EV Digest 6276
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Converting a 1975 Pinzgauer 712 to electric????
by thomas ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: Unsafe Controllers
by Electro Automotive <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: YouTube was Re: ProEV news
by Bill Dube <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Hydraulic drive
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
5) RE: Hydraulic drive
by "Dewey, Jody R ATC COMNAVAIRLANT, N422G5G" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: Converting a 1975 Pinzgauer 712 to electric????
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: Converting a 1975 Pinzgauer 712 to electric????
by "Evan Tuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Can YOU acquiare any A123 / GM News ?
by Steven Lough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Charger Interlock/Contactor/DC COnv Question
by "Mike Harvey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Call for action
by "Kaido Kert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: Can YOU acquire any A123 / GM News ?
by Bill Dube <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: YouTube was Re: ProEV news
by GWMobile <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: YouTube was Re: ProEV news
by "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Lost & delayed email
by "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) The squirrel conversion looks great!
by GWMobile <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: YouTube was Re: ProEV news
by GWMobile <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: Hydraulic drive
by GWMobile <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: Hydraulic drive
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: YouTube was Re: ProEV news
by nikki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: Hydraulic drive
by Danny Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) BMS Design Position
by Bill Dube <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: Charger Interlock/Contactor/DC COnv Question
by "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: The squirrel conversion looks great!
by David Brandt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: Brake motor current switch (was: Unsafe Controllers - Question
...)
by Jack Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) NEDRA & Car and Driver
by "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) Re: Hydraulic drive
by "Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
27) Re: Hydraulic drive
by "Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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RE berlingos
Berlingos are cheap secondhand in the UK 1,000 to
10,000 pounds sterling, I think they are even chepaer
in France and Italy.
Apparently there was a period when the batteries were
delicate (late 1990s). I have heard of a few later
ones with duff batteries too, probably due to lack of
water.
Be aware that the berlingo motor is only rated at 15kw
continuous / 27Kw peak. I don't know how far you can
stretch this , the motor cooling is very minimal as
standard, maybe you could get more power by increasing
the air flow. I had to recondition have the comm
skimmed on mine at 20,000 miles so maybe if you put
more amps/volts thorugh it it would need more
maintenance. The controller is watercooled and has
thermal limits ot the current, it could probably
handle more volts and amps without modification but
I'm no expert.
The motors are about 2 foot long and a foot diameter
and I guess about 100Kg. they have built in reduction
and differential.
--- James Massey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> G'day Jacques, and All
>
> At 11:35 AM 5/01/07 +0100, Jacques Miller wrote:
> >Hi,
> ><snip>
> >I cannot afford to keep changing the setup over, or
> go from one
> >idea to another, especially that I will probably
> have to order
> >everything in the USA, adding transport costs and
> import fees.
> >My questions are:
> >(1) I would like to swap my gasoline engine for an
> electrical
> >engine - but according to the laws in my country I
> cannot be over
> >or under of 90 Hp and 185 Newton Meter torque.
>
> There is a European distributor for Siemens electric
> vehicle traction
> systems, I don't recall who, Victor, I believe you
> work with/know of them?
> The Siemens range should allow you to select a
> suitable system and program
> it to be exactly the torque stated. The electric
> system will probably have
> much less stated horsepower, as the electric is
> continuous rated and the
> petrol engine is rated for its peak. As long as you
> explain this to your
> transport department they should be OK with it.
>
> >(2) I need to have regenerative braking working on
> it.
>
> AC is the most straight-forward way to go, there are
> very few DC systems
> available with regenerative braking, unless you can
> get a system from a
> Berlingo or similar that matches your power
> requirements. One option may be
> to find a bent Berlingo or other european EV that
> would provide most of
> your system components.
>
> >(3) I need to run an electrical vacuum pump to
> assist my brakes
> >(mandatory)
>
> Simple enough.
>
> >(4) The truck is right now running on 24 volt
> system
>
> Not insurmountable, the Siemens AC systems have a
> built-in DC/DC converter,
> but they are mostly 12V, but they may do 24V. Apart
> from that, 24V is a
> common industrial voltage, so a suitable DC/DC
> converter would be available
> from Vicor or some other manufacturer.
