EV Digest 6307
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: BBS?
by "Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: Charging while driving [JGS-EV]
by "Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: Volt video
by "Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: WAS :EV costs, NOW:Motor nomenclature
by "Ryan Stotts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: DC-DC Converter? (was Charging while driving [JGS-EV])
by Rich Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: Volt video (GE Logo)
by Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: BBS?
by Ralph Merwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: Battery Beach Burnout Attendees
by <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: BBS?
by "Rush" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: BBS?
by "John G. Lussmyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: more EVs
by <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) RE: BBS?
by Don Cameron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: KillaCycle on the cover "RC Driver Magazine" March 2007
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: newbie question re etek/curtis combo
by Jeff Major <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: WAS :EV costs, NOW:Motor nomenclature
by Jeff Major <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: controller/motor match
by Jeff Major <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: BBS?
by "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) RE: Charging while driving [JGS-EV]
by "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: BBS?
by "Darin - MetroMPG.com" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: BBS?
by "Rush" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) RE: BBS?and BBB
by "Myles Twete" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: Left Coast....
by Reverend Gadget <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: Todd PC40
by <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: BBS?
by qmail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Re: Left Coast
by Reverend Gadget <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) NEDRA in Hot Rod magazine...
by "David (Battery Boy) Hawkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
27) Re: Price,
availability Re: Electric Rate Increase Effective January 1
by "Michael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
28) Funding a conversion
by "Brandon Kruger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
29) BB600's in the snow on youtube
by "damon henry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
30) Re: Price, availability Re: Electric Rate Increase Effective January 1
by "Brandon Kruger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
31) Re: BBS?
by Storm Connors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
32) RE: Price, availability Re: Electric Rate Increase Effective
January 1
by "Roger Stockton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
33) RE: For those that miss the ICE rev
by Sam Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
34) Re: NEDRA in Hot Rod magazine...
by "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Would it not be trivial to just have the EVDL messages pumped
directly onto the BBS to suit everyone ?
I'm not sure what the message structure is of the current list, if
threads can be kept intact and categorised, but even if they can't it
would act as an effective archive.
>From a newcomers point of view to the list, I would hate to see this
become one of those imature 'this system or that ?' situations, we
CAN do both at once surely ?
Chris
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Martin K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Brian M. Sutin wrote:
> >> This listserv really should be changed over to a BBS. I think
I'm gonna
> >> opt out given the volume to topic ratio without any way to
categorize
> >> the topics.
> >>
> >
> > I agree. In fact, I would be happy to create to create a domain
and put
> > up a forum, which would take a few days at most and cost
nothing. On the
> > other hand, I suspect that many of the people who read this won't
switch
> > over, and the only result would be to dilute the community.
Unless the
> > list mavens promised to pull the plug on the list once the forum
were in
> > place, creating a forum isn't really very productive.
> >
> > As a suggestion, Switch to digest mode. That's only 1-3 emails a
day.
> >
> > Brian
> >
> >
> Suggested countless times, never succeeds. The method I prefer is
to
> receive individual emails and use my MUA (mail client program) to
filter
> the evdl messages into a separate folder so I can read the ev list
as I
> have time and more important emails don't get swamped. It's really
the
> only way if you use your email address for discussion lists as well
as
> personal communication.
> --
> Martin K
>
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I think you'r right to consider efficiencies and emmissions Jurgen, but
if it were me, and I had one of those nice MASE silent marine diesel
gensets to hand I wouldn't hesitate to install it if i had room and the
weight carrying ability.
The reality is I'm never going to have one due to the cost but the
genset idea is still valid, but limited with low output units.
Chris
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jurgen Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Thanks to all for the feedback. I readily admit to being a very new
EVer
> so will be asking basic questions that I can not readily find answers
to
> in the archives or EV sites. I appreciate your patience and look
forward
> to sharing my experiences as I proceed with this project.
>
> I had not thought about the environmental impact of the generator gas
> engine - oops, duh! Of course, why am I building an EV in the first
place?
>
> Thanks again.
>
> Jurgen Schmidt
>
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I get the feeling we're about to fall into a period of multistandards
and confusion.
Just as Tape took over from vinyl, and CD's followed on, and then now
we have various digital music file formats, and then Blue ray cd's we
will need to have smart chargers, probably on board, which can detect
an outlet's supply capability and adapt to that.
The only requirement with gasoline is that the car is underneath the
nozzle outlet and gravity does the rest.
