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$10,000,000.00 USD plus royalities.
Press Release
December 31, 2006 Corvallis, Oregon: The End Of Fossil Fuel Dependency
Inventor Michael Hargett has announced the offering for sale of 2 U.S.
Patent Pending Applications (plus provisionals) which, having been tested
and proven with absolute mathematical certainty, will eliminate the need for
vehicles dependant on fossil fuel. Patent Pending Application date: December
21, 2006.
US60/761,210 with US60/808,566 and US60/761,211 (provisionals) will be
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Janurary 8th, 2007. This limited posting will run through March 8th, 2007.
The objective of this scheduled event -lasting sixty (60) days- is to allow
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With this four-cell process even the hybrid is now obsolete.
Implementation of this patented system, which can be placed in any vehicle
currently fossil fuel driven, can power that vehicle 37.5 miles per cell on
a single continuous charge. Actuals indicate that at a rate of 20,000
recharge cycles (with each section going 37.5 miles) it would mean, in
essence, a vehicle would travel 750,000 miles per section before cell
replacement. Michael Hargett, inspired by the compassion of long time family
friend Sam Beck, has harnessed the power of alternating battery use in
collecting the current created in the existing mechanics. By capturing that
power within the patented process and converting it, storing it in a series
of on-board lithium ion batteries and releasing the charge back into the
system vehicles driven with this system propelled at a better than standard
zero-to-sixty mph in controlled laboratory tests. Advances in lithium ion
battery technology allow the batteries to store and release energy at far
greater capacities than ever imagined. Current hybrid automobiles, for
example, still rely on fuel to supply the ignition before a car can be
driven off the single cell battery. With the Hargett System, even the
ignition can be triggered by stored energy in the charge/release process
which charges and recharges independent battery cells that are linked
through the process. Much as the engine itself will change from gear to gear
to accommodate the increase in the speed of the vehicle, the Magnet Wheel
Alternator Electricity Producing Wheel, Magnet Wheel Generator Electricity
Producing Wheel and the Electric Vehicle Battery Alternating Recharging
Process allow the battery dependancy to be shifted from one cell to another
without operational interruption. While in motion the cells can be shifted
from low to charged without having to stop the vehicle or remotely recharge
its battery. It is a true self-sustaining system which requires no fossil
fuel.
The vehicle will operate in the same manner as any fossil fuel vehicle
without the pollution generated by current combustion engines. The advanced
technology in itself creates new jobs, supports advances in education,
preserves our environment and moves our society away from a dependancy on
oil. It changes the way in which we "fuel" our systems without affecting the
basic construction of those vehicles or the industry that manufactures them
which debunks the myth that battery driven systems would negatively affect
our economy. It is in the interest of informing the general public that Mr.
Hargett is auctioning the patents in a public forum. He wishes not to have
this incredible technology kept from them.
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From: "Roy LeMeur" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: A different take on the GM VOLT
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David Roden wrote:
>I really want to be positive about this. But GM also said they were
>"committed to making a business of EVs" when discussing the EV-1, too.
I certainly share your skepticism as to GM's intentions David.
But whether they mean it or not, it _has been said_ in the mainstream media.
I am, of course, hoping that other automakers will at least provide lip
service to the idea.
...
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NEDRA NW Regional Director
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Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 11:17:23 -0000
From: "Mike Phillips" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: EV patent on eBay
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Quite a trick to sell a patent application.
Mike
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120072860714
> Read for yourself. Sounds too good to be true. I'm sure it is.
Lawrence
> Rhodes.....
>
> Description (revised)
>
>
> This offering has been moved to the classified section where
it will
> remain for sixty (60) days in order for interested persons to obtain
> additional information. To insure your privacy please email requests
for a
> detailed information packet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and the inventor will
> promptly reply. At the end of this classified posting, on March 9th,
2007 it
> will be moved back into the auction area where it will be available
for bid
> for a period of 14 days. On March 23rd, 2007 the Patent Pending
Applications
> and Provisionals will be removed from the ebay forum. Inventor seeks
> $10,000,000.00 USD plus royalities.