>
> >(5) Right now maximum possible speed of this truck
> is 60 mph, due
> >to gearbox and portal axes. (6 time independant
> suspension on
> >portal axes)
>
> AC drives mostly rev a lot higher, so you may find
> you need to limit your
> top speed for safety, unless there is a drive system
> that does not rev so
> high.
>
> >(6) I want to keep my original manual gearbox
>
> That is standard practice.
>
> >(7) I would love to have a range of 250 miles at
> max 60 mph.
>
> That is a tough one, but enough Euros should take
> care of it. Lithium
> batteries would probably do it (Finland electric
> vehicles have a lot of
> experience with this). Your battery weight precludes
> anything else except
> maybe Sodium-Sulphur, if you can manage to get one.
> If you are short of
> funds you may have to limit your range significantly
> initially to get the
> vehicle done, run it on lead-acid batteries for a
> year or two, then upgrade
> the battery pack and add the management system. I
> cannot see your transport
> department caring if you change battery chemistry,
> as long as you do not
> change the weight.
>
> >(8) I wish to install on the roof solar panels to
> help increase the
> >range. Surface = 2 yards by 5 yards
>
> Feel free to install on the roof of your house, but
> on the roof of your
> truck you are likely to get about an extra two to
> four kilometer for a
> sunny day. This is due to 10m2, 10kw of sun, solar
> panels 20% efficient,
> 2kW if ideally aligned, laid flat maybe 800watts for
> the middle couple of
> hours of the day, maybe 2kWh per day.
>
> >(9) For loading purposes the electrical hoop up in
> Europe are 220
> >V/230 V 50 Hz.
>
> Brusa and many other chargers are made in Europe,
> but that doesn't stop you
> getting one from USA.
>
> >(10) I can, if need be, install 1,500 Lbs to 2,000
> Lbs worth of
> >batteries weight.
>
> 40 to 50km range on lead-acid batteries.
>
> >Any help in this matter is really gratefully
> appreciated. This is
> >the start of this thread of info request and I hope
> I can keep you
> >all updated how my project comes along.
>
> Jacques, there are about 1000 people from all over
> the world subscribed to
> this list, you are in the best place to learn of
> EVs. You may be better
> served to convert a small vehicle - a 2WD truck or
> van or a car as a
> learning exercise, unless you have plenty of Euros,
> as your ambition is
> pretty high and expensive. Ask questions, network
> your potential suppliers
> - you should be able to get all you need from
> European suppliers. And have
> some fun as you go along.
>
> Hope this helps
>
> Regards
>
> [Technik] James
> (in Australia)
>
>
Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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At 06:57 PM 1/4/2007, you wrote:
I may be speaking out of turn here, but it seems like everyone is trying to
find a neater and sweeter solution to this issue and these solutions are
only making the system more complicated and prone to failure. Wouldn't it be
better to keep it simple?
Brake lights on controller off.
Accelerator at zero controller off.
Also, maybe turn the thinking around. Make it a passive instead of active
system. Instead of thinking: "If this happens then turn it off." Try
thinking: "If this doesn't happen then it won't turn on"
Approaching design that way often results in a system or machine that will
inherently fail to a safe mode.
By the way does anybody have a big red panic button on the dash?
Standard in all our kits. Except we call it a "circuit breaker".
Shari Prange
Electro Automotive POB 1113 Felton CA 95018-1113 Telephone 831-429-1989
http://www.electroauto.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Electric Car Conversion Kits * Components * Books * Videos * Since 1979
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Screen shot that is displayed comes from _exactly_ half way though
the video clip.
I've seen folks put a single frame of a sexy girl at the exact
half-way point in their video just to get the increased YouTube hits.
Bill Dube'
At 10:04 AM 1/5/2007, you wrote:
--- Death to All Spammers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> YouTube those videos!