As for the noise and the slow speed, I wouldn't be surprised if it
wasn't as someone has already said, just a basic mockup, or if it
isn't something to do with the fact that it doesn't give anything
away to the competition.
It does show that they are committed to the idea. Wether that is by
choice or by the fact that they have heard something of other
manufacturers work doesn't matter too much, the idea is public
property, and it's certainly the most committed statement you could
expect any company to put together.
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Ryan Stotts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> It makes a lot more noise then I thought it would. Any guesses as
to
> the source of the noise? I thought at first maybe it was some
> unrelated vehicle off in the distance making that noise. Maybe the
> generator was running?
>
> http://www.autospies.com/news/DETROIT-AUTO-SHOW-GM-Volt-Concept-in-
Action-11478/
>
> Direct link?
>
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1791839763235205955
>
> This is one those corporate videos we usually don't get to see(I
like
> this type of material). I wish we had access to the archives the
> OEM's have on their vehicle development footage.
>
> The first guy that does some talking, his name is Tony Posawatz. It
> would be neat if we could get his email and offer EV
ideas/information
> to him. He could make things happen.
>
> Near the end of the video, there is what looks to be a GE logo on
> something shiny on the car.
>
> http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/5900/gehg6.jpg
>
> Is it? Why and what involvement might they have in this?
>
> I get the impression that GM would make this Volt a full blown
> electric if only they could get the range out of it like they are
> suggesting it will get with the generator setup(650 miles). 40 on
the
> pack.. Which is ok with me, but during the assembly video, I like
it
> till they drop that maintenance prone ICE in it. It's nice and
simple
> with just the electric motor and pack.
>
> A good video overall. I think somewhere in the video, they allude
to
> the vehicle as being a newer or modern or more capable EV1?
>
> Did you all ever see this?
>
> http://www.scaled.com/projects/gmcar.html
>
> It seems the gasoline engine is a hard sell these days(everyone
sells
> them). If they would make something that was new or different and
it
> was better and or cheaper, it would sell well and easily.
>
> Take two vehicles side by side. Be they Cobalts or Focuses. One
the
> current gas model and the other, same options but electric motor and
> pack with charger. It just seems most logical that the electric
would
> be cheaper to build when one considers the many pieces it takes to
> assemble the ICE motor and all of it's support systems. Now if this
> electric version was cheaper, and/or faster, it would have to sell
> better hands down. The range though. I imagine there is some magic
> number which the average person would accept. I'm sure some survey,
> poll, or market research or study could determine what that magic
> number is.
>
> A123 should do a conversion and load that vehicle up with their
> batteries and see how much range they can get out of it.
>
> "Look GM, 300 miles on one charge!"
>
> Have Rudman whip up a fast charge charger.. I've got 480V outlets
all
> over the place at both school AND work. Both indoors and outdoors.
> At work, we even have outlets marked for 440!
>
> I think Rudman even has 480 at his workplace. Now just mod a PFC-50
> to handle 480V... what kind of amps would it put out?
>
> What comes next after 480 and how much $$$? Don't think we can't
> because this is the future, and in the future, we have things like
> that. A high tech, high powered world. Don't think 220V at the
home
> is the end all be all.
>
> I still like that idea Neon John had of having Wal-Mart(and
everywhere
> else) install a credit card reader and power outlets on their light
> poles.
>
> At work, they have a lot of NEV's. The breaker is right next to the
> outlet. Trip the breaker? No problem! Plus, every outlet in the
> building is clearly labeled as being 110, 220, etc. They really
ought
> to mention the amps too, but I guess right now it's not common place
> to plug something in that has the capability and potential to draw
> full current through an outlet(PFC Charger).
>
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Chris wrote:
If someone has a minute could they describe what this diameter
relates to, is it the rotor diameter or the outer case. I thought it
might be the outer case but then a six inch motor would only have a
very small rotor compared to some of the motors I've seen
It's the case:
http://www.evsource.com/tls_motors.php
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On Mon, 2007-01-15 at 20:07 -0800, Bruce Weisenberger wrote:
> The Alternator provides all the power to an
> ICE electrical system. Once the Car is started it will
> run without a battery. The Alternator provide a
> recharge to the battery while providing power to run
> the rest of the Vehicle. The Voltage regulator provide
> the switch to recharge the battery and maintain it.
> However the battery is only used during the initial
> starting of the vehicle or when it is off.
How does a DC-DC converter and an auxiliary battery work in an EV?
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Ge is a major manufacture of plastics, Specifically they are the makers
of "lexan" (Polycarbonate The clear shiny hard plastics).
