/iaq/pubs/coftsht.html)
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Whooaaa
Changing the 3 wheel rule would be HUGE.
I can only assume some auto company lobbiests are hard at work trying to
stop a budding home builder industry in its tracks.
On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 3:17 pm, MARK DUTKO wrote:
I wanted to give a warning to all who are considering the purchase of
a Zebra. I have been contemplating this post but felt it would be in
the best interest to bring it to the attention of those interested to
provide them some more information on their potential purchase
decision. Without being too specific on the list ( you may contact me
off list) I can tell you that there is a good possibility of the DOT
prohibiting the sale of this vehicle in the future and also de-
classifying any existing models as being registered as a motorcycle as
it does not meet the requirements just because it has three wheels.
The various issues here and others I have not mentioned could result
in a vehicle that will not be able to be insured or registered. I have
no personal interest in this matter in either direction but I can not
sit back without informing list members that a purchase of this
vehicle could be potentially risky. You may contact me directly only
if you are SERIOUSLY contemplating a purchase and I will give you some
further information.
M
www.GlobalBoiling.com for daily images about hurricanes, globalwarming
and the melting poles.
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Crikey! You've got a whole power plant in there! Enough batteries to
make the Energizer Bunny stop marching around!
Lawrence Lile,
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Wayland
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 10:00 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [BULK] Re: OT - 1.3 Million WO Electricity...
Importance: Low
Hello to All,
Steven Lough wrote:
> I am surprised, no one has chimed in from the North West (WA. OR.)
> about the Thursday night/Friday morning Wind Storm... Worst in over a
> decade. Preceeded by a rain squal...
> Waiting to hear stories about Generators saving the day, DC-AC
Inverters
> Got to be some good EV stories out there...
Steve, it was indeed, quite a storm! The north Oregon coast got hammered
with hurricane force 100+ mph winds (Mt. Hebo in the coast range had 114
mph winds) but in the Portland metro area the wind peaks were just under
70 mph...not too horrible. It was really sad that the winds were also
howling at 90 mph high up on Mt. Hood with it's single digit temps,
preventing the rescue of the stranded climbers :-(
I was ready with all sorts of backup battery-inverter power, but alas,
our lights only flickered on - off - on a few times, but we never truly
lost power. As I said, I was soooo ready though!
I had made sure the night before when the high wind forecast was a sure
thing, to get all my battery power fully charged up. The 360V, 26 ahr
pack in White Zombie was freshly topped off. So was the 36V, 6 Orbital
pack in the Heavy Metal Garden Tractor who's on-board 13.5V DC-DC
converter can run a small 12 vdc to 120 vac inverter. So was a bank of
four Trojan T145s in the EV shop. So were countless single 12V batteries
here and there. So was the 576 lbs. of Trojan T145s in my work service
truck (8 of them) for 1040 ahrs of 12V power that powers-up the 2000
watt inverter on board. In addition to that inverter, I also had three
smaller 300-400 watt inverters each connected to their own 12V, 26 ahr
AGM batteries and already strategicly placed in the house, so that when
the power went out, I could quickly get key lamps in the house lit back
up. These lamps are already equipped with efficient fluorescent bulbs
that draw 15 watts while outputting light more comparable to 100 watt
incandescent types. At about an amp and a half from the 12V source, the
lamps would stay nice and bright for at least 10 continuous hours.
I also had an extension cord leading from the big inverter of the
service truck to the house. In addition to all this, I also had my
killer rechargeable flashlights all fully charged, too. For long periods
without power, I also had the Zombie's gasoline fueled 10kw genset ready
to go, plus the 7 kw genset/welder of the service truck as well. You
might say, I 'was' well prepared in the area of emergency AC power!
But as I said, the power simply stayed on :-(
See Ya....John Wayland
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I believe that a three wheel motorcycle needs to be tandem or single
passenger, not side by side. Sparrow is single, tango is tandem.
M
On Dec 20, 2006, at 12:50 PM, GWMobile wrote:
Whooaaa
Changing the 3 wheel rule would be HUGE.
I can only assume some auto company lobbiests are hard at work
trying to stop a budding home builder industry in its tracks.