I've seen 750+ downloads for a video uploaded two weeks ago. Actually,
750+ total spread across three videos that are diff. versions of the
same subject (identical key words, same length)
HINT. YouTube displays a "screenshot" from each upload. Not sure how it
selects what image but the three versions ended up "captured" as a
close-up of a (segway) wheel, a mug shot of some old guy and the third
an upperbody and head shot of a good-looking young woman, nicely
dressed and wearing a bike helmet. "*Her*" copy of the three vids gets
about 80% of the hits <smile>
So yah, if anyone has more EV content to upload, it'd be fun if EVers
stuffed this video ballot box.
tks
Lock
Toronto
human-electric
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I am wondering if anyone has developed a hydraulically driven EV yet ? There
are many examples of wheel motors which already have mountings suitable for
suspension. Two wheel motors and a big hydraulic pump on the front of your
motor which could be mounted _anywhere_ in your vehicle would make an
interesting installation I think
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You would lose a lot of efficiency by driving the pump with the electric
motor.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 12:56
To: [email protected]
Subject: Hydraulic drive
I am wondering if anyone has developed a hydraulically driven EV yet ?
There are many examples of wheel motors which already have mountings
suitable for suspension. Two wheel motors and a big hydraulic pump on
the front of your motor which could be mounted _anywhere_ in your
vehicle would make an interesting installation I think
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I thought this was one of the best off road transports ever designed.
However it is very heavy. Even with 2000 pounds of lead acid batteries it
might get 20 miles of useable range. The range you are asking is out of the
question unless you use a nuclear reactor. Yes you can get the speed you
want. Yes the horsepower. No range available though. As is I think that
vehicle is 6000 pounds or more. You might rethink your conversion vehicle.
There are people in europe that do conversions. Lets hope they pipe up.
Phillip B???? !!!! Lawrence Rhodes
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 2:35 AM
Subject: Converting a 1975 Pinzgauer 712 to electric????
> Hi,
>
> I am seriously interested in converting a 6x6 offroad vehicle. Its
> is a 1975 Pinzgauer Model 712, which has a 4 cylinder aircooled
> gasoline engine, 90 Hp and 185 Newton Meter of torque. Although it
> is a gasoline engine it has all it's torque at 2000 rpm. I am
> living in Europe, more precisely in the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg (
> NO it is not in Germany - and the country is the size of Rhode
> Island). Due to my location there is not a lot of information
> available, as most european countries will not allow such a
> transformation. My country will authorise it provided I have every
> single item installed on the truck well documented. There is not a
> lot of choice here in Europe so I will have to rely on people in
> the USA to give me the correct advise, tell me what equipment to
> purchase ....and hopefully guide me in every step of the procedure.
> I cannot afford to keep changing the setup over, or go from one
> idea to another, especially that I will probably have to order
> everything in the USA, adding transport costs and import fees.
> My questions are:
> (1) I would like to swap my gasoline engine for an electrical
> engine - but according to the laws in my country I cannot be over
> or under of 90 Hp and 185 Newton Meter torque.
> (2) I need to have regenerative breaking working on it.
> (3) I need to run an electrical vacuum pump to assist my brakes
> (mandatory)
> (4) The truck is right now running on 24 volt system
> (5) Right now maximum possible speed of this truck is 60 mph, due
> to gearbox and portal axes. (6 time independant suspension on
> portal axes)
> (6) I want to keep my original manual gearbox
> (7) I would love to have a range of 250 miles at max 60 mph.
> (8) I wish to install on the roof solar panels to help increase the
> range. Surface = 2 yards by 5 yards
> (9) For loading purposes the electrical hoop up in Europe are 220
> V/230 V 50 Hz.
> (10) I can, if need be, install 1,500 Lbs to 2,000 Lbs worth of
> batteries weight.
>
> Any help in this matter is really gratefully appreciated. This is
> the start of this thread of info request and I hope I can keep you
> all updated how my project comes along.