>
> Press Release
>
> December 31, 2006 Corvallis, Oregon: The End Of Fossil Fuel
Dependency
>
> Inventor Michael Hargett has announced the offering for sale
of 2 U.S.
> Patent Pending Applications (plus provisionals) which, having been
tested
> and proven with absolute mathematical certainty, will eliminate the
need for
> vehicles dependant on fossil fuel. Patent Pending Application date:
December
> 21, 2006.
>
> US60/761,210 with US60/808,566 and US60/761,211 (provisionals)
will be
> available for public view thru "Classified" listing on e-Bay
beginning on
> Janurary 8th, 2007. This limited posting will run through March 8th,
2007.
> The objective of this scheduled event -lasting sixty (60) days- is
to allow
> the device and process to be available to the general public. Interested
> parties must request an information packet via email from
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] The inventor will reply. On March 9th, 2007 the U.S.
> Patent Applications and Provisionals will return to auction for fourteen
> (14) days only!
>
> With this four-cell process even the hybrid is now obsolete.
> Implementation of this patented system, which can be placed in any
vehicle
> currently fossil fuel driven, can power that vehicle 37.5 miles per
cell on
> a single continuous charge. Actuals indicate that at a rate of 20,000
> recharge cycles (with each section going 37.5 miles) it would mean, in
> essence, a vehicle would travel 750,000 miles per section before cell
> replacement. Michael Hargett, inspired by the compassion of long
time family
> friend Sam Beck, has harnessed the power of alternating battery use in
> collecting the current created in the existing mechanics. By
capturing that
> power within the patented process and converting it, storing it in a
series
> of on-board lithium ion batteries and releasing the charge back into the
> system vehicles driven with this system propelled at a better than
standard
> zero-to-sixty mph in controlled laboratory tests. Advances in
lithium ion
> battery technology allow the batteries to store and release energy
at far
> greater capacities than ever imagined. Current hybrid automobiles, for
> example, still rely on fuel to supply the ignition before a car can be
> driven off the single cell battery. With the Hargett System, even the
> ignition can be triggered by stored energy in the charge/release process
> which charges and recharges independent battery cells that are linked
> through the process. Much as the engine itself will change from gear
to gear
> to accommodate the increase in the speed of the vehicle, the Magnet
Wheel
> Alternator Electricity Producing Wheel, Magnet Wheel Generator
Electricity
> Producing Wheel and the Electric Vehicle Battery Alternating Recharging
> Process allow the battery dependancy to be shifted from one cell to
another
> without operational interruption. While in motion the cells can be
shifted
> from low to charged without having to stop the vehicle or remotely
recharge
> its battery. It is a true self-sustaining system which requires no
fossil
> fuel.
>
> The vehicle will operate in the same manner as any fossil fuel
vehicle
> without the pollution generated by current combustion engines. The
advanced
> technology in itself creates new jobs, supports advances in education,
> preserves our environment and moves our society away from a
dependancy on
> oil. It changes the way in which we "fuel" our systems without
affecting the
> basic construction of those vehicles or the industry that
manufactures them
> which debunks the myth that battery driven systems would negatively
affect
> our economy. It is in the interest of informing the general public
that Mr.
> Hargett is auctioning the patents in a public forum. He wishes not
to have
> this incredible technology kept from them.