On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 3:17 pm, MARK DUTKO wrote:
I wanted to give a warning to all who are considering the purchase
of a Zebra. I have been contemplating this post but felt it would
be in the best interest to bring it to the attention of those
interested to provide them some more information on their
potential purchase decision. Without being too specific on the
list ( you may contact me off list) I can tell you that there is
a good possibility of the DOT prohibiting the sale of this
vehicle in the future and also de- classifying any existing models
as being registered as a motorcycle as it does not meet the
requirements just because it has three wheels. The various issues
here and others I have not mentioned could result in a vehicle
that will not be able to be insured or registered. I have no
personal interest in this matter in either direction but I can
not sit back without informing list members that a purchase of
this vehicle could be potentially risky. You may contact me
directly only if you are SERIOUSLY contemplating a purchase and I
will give you some further information.
M
www.GlobalBoiling.com for daily images about hurricanes,
globalwarming and the melting poles.
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On Tue, Dec 19, 2006 at 11:55:27PM -0800, Cor van de Water wrote:
<..snip..>
> If a bad running engine, producing CO was as lethal as you
> said, then mechanics would demand a much higher pay.
I guess they can demand all they want, but people are willing to do
far more dangerous things for less pay.
> Modern cars are actually so clean that you will normally
> even have difficulty to build a dangerous level of CO in
> your average garage.
<..snip..>
> Oh, and "Get fresh air" is the first thing to do if you
> suspect that you are suffering from CO poisoning. See:
> http://www.epa.gov/iaq/pubs/coftsht.html
I guess the real problem is that new cars turn into old cars over time :)
>From the same link:
"Hundreds of people die accidentally every year from CO poisoning caused by
malfunctioning or improperly used fuel-burning appliances. Even more die from
CO produced by idling cars."
Thanks!
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From: "John G. Lussmyer"
> Except that Lee is probably running some truly ancient OS.
> Possibly CP/M or Windows 2.14...
Now, now; I'm not that bad. :-)
The camera is old enough (bought several years ago) that it doesn't have memory
cards or a USB port. It does have an RS-232 port, though.
I am running Win98se on my computers nowdays. The camera typically starts
uploading data, and then hangs partway through the process.
Win3.1: When I first bought the camera, I downloaded the Win3.1 drivers for it
(which took some effort to find). They actually *did* work, and downloaded
pictures -- but into Minolta's own peculiar imaging program, for which I could
never find a way to export them.
Linux: No drivers.
Mac: No RS-232 ports.
So, the camera sits in the box on the shelf.
This is really off-topic, so I'll respond off-list to any responses.
--
Lee Hart
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I've got around to finally cutting off the remnants of broken terminals and
drilling new holes for new connectors on my batteries and made up the 31 6
inch jumper cables from 35mm cable with a lug silver soldered on either end,
adn
then bolted onto the battery with an 8mm bolt.
What I want to know is that, from seeing some of this very good in-depth
discussion about PbA cells, is it reasonable for me to expect to be able to
charge cells up to 2.4V without too much concern ?
My cells are 32 individual 430Ah 2V traction batteries. I have a 24V ,
10Amp, SMPS which I've tweaked up to a reliable max of 26.4V via it's
calibration
pot, so I've started the charge of ten 2V cells in series at this voltage.
Apart from the batteries taking a long time to charge at 10Amps ,am I living
on the safe side of life ? Some of the cells had previiously been laid on
their side and almost all acid had drained from them so they are now topped up
and the SG is probably only 1100 for now. Before I go for the full 40Amp
charge I have available for the whole pack, should I do a few of these gentle
charge cycles with a suitable discharge in between ?
Thanks for any info,
Chris
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>
> From: "Michael Mohlere" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
> I realize that I will not be able to get what I paid for these items new.
> I'd be happy with half at this point plus shipping
What a Deal ... I'll do that ,,, anybody from up around there comming down to
Battery Beach Brunout ,, and wants to make some money bringing that motor ,
tranny and plate ...
> Any thoughts you might have on moving these items would be appreciated.
I'd like to see you get the most you can ,,, but I'd also like to give you the
least I can :-) so if there is any body who will give you more ,, then I'll bid
agunst them ,,, we can see how much you can get :-) so 1650 / 825 800 / 400
175/ 100 = my bid for the parts starts at $1400 how long dose the acution go
,,,,
Steve Clunn
> Hopefully they can be put toward a successful project. I would prefer if
> you kept the responses (if there are any) focused on the selling of the
> items and not the failure of the project. I feel bad enough about that
> already.....
>
> Mike
>
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The serial port on a Mac can send and receive RS232 just fine. RS485 is
not picky. Done it lots of times.
Mike
--- Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: "John G. Lussmyer"
> > Except that Lee is probably running some truly ancient OS.