>
> Best Regards to all of you,
>
> Jacques Miller
>
>
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On 1/5/07, thomas ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Be aware that the berlingo motor is only rated at 15kw
continuous / 27Kw peak. I don't know how far you can
stretch this , the motor cooling is very minimal as
standard
I don't agree that it's minimal. I have never overheated mine in
quite serious duty. The blower attached works well and there are
temperature sensors in the windings.
, maybe you could get more power by increasing
the air flow. I had to recondition have the comm
skimmed on mine at 20,000 miles so maybe if you put
more amps/volts thorugh it it would need more
maintenance.
20,000 km is the replacement interval for the brushes. Failing to
replace them regularly will damage the comm, but very little else will
in my experience. That said I don't think it would want to rev much
higher.
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Bill:
Just read this morning thanks to CalCarsNews, and Felix Kramer, that
GM has pritty much named TWO major Li-Ion suppliers for their
Saturn Vue-Green-Line PHEV. A123 which is now in bed with
Cobassy/Chevron, and SAFT. With your connections, can you "get the
dirt" on this story ?? or any more details ??
--
Steven S. Lough, Pres.
Seattle EV Association
6021 32nd Ave. N.E.
Seattle, WA 98115-7230
Day: 206 850-8535
Eve: 206 524-1351
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
web: http://www.seattleeva.org
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Hey All,
I have a quick question on modifying my charging operation to allow for
charging of the aux battery at the same time the pack is charging.
I was wondering how I could provide charger interlock functionality while still
allowing the DC to DC converter to charge the aux battery while the pack is
charging and not pull it off thew main pack during operation. Since the main
contactor in my setup feeds the DC conv through only when the keyswitch relay
sees ignition, the DC converter has no voltage during charge and therefore
doesnt charge the aux battery.
I was thinking of a second contactor on the (-) side of the pack to disable the
controller when the charger interlock is engaged but would prefer it be a
normally closed contactor so there is only a 12 load during charge.
Any experience, thoughts or ideas that can help me get at a safe and reliable
solution?
TIA, Mike
Mike Harvey
Harvey Coachworks
"They Killed It". We're Bringing It Back to Life"
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Hello all
Everybody has used Wikipedia, right ? Well, Wikipedia is in need of your
help now.
No, no monetary contributions ( although these seem to be welcome as well ),
just a little of your time to get the facts straight on battery electric
vehicle and related topics. There is a massive "To Do" list posted on this
page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Battery_electric_vehicle
As this list is probably most knowledgeable group of people in BEVs, i think
this call is worth shouting out here.
If you dont know how to edit wiki with proper formatting, or dont have time
for this, just write down what you know, your sources and where to get more
information on the Talk: page and the good people of wikipedia will
definitely take care of the rest.
thank you for hearing :)
-kert
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I have no idea about any details. Here is my personal opinion, for
what it is worth:
A123 Systems makes the best high-power Li-Ion cells and wants to sell
lots of them. The Cobasys folks make hybrid car battery packs. It
only makes sense that Cobasys would want to team up with A123 Systems
(and vice versa.)
From my dealings with A123 Systems, I have been _very_ impressed
with their honest and sensible business approach. They make a
high-quality product and they want to sell batteries to folks that
make high-quality battery packs, etc.
Bill Dube'
At 11:39 AM 1/5/2007, you wrote:
Bill:
Just read this morning thanks to CalCarsNews, and Felix Kramer, that
GM has pritty much named TWO major Li-Ion suppliers for their
Saturn Vue-Green-Line PHEV. A123 which is now in bed with
Cobassy/Chevron, and SAFT. With your connections, can you "get
the dirt" on this story ?? or any more details ??
--
Steven S. Lough, Pres.
Seattle EV Association
6021 32nd Ave. N.E.
Seattle, WA 98115-7230
Day: 206 850-8535
Eve: 206 524-1351
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
web: http://www.seattleeva.org
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Paste a picture of a good looking girl over half the screen during the
first 5 seconds of all ev videos to help spread the word!
On Fri, 5 Jan 2007 12:35 pm, Lock Hughes wrote:
--- Death to All Spammers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
YouTube those videos!