>
> Formerly ebay item=120070474274
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Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 04:23:20 -0700
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: a way to lower aerodynamic drag
To: [email protected]
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<div>Keeping the flow attached to the body is key to reducing
drag. Having a "Burble fence" or "riblets" or other surface
conditioning actually increases what is called the "skin friction" drag
very slightly, but is beneficial in greatly reducing the much larger
drag induced by the pressure distribution around the entire body.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Much of the drag on road vehicles is caused by the low pressure
region on the aft end "sucking" the vehicle back. This literally
"sucks ass" because reducing that means gradually tapering the
afterbody (to keep the flow attached) which renders the vehicle
impractical for anything but racing.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Wait a minute. Who cares about practical? I have a new
concept design. I'm calling it "The wedgie" ;)</div>
<div> </div>
<div>-Sam Maynard</div>
<div>Arresting SUV's on board scooter since 2007.</div>
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<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 8px; MARGIN-LEFT: 8px; BORDER-LEFT:
blue 2px solid">-------- Original Message --------<BR>Subject: a way to
lower aerodynamic drag<BR>From: Geopilot
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]><BR>Date: Mon, January 08, 2007 11:29
pm<BR>To: [email protected]<BR>Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED],<BR>[EMAIL PROTECTED],<BR>[EMAIL PROTECTED],<BR>[EMAIL
PROTECTED]<BR><BR>http://www.fraunhofer.de/fhg/EN/press/pi/2006/12/ResearchNews12-2006-Topic4.jsp<BR><BR>>
As fast as a shark in water<BR>> <BR>> With the help of tiny
ridge-like structures in their scales, sharks<BR>> are able to
minimize drag when swimming. A new coating system takes<BR>>
advantage of this “riblet effect” to improve the
aerodynamics of<BR>> vehicles and aircraft.<BR>> <BR>> Scales
have a beneficial effect on the speed at which fish swim: tiny<BR>>
ridges arranged parallel to the swimming direction, known as<BR>>
“riblets”, reduce drag in water. This riblet effect, which
has been<BR>> known to scientists and engineers for more than 50
years, can also be<BR>> utilized by ships and other means of
transport: Films with a suitable<BR>> structure can be applied to
their outer surfaces to reduce frictional<BR>> resistance and thus
bring down fuel consumption.<BR>> <BR>> The problem is that these
films can only be applied to flat or convex<BR>> surfaces, but bodies
whose aerodynamic or hydrodynamic properties<BR>> have been optimized
tend to have a more complex shape. The<BR>> alternative to coating
with a film is to texture the surface itself<BR>> with riblets.
However, none of the laser or milling techniques which<BR>> have
been employed so far are suitable for components that have to
be<BR>> painted, as the paint would immediately flow into the tiny
grooves<BR>> and fill them.<BR>> <BR>> Dr. Volkmar Stenzel of
the Fraunhofer Institute for Manufacturing<BR>> Engineering and
Applied Materials Research IFAM thus came up with the<BR>> idea of
integrating the riblet pattern into the lacquer itself.
“That<BR>> meant we had to look for a tool which didn’t
adhere to the lacquer,<BR>> so that it could impress the required
structure onto it,” explains<BR>> Stenzel. A prototype has now
been created, combining a suitable<BR>> lacquer and the technology
for applying it. The novelty is that an<BR>> approximately 20 cm
wide transparent silicone film with a riblet<BR>> pattern serves as
a “stamp”. This is capable of printing patterns<BR>>
with a resolution of a few nanometers, similar to those found
in<BR>> holograms, onto surfaces. The film runs over three flexible
rollers<BR>> and can thus adapt its shape to hug uneven surfaces.
>From the front,<BR>> a new type of resin lacquer is continuously
sprayed onto the film and<BR>> transferred with the help of the
rollers onto the surface to be<BR>> treated. A UV lamp then hardens
the resin in a fraction of a second.<BR>> Because of the extremely
fast application and hardening process, the<BR>> riblet structure is
retained.<BR>> <BR>> “Our trial lacquer is based on the
chemistry used in aviation paints.<BR>> It is mechanically very
durable and,” Stenzel hopes, “should also be<BR>>
resistant to strong UV radiation at high altitude.” A field
trial<BR>> will soon show whether the lacquer fulfills its promise
in practice.<BR>> However, applications for the new coating system
are not restricted<BR>> to the aviation industry, as Stenzel
stresses: “With this technology<BR>> we can apply any other
micro and nano structures to lacquered<BR>> surfaces.”
</BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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Hello, I have access to some Concorde RG380E/44 24 volt 42 AH AGM
aviation batteries that have been taken out of service. Can I run into
any problems using them in my 93 GEO 144 volt Solectria? What would be
the optimal way to test these batteries individually before I install
them in the Geo. The aviation battery terminals are another challenge I
could use some input on.
Thank you,
Alan
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I have tested one of these 80AH cells and the results look impressive. I pulled
300A from it at 0 degrees celsius no problem. So I've ordered a 46 cell pack
via Everspring in HK. I am working on a BMS for it at present and may be looking
to market it in a few months depending on my own trials.
If you want more info contact me off list.
Regards, Rod Dilkes
www.dilkesmotors.com
>Other list members were involved in a group buy of their older cells. They
>output capabilities...) . I'd stay away if I were you.
>-Matt
On 1/8/07, Tim Gamber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> i was just looking at the thundersky website and they have a Li-ion
> battery
> that is perfect an electric motorcycle i might build. It is a 3.2 volt 80
> AH
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In the 80's I saw a demonstration of this principal in a fluid dynamics
class and instantly thought about putting it on a car. Here is the rub.
You car would be designed to be efficient at 1 air speed. above and
below this speed, the aero is worse than if you didn't have the ridges.
These edges must be sharp to catch air and make little ball bearings out
of it, How are you gonna keep them clean? wax the car and ruin it's milage?
The original demonstration was using a scratch awl into the laquer on a
sphere. This and a smooth sphere were mounted to a beam balance with
each sphere in an adjustable air stream. Sound familiar?
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Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 15:43:57 +0000
From: chris lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Hi all, I'm from the UK where EV's are starting to have a real impact.
I have a request for help/advise on conversions - We are specialists in
Porsche 911 pre 89 models(euro spec) and want to convert a number of
these to EV. The weight of the 911 dry, ie with all ICE component
removed and lightweight replacements panels is 725kg 1600 lbs. We need a
range of about 60 miles maybe less and acceleration under 8 secs. Advice
on best of bread for motor configuration, controllers, chargers etc...
would be real helpful.
A recommendation for appropriate battery configuration, number, Amp hr,
type and manufacturer would also be very helpful, we shall have to
source these in the UK. Also consider the climate here in much cooler
averaging 5-10c for 3 months this will naturally effect the performance
of batteries so if you have a solution please let me know.
thanks in advance..
Chris
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:54:22 -0300
From: Eduardo Kaftanski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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I have only one design item missing from my future EV: the charger.
I plan on using 48 or 72V in 8volt Trojan Floodeds. I can live with a
'badboy' or 'uglybox' type of home made charger. I have 220/10amp to
hookup to always (no 110volt in Chile and 220/16amp are scarse)
What would you recomend? I was hoping I could build my own and make
it at least semi-automatic.
thanks,
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eduardo, I'm no expert in this field. I'm actually asking the 'list' for
advise. Have you looked here http://www.austinev.org/
Chris
Eduardo Kaftanski wrote:
>I have only one design item missing from my future EV: the charger.
>
>I plan on using 48 or 72V in 8volt Trojan Floodeds. I can live with a
>'badboy' or 'uglybox' type of home made charger. I have 220/10amp to
>hookup to always (no 110volt in Chile and 220/16amp are scarse)
>
>What would you recomend? I was hoping I could build my own and make
>it at least semi-automatic.
>
>thanks,
>
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 18:16:54 +0200
From: "Kaido Kert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: Chevy VOLT
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Some very pointed questions were asked from GM reps by AutoblogGreen
intreviews. First up, Dave Barthmuss, questions by ABG
http://www.autobloggreen.com/2007/01/09/detroit-auto-show-autobloggreen-qanda-with-dave-barthmuss/
The spicy one is with Bob Lutz, questions by various bloggers:
http://www.autobloggreen.com/2007/01/09/detroit-auto-show-bob-lutz-holds-court-with-bloggers/
Pointed questions about previous IP investments in battery technology
.. which he denied.