> > Possibly CP/M or Windows 2.14...
>
> Now, now; I'm not that bad. :-)
>
> The camera is old enough (bought several years ago) that it doesn't
> have memory cards or a USB port. It does have an RS-232 port, though.
>
> I am running Win98se on my computers nowdays. The camera typically
> starts uploading data, and then hangs partway through the process.
>
> Win3.1: When I first bought the camera, I downloaded the Win3.1
> drivers for it (which took some effort to find). They actually *did*
> work, and downloaded pictures -- but into Minolta's own peculiar
> imaging program, for which I could never find a way to export them.
>
> Linux: No drivers.
>
> Mac: No RS-232 ports.
>
> So, the camera sits in the box on the shelf.
>
> This is really off-topic, so I'll respond off-list to any responses.
> --
> Lee Hart
>
>
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Jake,
2 things come to mind.
1) Current sense wires not tigtened properly on the Link-10.
Since it is measuring mV, any loosed connections would confuse it. It
had happened to my conversion. When the sun was beating on the dash,
my E-meter would start to count phatom amps.
2) Time to do a complete reset of the Link-10.
This has also happened to me. An E-meter that I was troubleshooting
kept counting positive amps even when I shorted the current sense
leads. A complete reset to factory settings fixed the problem.
On 12/20/06, Jake Oshins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Sorry. The heater hose moves air. It's a ceramic heater. I didn't fix
it immediately because I didn't perceive it as a big problem and the
Sparrow dash is a real pain to work on.
Thanks for responding, though.
- Jake Oshins
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Cor van de Water
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 12:22 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Link-10 woes
You said:
"a little leak in the heater hose that runs behind the Link-10"
You did not tell how much of the water from your heater leak got
into the Link 10 and may have messed it up, or that no water
got in, but your taking the dash apart (why did you not fix
the hose immediately?) could have caused this in some way.
Cor van de Water
Systems Architect
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Private: http://www.cvandewater.com
Skype: cor_van_de_water IM: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tel: +1 408 542 5225 VoIP: +31 20 3987567 FWD# 25925
Fax: +1 408 731 3675 eFAX: +31-87-784-1130
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--
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President
AIR Lab Corp
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It is also dependant on local laws. For example in AZ
the Trimagnum and Doran are registered as Motorcycles.
Passenger side by side.
Per previous post from Jerry anything with just 3
wheels in Florida is considered a motorcycle.
--- MARK DUTKO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I believe that a three wheel motorcycle needs to be
> tandem or single
> passenger, not side by side. Sparrow is single,
> tango is tandem.
>
> M
> On Dec 20, 2006, at 12:50 PM, GWMobile wrote:
>
> > Whooaaa
> >
> > Changing the 3 wheel rule would be HUGE.
> >
> > I can only assume some auto company lobbiests are
> hard at work
> > trying to stop a budding home builder industry in
> its tracks.
> >
> > On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 3:17 pm, MARK DUTKO wrote:
> >> I wanted to give a warning to all who are
> considering the purchase
> >> of a Zebra. I have been contemplating this post
> but felt it would
> >> be in the best interest to bring it to the
> attention of those
> >> interested to provide them some more information
> on their
> >> potential purchase decision. Without being too
> specific on the
> >> list ( you may contact me off list) I can tell
> you that there is
> >> a good possibility of the DOT prohibiting the
> sale of this
> >> vehicle in the future and also de- classifying
> any existing models
> >> as being registered as a motorcycle as it does
> not meet the
> >> requirements just because it has three wheels.
> The various issues
> >> here and others I have not mentioned could
> result in a vehicle
> >> that will not be able to be insured or
> registered. I have no
> >> personal interest in this matter in either
> direction but I can
> >> not sit back without informing list members that
> a purchase of
> >> this vehicle could be potentially risky. You may
> contact me
> >> directly only if you are SERIOUSLY contemplating
> a purchase and I
> >> will give you some further information.
> >>
> >> M
> >
> > www.GlobalBoiling.com for daily images about
> hurricanes,
> > globalwarming and the melting poles.
> >
> > www.ElectricQuakes.com daily solar and earthquake
> images.
> >
> >
>
>
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People most certainly do feel symptoms well before passing out, but they
are most often not correctly recognized.
They're generally confused with the flu. It may also impair reasoning
enough to reduce the chances of a person going through all the possible
reasons why they suddenly feel sick. People tend to think of flu, food
poisoning, stress, low blood sugar, "am I pregnant?" or whatever before
asking themselves questions about the room they're in.