I've seen 750+ downloads for a video uploaded two weeks ago. Actually,
750+ total spread across three videos that are diff. versions of the
same subject (identical key words, same length)
HINT. YouTube displays a "screenshot" from each upload. Not sure how it
selects what image but the three versions ended up "captured" as a
close-up of a (segway) wheel, a mug shot of some old guy and the third
an upperbody and head shot of a good-looking young woman, nicely
dressed and wearing a bike helmet. "*Her*" copy of the three vids gets
about 80% of the hits <smile>
So yah, if anyone has more EV content to upload, it'd be fun if EVers
stuffed this video ballot box.
tks
Lock
Toronto
human-electric
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I am not sure what is happening on You Tube. Danny Ames posted a run of my
"Maniac Mazda" blowing the doors off a Dodge Viper a little over two weeks
ago and the views are now over 1300. You can see it here if you wish:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G32E4li3xHI
Roderick Wilde
"Suck Amps EV Racing"
www.suckamps.com
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From: "Lock Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 9:04 AM
Subject: YouTube was Re: ProEV news
--- Death to All Spammers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
YouTube those videos!
I've seen 750+ downloads for a video uploaded two weeks ago. Actually,
750+ total spread across three videos that are diff. versions of the
same subject (identical key words, same length)
HINT. YouTube displays a "screenshot" from each upload. Not sure how it
selects what image but the three versions ended up "captured" as a
close-up of a (segway) wheel, a mug shot of some old guy and the third
an upperbody and head shot of a good-looking young woman, nicely
dressed and wearing a bike helmet. "*Her*" copy of the three vids gets
about 80% of the hits <smile>
So yah, if anyone has more EV content to upload, it'd be fun if EVers
stuffed this video ballot box.
tks
Lock
Toronto
human-electric
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The squirrel conversion looks great!
I must say it really helps that is in that electric blue color.
Can you take some pictures with the car out of the garage though?
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That's very good to know. Thanks.
On Fri, 5 Jan 2007 1:06 pm, Bill Dube wrote:
Screen shot that is displayed comes from _exactly_ half way though the
video clip.
I've seen folks put a single frame of a sexy girl at the exact half-way
point in their video just to get the increased YouTube hits.
Bill Dube'
At 10:04 AM 1/5/2007, you wrote:
--- Death to All Spammers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
YouTube those videos!
I've seen 750+ downloads for a video uploaded two weeks ago. Actually,
750+ total spread across three videos that are diff. versions of the
same subject (identical key words, same length)
HINT. YouTube displays a "screenshot" from each upload. Not sure how it
selects what image but the three versions ended up "captured" as a
close-up of a (segway) wheel, a mug shot of some old guy and the third
an upperbody and head shot of a good-looking young woman, nicely
dressed and wearing a bike helmet. "*Her*" copy of the three vids gets
about 80% of the hits <smile>
So yah, if anyone has more EV content to upload, it'd be fun if EVers
stuffed this video ballot box.
tks
Lock
Toronto
human-electric
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It would be easy four wheel drive if you put a hub motor on each wheel.
Simple valves could turn it on and off.
Has anyone built a 4 wheel drive all electric?
It would get a lot of press.
It would have interesting climbing ability because of all that torque.
If you wanted to maximise performance and throw away range with few
batteries it might win some hill climb competitions for offroad extreme
rock climbs which usually happen at slow speeds at high angles of
attack.
On Fri, 5 Jan 2007 1:06 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am wondering if anyone has developed a hydraulically driven EV yet ?
There
are many examples of wheel motors which already have mountings
suitable for
suspension. Two wheel motors and a big hydraulic pump on the front of
your
motor which could be mounted _anywhere_ in your vehicle would make an
interesting installation I think
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] asked
> I am wondering if anyone has developed a hydraulically driven EV yet ?
> There are many examples of wheel motors which already have mountings
> suitable for suspension. Two wheel motors and a big hydraulic pump on
> the front of your motor which could be mounted _anywhere_ in your
> vehicle would make an interesting installation I think
Yes; they are common in industrial, mining, and other commercial
vehicles. For example, fork lifts use electric hydraulic pumps and
hydraulic motors.