-kert
On 1/9/07, Cor van de Water <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Think about it:
>
> The tremendous successful and shaming-all-US-automakers Prius
> from Toyota was kick-started because of rumors and announcements
> by US law makers and US car manufacturers, so Toyota was afraid
> they would be too late if they did not quickly allocate a good
> team of engineers to develop clean car technology.
>
> GM c.s. succeeded in killing the EV mandate eventually, while
> Toyota successfully rolled out the Hybrid cars....
>
> Today we have a new ZEV mandate by CARB (for California and 10
> other states) also allowing requirements for PZEVs, such as
> Hybrids. US car makers are showing prototypes of cars that
> could become available in 3 to 5 years....
> What would happen if GM did NOT pursue their electric drivetrain?
>
> Yep - Toyota is approximately on par with GM as biggest car maker
> so with a new mistake from GM, Toyota could be the world leader
> in car manufacturing and give all gas guzzler builders their niche.
>
> I have the feeling that GM cannot afford to make the same mistake.
>
> Also I doubt that the CARB mandate will be killed again.
>
> Time will tell, as always. We live in interesting times.
>
> Cor van de Water
> Systems Architect
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Mike Willmon
> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 1:50 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Chevy VOLT
>
>
> Cor,
> I followed up my e-mail with the reply below. It just hasn't made it yet.
> I suspect if they don't want to build them they will
> continue with the "batteries are not there yet" excuse; no matter what their
> poll says. It is public however so this bodes well
> for the message. However I kinda think they can't afford to miss the boat
> this time. But I still don't think they care about an
> oil free or pollution free interest.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mike Willmon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 12:07 AM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: RE: Chevy VOLT
> >
> >
> > I stand corrected, they do show the results.
> > I voted Yes and Yes BTW...weelll I would consider it.
>
>
From: Matt Milliron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: a way to lower aerodynamic drag
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 10:44:18 -0600
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> The original demonstration was using a scratch awl into the laquer on a
> sphere. This and a smooth sphere were mounted to a beam balance with
> each sphere in an adjustable air stream. Sound familiar?
>
Golf Balls!
R. M. Milliron
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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 11:09:21 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Re: EV patent on eBay
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What a clever idea. Apply for a patent and then sell the "Patent Pending"
idea quick before it gets denied.
Gotta love these scammers.
> Unless I am mistaken, this item for sale on eBay appears to be a patent
> for
> perpetual motion:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120072860714
>
>
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Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 09:32:02 -0800
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>He said that the VOLT was the centerpiece of GM's display and the
>most popular display at the show. He also said that he spoke with
>Bob Lutz who swore that this is for real and that GM is committed to
>producing this type of vehicle.
Yeah. They said the same thing about the Impact/EV1.
Shari Prange
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Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 23:04:45 -0600
From: Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Paul G. wrote:
> I figure the caps in my [controller] must have around 4 years with
> voltage on them... What kind of life would a 180 volt electrolytic cap
> sitting cool
> (vehicle not running) with a 130 volt charge on it have?
The reliability of an electrolytic capacitor is mainly determined by a)
temperature, b) ripple current, and c). The manufacturer usually states
the expected life at a particular temperature, voltage and ripple
current; it's up to you to apply correction factors for other operating
conditions.
A typical spec would be "1000 hours at 85 deg.C, rated voltage, and
rated ripple current". Now, 1000 hours is very short (just 42 days)! But
no sane designer will use the part right at these maximum ratings.
Temperature: The life doubles for every 10 deg.C reduction in
temperature. So at full voltage and full ripple current but at lower
temperatures it would last:
- 2000 hours at 75 deg.C
- 4000 hours at 65 deg.C
- 8000 hours at 55 deg.C
- 16,000 hours at 45 deg.C
- 32,000 hours at 35 deg.C
- 64,000 hours at 25 deg.C
Ripple current: Ripple current and the capacitor's internal resistance
produce heat (Power = I^2 x R). This heat raises the capacitor's
temperature by 10-30 deg.C. So, ripple current reduces life by raising
the capacitor's temperature above that of the surrounding ambient.