This thing about you already being dead is a load of bull. CO poisoning
is rarely anything "sudden". CO poisoning does not go away by getting
to fresh air, but it'll certainly put you in better shape. If the
blood's still able to carry enough O2 to keep you concious, then you're
not going to die once you get some fresh air. Of course depending on
the severity and any other medical conditions the victim may have,
medical intervention may be very helpful. If you just felt woozy and
suspected a CO poisoning situation (gee maybe I shouldn't have been
running the car even with the garage half open), just get fresh air
immediately and keep people out of the enclosed area until the problem
is dealt with. You don't need to call 911. If you or someone else is
disoriented, semiconcious, confused, whatever, maybe you should call 911
to be safe.
If you've passed out, then the brain is starving and of course it's
likely you will absorb even more CO until it's fatal. That's the real
problem. Like I say some people will stay calm and not realize anything
is wrong until they pass out so of course it's a killer.
Danny
GWMobile wrote:
And another thing.
Co is completely orderless.
Your advice is EXCATLY the wrong thing to say and exactly why so many
people tragically die.
YOU GET NO WAENING. You can't RUn for fresh air when you feel woozy.
You don't have any red blood cells left at that pont and even if you
got to fresh air you would still suffacate because you don't have any
red blood cells left to take up the oxygen.
AND YOU DON'T FEEL WOOZY. You got a headache from some other
componenets of the smoke not the co.
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>
> From: Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2006/12/20 Wed AM 11:53:24 EST
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Zener regs revisited
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > I put together some of Lee's reg's for my Porsche 912, and have
> > enjoyed watching them... With the PFC charger at the end of the
> > charge when the blue light is flashing, the reg lights will pulse
> > on and off...
>
> That's odd. I wonder if the PFC is having trouble regulating voltage?
>
This is at the end of the charge ,, if I trun the charger down the lights will
just stay dim and after the palse for awhile they stay on ,,, also the first
light to come on is bright but then it gets dimmer as the rest come on ... When
I look at it ,, I think I know what people see in christmass trees ..
> > I still would like to build your other balancer. Can you post the
> > site that has the circuit and info.
>
> It's at http://www.geocities.com/sorefeets/balancerland/intro.htm
>
> > Are there enough people to do a group buy on the boards?
>
> Yes, I have enough now --
Am I on the list ,,, santa ?
Steve Clunn
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oh no another conspiracy against poor ole electrics.
notice it would apply to gas cars as well.
and quite frankly, 3 or 4 wheels shouldn't be an issue, it should be
width or weight to classify vehicles. a Tango with 4 wheels got
motorcyle privledges.
Jack
GWMobile wrote:
Whooaaa
Changing the 3 wheel rule would be HUGE.
I can only assume some auto company lobbiests are hard at work trying to
stop a budding home builder industry in its tracks.
On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 3:17 pm, MARK DUTKO wrote:
I wanted to give a warning to all who are considering the purchase of
a Zebra. I have been contemplating this post but felt it would be in
the best interest to bring it to the attention of those interested to
provide them some more information on their potential purchase
decision. Without being too specific on the list ( you may contact me
off list) I can tell you that there is a good possibility of the DOT
prohibiting the sale of this vehicle in the future and also de-
classifying any existing models as being registered as a motorcycle
as it does not meet the requirements just because it has three
wheels. The various issues here and others I have not mentioned could
result in a vehicle that will not be able to be insured or
registered. I have no personal interest in this matter in either
direction but I can not sit back without informing list members that
a purchase of this vehicle could be potentially risky. You may
contact me directly only if you are SERIOUSLY contemplating a
purchase and I will give you some further information.
M
www.GlobalBoiling.com for daily images about hurricanes, globalwarming
and the melting poles.
www.ElectricQuakes.com daily solar and earthquake images.
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Hello Steve,
I haven't even began to install all the systems, I want in my EV.
Would you believe me, If I told you I had a GMC V-6 engine in this EV way
back in 1985, which I used as a hybrid for about 2 years and I even ran it
on hydrogen, because I did not the fact I was using any gas in a EV. We knew
that the hydrogen would take out the mains on this engine, because we have
to run it over top dead center, because you do not need any advance ignition
for hydrogen.
It would be best to run a turban engine on hydrogen.