Dewey, Jody R ATC COMNAVAIRLANT, N422G5G wrote:
You would lose a lot of efficiency by driving the pump with the electric
motor.
It's less efficient than a gearbox (probably 80% vs. 95%). But, the
convenience, durability, and versatility often makes up for it.
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Forget the perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
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ROFLOL - well it'd work for me ;)
coincidentally, if anyone wants me to review their EV while I'm
stateside I shall be in the greater DC area from Friday next week
through till 1/20.
Please email me if you have a car you don't mind me videoing and
reviewing for my YouTube Collection. http://youtube.com/profile?
user=aminorjourney
My aim is to get as many EVs as possible reviewed in a motoring show
style. If anyone in the greater DC area has a RAV4EV still I'd love
to drive it!
Cheers
Nikki.
P.S. Kate and I will be giving a guest talk at the EVA DC meet on
January 16 in Bethesda on UK EVing ;)
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On Jan 5, 2007, at 5:21 PM, Bill Dube wrote:
Screen shot that is displayed comes from _exactly_ half way though
the video clip.
I've seen folks put a single frame of a sexy girl at the exact half-
way point in their video just to get the increased YouTube hits.
Bill Dube'
At 10:04 AM 1/5/2007, you wrote:
--- Death to All Spammers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> YouTube those videos!
I've seen 750+ downloads for a video uploaded two weeks ago.
Actually,
750+ total spread across three videos that are diff. versions of the
same subject (identical key words, same length)
HINT. YouTube displays a "screenshot" from each upload. Not sure
how it
selects what image but the three versions ended up "captured" as a
close-up of a (segway) wheel, a mug shot of some old guy and the
third
an upperbody and head shot of a good-looking young woman, nicely
dressed and wearing a bike helmet. "*Her*" copy of the three vids
gets
about 80% of the hits <smile>
So yah, if anyone has more EV content to upload, it'd be fun if EVers
stuffed this video ballot box.
tks
Lock
Toronto
human-electric
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There was some press awhile back over Ford's "Hydraulic Hybrid".
Instead of battery storage, it relied on pressurized tanks of hydraulic
fluid. In fact since the energy storage comes from the compression of
tank air above the fluid, it is more accurately termed a "Pneumatic
Hybrid". As the fluid is used, it drains into a low pressure reservoir
and will be pumped back into to the high pressure tank during
regenerative braking or a slow recharge off the engine.
I was surprised hydraulics could be applied that way, I assumed
viscosity would make it terribly inefficient for any sort of high speed
movement. I don't think its real world performance has been proven, but
you can try to look up details on it anyways.
Danny
Lee Hart wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] asked
> I am wondering if anyone has developed a hydraulically driven EV yet ?
> There are many examples of wheel motors which already have mountings
> suitable for suspension. Two wheel motors and a big hydraulic pump on
> the front of your motor which could be mounted _anywhere_ in your
> vehicle would make an interesting installation I think
Yes; they are common in industrial, mining, and other commercial
vehicles. For example, fork lifts use electric hydraulic pumps and
hydraulic motors.
Dewey, Jody R ATC COMNAVAIRLANT, N422G5G wrote:
You would lose a lot of efficiency by driving the pump with the electric
motor.
It's less efficient than a gearbox (probably 80% vs. 95%). But, the
convenience, durability, and versatility often makes up for it.
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There is a full-time position opening for a BMS designer in Boulder, Colorado.
Here are the details:
They need an experienced electronics person to design custom BMS for
their Li-Ion battery systems. This person must have a good background
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This is a great opportunity for the right person. Boundless is moving
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If you are qualified and interested, contact Boundless Corp. at:
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Hello Mike,
It is easier to use a small on board 12 volt smart charger that is connected
to you AC input for your main battery charger. Every time you you have the
main AC plug on, your 12 volt charger can come on at the same time.