Voltage: Life is shortest at full rated voltage. Operating it at 90% of
rated voltage makes it last 1.2 times longer; at 80% of rated voltage it
lasts about 1.5 times longer.
Let's say your controller has capacitors rated for 1000 hours at 200vdc,
85 deg.C, and 100 amps total ripple current. How long would we expect
them to last if left sitting at 130vdc, 25 deg.C, and 0 ripple current
(i.e. just parked but with the controller left energized).
1. Going from 85 to 25 deg.C is a 60 deg.C reduction, which extends
life by 2^6. 1000 hrs x 2^6 = 64,000 hours.
2. Going from max to 0 ripple current lowers internal temperature
(say) 20 deg.C, for 2^2 more life. 64,000 x 2^2 = 256,000 hours.
3. Operating at less than 80% of rated voltage extends life by 1.5.
256,000 hours x 1.5 = 384,000 hours or 44 years.
So, you don't have to worry much about this killing the capacitors! :-)
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Sounds awesome! I think the 911 should make for a great donor car (that's what
I bought to convert). Hopefully you'll put up a web page about your conversions.
Probably the best guy to talk to is Steve Clunn, http://www.grassrootsev.com .
He has an electric 911 running. http://www.evalbum.com lists a couple of other
911 conversions, but I haven't heard much about them.
What kind of budget are you thinking? http://www.acpropulsion.com will sell you
wonderful equipment, and they have built some very fast cars, but expensive.
The NEDRA racers have done some amazingly fast cars on a budget, their hot
ticket seems to be 2 motors and a full load of Orbital batteries and a Godzilla
controller (http://www.cafeelectric.com).
Most folks using lead acid batteries in cool climates insulate the battery
boxes, and cold climates will add battery heaters too.
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From: chris lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
...
I have a request for help/advise on conversions - We are specialists in
Porsche 911 pre 89 models(euro spec) and want to convert a number of
these to EV. The weight of the 911 dry, ie with all ICE component
removed and lightweight replacements panels is 725kg 1600 lbs. We need a
range of about 60 miles maybe less and acceleration under 8 secs. Advice
on best of bread for motor configuration, controllers, chargers etc...
would be real helpful.
A recommendation for appropriate battery configuration, number, Amp hr,
type and manufacturer would also be very helpful, we shall have to
source these in the UK. Also consider the climate here in much cooler
averaging 5-10c for 3 months this will naturally effect the performance
of batteries so if you have a solution please let me know.
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Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 10:17:13 -0800
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These are listed as "turbine starter" batteries, and are not really
suited to EV (deep discharge) usage.
You might get some cycles out of them. If they're free, it might be
worth it; of course, you have to deal with the weird connector, plus
balancing, as any regs you have won't work, unless they're 24V.
Jennifer Herzberg wrote:
> Hello, I have access to some Concorde RG380E/44 24 volt 42 AH AGM
> aviation batteries that have been taken out of service. Can I run
> into any problems using them in my 93 GEO 144 volt Solectria? What
> would be the optimal way to test these batteries individually before I
> install them in the Geo. The aviation battery terminals are another
> challenge I could use some input on.
> Thank you,
> Alan
>
>
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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 14:51:39 EST
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Most people would not know or think about the following. I have to admit the
slick response the S-10 was not built as a ground up EV does at first sound
reasonable. However this answer from GM Dave Barthmuss is vague and for good
reason. They do not want you to consider the following.
The questions by ABG and the answer given below side steps why then did GM
sell the S-10 EV? Many of the 2000 unique parts of the EV1 were in the same
running gear as the truck. Interesting comment since GM has stopped supplying
the brake vacuum pump for the S-10 EV. They have discontinued a critical
safety part for the S-10 EV. The S-10 EV was a vehicle they sold but where are
the
parts as they claim must be done to sell a vehicle? These are not just any
parts they are critical parts.
A vacuum pump failure in the EV1 would be unsafe but what about the S-10
EV? An EV1 weight was 3000 pounds to have a truck that weighs 4500 pounds
without brakes is not a problem? Which vehicle would be more of a safety
hazard to
others around them?