I was planning how I can fit in another chassis box that is 3 inches high by
4.75 inches wide by 7.875 inches long. I keep placing the box in different
spots and try to close the hood. Finally I found a spot that I have to
insert it vertical and do not have to remove it, to remove other items which
may block it.
This next modification is going to be something else. I remove my large 5
hp Honeywell 180 vdc motor which was 7 inches in diameter and 18 inches long
that ran the power steering, a large rotating inverter-alternator that puts
out 120 VAC at 7kw, a A/C system and GMC vacuum pump.
Really only need 3.2 hp to run all these units, because the heating system
is not at the same time the A/C is. The heating systems which is three 120
vac 60 hz heaters runs off the on board inverter system, and can be switch
over to off board commercial power for pre heating.
It only takes 5 minutes or so, to heat the inside of the cab to over 80
degrees when its only 30 below 0.
I replace the Honeywell drive system with three 1.75 hp motors at maximum
rpm, but will run them at about 2000 rpm at about 1 hp each. These motors
will only run the accessories while the main motor is on line, running the
EV.
I will be able to program these drive motors with a maze of on console
control switches to either run all the time while the main motor is running
or not.
Or I can program it to have the accessory drive motors go off line while the
main motor goes off line and the pilot shaft of the motor is connected to
the another set of drive pulleys through a Dodge Inc. electric clutch which
will then run the accessories.
This is what I call Mechanical Regen where the vehicle inertial rotates the
main motor, running the accessories. I have this part done, it it works
very well. You can see the battery and motor ampere are at 0 amps and the
inverter-alternator providing a voltage and ampere to run several different
heating systems, fans, and pumps.
After I test this system in how it works, then I plan to install a REGEN
circuit, which will charge the batteries. All the circuitry is install,
just have to do some cross connection to make it work.
This is not a REGEN circuit in the normal sense, where you change a motor
into a generator, add circuitry to a controller to increase the voltage
higher than the battery voltage, which still get you only 5% regen.
The alternator/inverter unit has a separate control unit made by the
Dynomote Corporation in Seattle. The alternator/inverter provides a full
110 VDC at 7kw to this inverter and then its inverted to 120 vac 60 hz at
6kw. This unit only needs 200 motor rpm which drives this unit at 400 rpm
to excited it.
To provide regen to the batteries, it will involved the accessory motors and
the main motor going off the line, two safety contactors are open to
isolated the battery pack from the controller and motor. A AC contactor is
then activated only when the inverter voltage and frequency is present, than
it will than turn on a transfer switch to switch the onboard PFC-50B charger
from the commercial power inlet to the on board inverter.
The PFC-50B can accept a AC voltage as low as 60 volts and up to 240 volts
AC. The only thing I have to fine out from Rich if I can preset the charger
for a 120 VAC input and leaving the charger C/B on and the current adjust
set to a certain level.
It may or may not work, but its does not hurt to experiment to see if it can
work.
Roland
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 9:06 AM
Subject: Re: Hairball question
>
> >
> > From: "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: 2006/12/13 Wed PM 10:11:00 EST
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Subject: Re: Hairball question
> >
> > Hello Dave,
> >
> > That is why I have one contactor on the negative side and one positive
> > contactor before the main contactor.
>
> This is good but I think the reason that Dave is seeing the full pack
> voltage on the other side of the open contactor is the a DMM takes very
> VERY little current to get a reading , not ma but ua . The hair ball is
> looking to see if the contactor is open or closed to do this its got to
> pass a little current . probable enough to light the led . So even though
> its reading pull pack voltage there isn't that much current there ( or
> danger) . Like if you had a 100k resistor in series with you pack ,,, if
> you put your meter on it , it would read full pack voltage ( almost ) put
> this wouldn't dran the batteries much or be dangerage.
>
> Roland ,,, Is there anything you haven't though of :-) everytime I read
> about your set up , I think,, " This guy Has covered every posable
> problem that could ever come up with a least 2 back up plans".
> Is there a switch on that dash , that say xmass light s ,,, I'll bet there
> is ,, along with some back up lights and 2 different power supplys ...
> just in case
> If I only had the time I'd do the same ..
> Steve Clunn
>
>
> The first two contactors are normally
> > call safety contactors, which shuts off voltage to the controller and
> > also
> > to any DC-DC unit, amp and volt meters.
> >
> > I also have the two safety contactors control by a second set of
> > switches,
> > so I can emergency kill the power.