This is what I do, The AC from the main 50 amp input goes to a on board 20
amp circuit breaker which the 12 volt charger is connected to.
I am use a Solid State Schumacher Model WM-5000A. Current select of 2,
10-30 amp. It has digital voltage and state of charge indicators. It will
auto stop the balk charge and then go into a maintainer cycle.
It will charge standard, deep cycle, AGM or Gel batteries.
I purchase my unit from Wal-Mart or from www.walmart.com.
Roland
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From: "Mike Harvey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "EV List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 11:34 AM
Subject: Charger Interlock/Contactor/DC COnv Question
> Hey All,
>
> I have a quick question on modifying my charging operation to allow for
> charging of the aux battery at the same time the pack is charging.
>
> I was wondering how I could provide charger interlock functionality while
> still allowing the DC to DC converter to charge the aux battery while the
> pack is charging and not pull it off thew main pack during operation.
> Since the main contactor in my setup feeds the DC conv through only when
> the keyswitch relay sees ignition, the DC converter has no voltage during
> charge and therefore doesnt charge the aux battery.
>
> I was thinking of a second contactor on the (-) side of the pack to
> disable the controller when the charger interlock is engaged but would
> prefer it be a normally closed contactor so there is only a 12 load during
> charge.
>
> Any experience, thoughts or ideas that can help me get at a safe and
> reliable solution?
>
> TIA, Mike
>
>
> Mike Harvey
> Harvey Coachworks
> "They Killed It". We're Bringing It Back to Life"
>
>
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That probably would be good, huh? but a good photo shoot requires sunlight,
and that has yet to happen while I am off work. It's literally been lousy
conditions whenever I have had the time for the last month (not necessarily
raining cats and dogs, just lousy lighting, fog, drizzle, you name it). I also
would like to take pics highlighting some of the lighting changes, especially
the rear lights.
We just moved, so it's on the list of things to do, but its waaayyyyyyy down on
the list. If it is sunny this weekend, then I need to wash/wax all the
vehicles, and I'll take pictures then.
It came that color, and I like it, but it isn't the greatest paint job. But it
looks OK from a distance, and doesn't expose any metal to the environment, so
I'm letting it go for the moment. Replacing the shocks/struts and getting an
aftermarket subwoofer amp are tops on my list for the car right now.
David Brandt
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From: GWMobile <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2007 2:27:18 PM
Subject: The squirrel conversion looks great!
The squirrel conversion looks great!
I must say it really helps that is in that electric blue color.
Can you take some pictures with the car out of the garage though?
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and the melting poles.
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sounds good, but what happens if you are on a steep hill and you need to
hold the brake pedal while you press the go pedal to get the car moving
without rolling back into the car behind you?
A brake-on-motor-off switch would not work for this situation.
As I said before, I think a good way is to use the throttle-off detector
and cut power if the battery current doesn't fall.
My plan is to have this on/off controller as a supervisor. It would
monitor and do safety checks, and also report the data to the vehicle
display on the dash, so its measuring battery current already. Though
I'm not sure exactly what it does, it seems similiar to what the Zilla
hairball does, but this supervisor would work independent of any
particular motor controller.
Jack
Bill Dube wrote:
John Wayland figured out how to do this very cleverly several years ago.
As I recall John placed a magnetic reed switch right next to the motor
cable so that it would open when current was flowing to the motor. He
put this reed switch in parallel with a brake pedal switch that would
open when the pedal was pressed. This whole thing was placed in series
with the main contactor "seal in" circuit.
If there was a large current flowing to the motor, and you put your foot
on the brake, it would drop out the main contactor.
Quite clever, isn't it?
Bill D.
At 02:42 PM 1/4/2007, you wrote:
Wouldn't it be possible to build a circuit that:
Disables the contractor whenever the brake lights come on AND there is
current (or voltage) on the motor? Wouldn't that clearly indicate the
drivers desire to stop even though there seems to be power delivered to
the motor?
Somebody able to draw up a quick circuit?