It is a catch 22 here for GM. If you say the EV1 was not safe due to lack of
parts then this statement must apply to the S-10. There is a lack of
replacement critical safety parts for the S-10 EV. Does anyone believe GM
would now
say the S-10 EV is an unsafe vehicle they sold? Just as there was no recall
notice on the S-10 there would have been none on the EV1 had they sold it as
well. This is all just smoke and mirrors. The illusion is not real but they
hope enough people do not question how ridiculous of an excuse this is.
As for GM commitment. Consider that a small dedicated company such as EV
Bones has been able to keep the S-10 EV trucks on the road scattered out all
over the United States. Sorry GM your excuse is just lame.
Here is the GM interview
_http://www.autobloggreen.com/2007/01/09/detroit-auto-show-autobloggreen-qanda
-with-dave-barthmuss/_
(http://www.autobloggreen.com/2007/01/09/detroit-auto-show-autobloggreen-qanda-with-dave-barthmuss/)
It would be great if the Volt is really going to be built and for sale. I
will believe it though when I see it in a dealership.
Don Blazer
1998 S-10 EV
DB: There was a reason that we did not allow those vehicles that came off
lease expiration not to be purchased. We did not have the parts that we could
keep those vehicles serviced and maintained in a safe manner. We were not
building a gasoline version of the EV1 where we were continuing to make parts.
There were 2,000 unique parts on the EV1. One of them controlled the brakes.
If
that part failed, it was a serious danger to the driver and to those around
them. Our parts suppliers left GM because we couldn't order parts from them
and have enough volume to make it vital for them to move forward with us.
In a message dated 1/9/2007 8:18:21 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Some very pointed questions were asked from GM reps by AutoblogGreen
intreviews. First up, Dave Barthmuss, questions by ABG
http://www.autobloggreen.com/2007/01/09/detroit-auto-show-autobloggreen-qanda-
with-dave-barthmuss/
The spicy one is with Bob Lutz, questions by various bloggers:
http://www.autobloggreen.com/2007/01/09/detroit-auto-show-bob-lutz-holds-court
-with-bloggers/
Pointed questions about previous IP investments in battery technology
.. which he denied.
-kert
On 1/9/07, Cor van de Water <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Think about it:
>
> The tremendous successful and shaming-all-US-automakers Prius
> from Toyota was kick-started because of rumors and announcements
> by US law makers and US car manufacturers, so Toyota was afraid
> they would be too late if they did not quickly allocate a good
> team of engineers to develop clean car technology.
>
> GM c.s. succeeded in killing the EV mandate eventually, while
> Toyota successfully rolled out the Hybrid cars....
>
> Today we have a new ZEV mandate by CARB (for California and 10
> other states) also allowing requirements for PZEVs, such as
> Hybrids. US car makers are showing prototypes of cars that
> could become available in 3 to 5 years....
> What would happen if GM did NOT pursue their electric drivetrain?
>
> Yep - Toyota is approximately on par with GM as biggest car maker
> so with a new mistake from GM, Toyota could be the world leader
> in car manufacturing and give all gas guzzler builders their niche.
>
> I have the feeling that GM cannot afford to make the same mistake.
>
> Also I doubt that the CARB mandate will be killed again.
>
> Time will tell, as always. We live in interesting times.
>
> Cor van de Water
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Mike Willmon
> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 1:50 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Chevy VOLT
>
>
> Cor,
> I followed up my e-mail with the reply below. It just hasn't made it yet.
> I suspect if they don't want to build them they will
> continue with the "batteries are not there yet" excuse; no matter what
their
> poll says. It is public however so this bodes well
> for the message. However I kinda think they can't afford to miss the boat
> this time. But I still don't think they care about an
> oil free or pollution free interest.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mike Willmon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 12:07 AM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: RE: Chevy VOLT
> >
> >
> > I stand corrected, they do show the results.
> > I voted Yes and Yes BTW...weelll I would consider it.
>
>
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