> >
> > Also when I install the two safety contactors, I no longer have battery
> > power bleed through the Zilla shunt, to the motor commentator that have
> > brush dust tracking down on to the motor shaft and to ground. I use to
> > have
> > epoxy coated aluminum battery boxes which would conduct the most
> > positive of
> > the battery to frame.
> >
> > This completed the battery positive to negative circuit which would
> > discharge my batteries. I went to a motor shop and pick up some motor
> > enamel spray and coated the front of the commentator down to the motor
> > shaft
> > and up the the bearing surfaces of the shaft.
> >
> > I also coated the entire surface of the motor with motor enamel, until
> > it
> > was glass smooth. This allow for the brush dust to blow out better.
> >
> > Roland
> >
> >
>
>
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Hi Mark and All,
First thing is states make up these laws
for each state and the FDot has very loose laws now, basicly
anything with 3 wheels is a MC. Then from there states add
more regs if they want, Fla follows the FedDOT mostly and
almost anything goes as long as it goes 50 mph, has lights,
horns and brakes and stuff isn't falling off it. The 50 mph
minimum interstate speed, up from 40 mph in Fla and maybe
FedDOT recently which is where the Zebra ZAP , ect could hit
problems making them NEV's since that's really what they are
under US law and they will not be safe at 50mph if one tries
to increase their speeds. Some states have 1500 lb limits,
Cal, some requires saddle seats, Texas and some like Ct
don't allow 2f1r types at all but almost all states do.
I'd like to hear as many on this list just
what you heard Mark, which state or fed, off list or
preferably on.
Thanks,
Jerry Dycus
>
>GWMobile wrote:
>> Whooaaa
>>
>> Changing the 3 wheel rule would be HUGE.
>>
>> I can only assume some auto company lobbiests are hard at
>> work trying to stop a budding home builder industry in
>> its tracks.
>> On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 3:17 pm, MARK DUTKO wrote:
>>
>>> I wanted to give a warning to all who are considering
>>> the purchase of a Zebra. I have been contemplating
>>> this post but felt it would be in the best interest to
>>> bring it to the attention of those interested to
>provide them some more information on their potential
>>> purchase decision. Without being too specific on the
>>> list ( you may contact me off list) I can tell you
>>> that there is a good possibility of the DOT
>prohibiting the sale of this vehicle in the future and also
>>> de- classifying any existing models as being registered
>>> as a motorcycle as it does not meet the requirements
>>> just because it has three wheels. The various issues
>>> here and others I have not mentioned could result in a
>>> vehicle that will not be able to be insured or
>registered. I have no personal interest in this matter in
>>> either direction but I can not sit back without
>>> informing list members that a purchase of this vehicle
>>> could be potentially risky. You may contact me
>>> directly only if you are SERIOUSLY contemplating a
>>>purchase and I will give you some further information.
>>> M
>>
>>
>> www.GlobalBoiling.com for daily images about hurricanes,
>> globalwarming and the melting poles.
>>
>> www.ElectricQuakes.com daily solar and earthquake images.
>>
>>
>
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Just so no one gets confused the Tango has four wheels and is registered as
a car.
Roderick Wilde
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From: "MARK DUTKO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: Zebra Purchase Warning
I believe that a three wheel motorcycle needs to be tandem or single
passenger, not side by side. Sparrow is single, tango is tandem.
M
On Dec 20, 2006, at 12:50 PM, GWMobile wrote:
Whooaaa
Changing the 3 wheel rule would be HUGE.
I can only assume some auto company lobbiests are hard at work trying to
stop a budding home builder industry in its tracks.
On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 3:17 pm, MARK DUTKO wrote:
I wanted to give a warning to all who are considering the purchase of
a Zebra. I have been contemplating this post but felt it would be in
the best interest to bring it to the attention of those interested to
provide them some more information on their potential purchase
decision. Without being too specific on the list ( you may contact me
off list) I can tell you that there is a good possibility of the DOT
prohibiting the sale of this vehicle in the future and also de-
classifying any existing models as being registered as a motorcycle as
it does not meet the requirements just because it has three wheels.
The various issues here and others I have not mentioned could result
in a vehicle that will not be able to be insured or registered. I have
no personal interest in this matter in either direction but I can
not sit back without informing list members that a purchase of this
vehicle could be potentially risky. You may contact me directly only
if you are SERIOUSLY contemplating a purchase and I will give you some
further information.
M
www.GlobalBoiling.com for daily images about hurricanes, globalwarming
and the melting poles.
www.ElectricQuakes.com daily solar and earthquake images.
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