Michaela
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Here is an update on the article coming out in the world's largest
automotive publication, Car and Driver. John Wayland had given me a call
after spending time on the phone with the fact checker for Car and Driver.
Here is what I am allowed to tell you. The article will be out in the April
issue which comes out in March. For those who have followed Car and Driver
over a long period of time know, they aren't what you might refer to as a
tree hugger type of publication. Some may say they are far from it :-) Well
piloting a low 12 second EV may have changed their attitude slightly. I'm
sure it did to the driver, Ted West, who came to the NEDRA Nationals this
last fall. John say's that it is a very positive article. That being said, I
just can't wait to get my hands on a copy of it! This is also a major
milestone for NEDRA and for EVs for the year of 2006, actually having Car
and Driver send a writer and a photographer to an EV event. Yep, all in all
2006 was a pretty good year for EVs but 2007 is shaping up to be even better
with new national TV coverage coming up and other things I can't talk about
yet.
Roderick Wilde
"Suck Amps EV Racing"
www.suckamps.com
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Yes PML Flightlink, makers of printed circuit motors built this 4
wheel drive Mini with 640HP using 4 of their wheel motors
Check it out... http://tinyurl.com/nqddx
If I had the money I would get onto that...
Their webpage is here...
www.pmlflightlink.co.uk not bad progress for a company who started
making computer pancake motors for drives and the like !
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], GWMobile <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> It would be easy four wheel drive if you put a hub motor on each
wheel.
>
> Simple valves could turn it on and off.
>
> Has anyone built a 4 wheel drive all electric?
> It would get a lot of press.
> It would have interesting climbing ability because of all that
torque.
> If you wanted to maximise performance and throw away range with
few
> batteries it might win some hill climb competitions for offroad
extreme
> rock climbs which usually happen at slow speeds at high angles of
> attack.
>
>
>
> On Fri, 5 Jan 2007 1:06 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > I am wondering if anyone has developed a hydraulically driven EV
yet ?
> > There
> > are many examples of wheel motors which already have mountings
> > suitable for
> > suspension. Two wheel motors and a big hydraulic pump on the
front of
> > your
> > motor which could be mounted _anywhere_ in your vehicle would
make an
> > interesting installation I think
>
> www.GlobalBoiling.com for daily images about hurricanes,
globalwarming
> and the melting poles.
>
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Ah yes viscosity, you could always run it slowly and gear it up to
take benefit from the huge ammounts of torque which hydraulic motors
can create, maybe.
Chris
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Danny Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> There was some press awhile back over Ford's "Hydraulic Hybrid".
> Instead of battery storage, it relied on pressurized tanks of
hydraulic
> fluid. In fact since the energy storage comes from the compression
of
> tank air above the fluid, it is more accurately termed a "Pneumatic
> Hybrid". As the fluid is used, it drains into a low pressure
reservoir
> and will be pumped back into to the high pressure tank during
> regenerative braking or a slow recharge off the engine.
>
> I was surprised hydraulics could be applied that way, I assumed
> viscosity would make it terribly inefficient for any sort of high
speed
> movement. I don't think its real world performance has been
proven, but
> you can try to look up details on it anyways.
>
> Danny
>
> Lee Hart wrote:
>
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] asked
> > > I am wondering if anyone has developed a hydraulically driven
EV yet ?
> > > There are many examples of wheel motors which already have
mountings
> > > suitable for suspension. Two wheel motors and a big hydraulic
pump on
> > > the front of your motor which could be mounted _anywhere_ in
your
> > > vehicle would make an interesting installation I think
> >
> > Yes; they are common in industrial, mining, and other commercial
> > vehicles. For example, fork lifts use electric hydraulic pumps
and
> > hydraulic motors.
> >
> > Dewey, Jody R ATC COMNAVAIRLANT, N422G5G wrote:
> >
> >> You would lose a lot of efficiency by driving the pump with the
electric
> >> motor.
> >
> >
> > It's less efficient than a gearbox (probably 80% vs. 95%). But,
the
> > convenience, durability, and versatility often makes up for it.
>
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