In the release video, they mention advances in plastic as one of the
enabling technologies for this vehicle.
Personally I hope they didn't use lexan, but some other clear plastic
like PETG(2 liter bottle material), Lexan is damaged if it contacts
grease and other petroleam products and although the EV doesn't need
grease it may be hard to eliminate it from the workplace and the
cleaning products.
I have bit my lip in one are since this thing started, Hopeing it is
just concept car fluff, But What is going on with those plastic covers
over the bottom half of the windows? Has anyone seen a window rolled
down at all? perhaps someone resting their arm inside that cowling? It
is obviously a separate piece, What happens when it rains? Personally I
think the car looks a little silly, like someone was trying to make it
look like those new Chryslers.
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Chris writes:
>
> Would it not be trivial to just have the EVDL messages pumped
> directly onto the BBS to suit everyone ?
Some archive sites appear to be setup this way. You can read EVDL
messages but not reply to them.
However, it would not be good to feed the 'BBS' messages back to the
EVDL, because they'd get forwarded to the 'BBS', then back to the
EDVL, etc. So it would be a one-way feed from the EVDL to the 'BBS',
making it difficult to have any conversations (as with the archives
mentioned above).
(It might be possible for the 'BBS' to tag incoming EVDL messages
with a special header line that the 'BBS' could use to filter
outgoing messages, hopefully preventing the message feedback
problem.)
> >From a newcomers point of view to the list, I would hate to see this
> become one of those imature 'this system or that ?' situations, we
> CAN do both at once surely ?
There doesn't need to be any discussion. Some people prefer the
current mailing list format, some don't. It doesn't matter why.
If you don't like the current format, set something else up and
post the information in the EVDL.
Ralph
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I'm about 40 miles north of BBB and was talking to a few people about camping
out at my shop the night before ( shop is out in the woods , lots of parking (
20 cars there now ) but no bathroom or shower ,, hose and cold water... ,,,,
Its still up in the air ,,, I think there is camping at the strip ,, also ,,, I
have a pleace I can stay 10 miles away ,,,, so what are the plans for friday
amd saterday night ,,, I'll be back sunday night sooooo camping at the shop ,,
thrisday and sunday ?
> From: "BFRListmail" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2007/01/15 Mon PM 10:42:18 EST
> To: <[email protected]>
> Subject: Battery Beach Burnout Attendees
>
> OK. I'll be departing in just under 9 days.
>
> Bringing the Piranha and the scooter for scootercross - name still under wraps
>
> Who else is going?
>
> I'm sure the entire Florida area of EVers.
>
> Looking forward to seeing Cliff's Electric Imp
>
> See you there!
>
> Darin
> BadFishRacing
>
>
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What are the advantages/disadvantages of having a web based forum for someone
with a dialup service?
Rush
Tucson AZ
www.ironandwood.org
www.Airphibian.com
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At 06:57 AM 1/16/2007, Rush wrote:
What are the advantages/disadvantages of having a web based forum
for someone with a dialup service?
WEB - lots of graphics, REALLY SLOW.
Email - No graphics (due to no attachments), reasonably fast.
--
John G. Lussmyer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dragons soar and Tigers prowl while I dream....
http://www.CasaDelGato.com
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Hi Sharon ,, Ithink your combonation of parts is a good mix for people looking
to get into ev's , do you offer different packages for different parts ,
People talke about it being hard to make a business of converting car/truck to
electric but you have found a way , I'm also getting more business and may
have to stop mowing lawns ,
Steve Clunn , . .. ,
>
> From: Sharon G Alexander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2007/01/15 Mon PM 07:32:37 EST
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: more EVs
>
> Hi, just to say hello after a long time away, we have done another EV, sent
> it to KC. doing one more in the shop now, and have one more comeing next
> week. Seems like its going to be a good year again. 27 so far. Sharon
> www.ev-blue.com
>
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I think the group is missing the point - you can have both with a single
service! For example, Yahoo has both web and email. I am sure there are
other examples.
* So all the people who like email can still receive email, and NEVER have
to look at the web. No icons, pictures or anything - just straight ASCII.
* All the people who like web can use the web. Threads are separate, better
searching, post pictures and files.
If anyone puts effort into this, the only way it will be successful is to
keep the current email system from SJSU, but put a web based interface to it
for the users who want web access.
Don Cameron, Victoria, BC, Canada
see the New Beetle EV project www.cameronsoftware.com/ev
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man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit
belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by
dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short
again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming,
but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself
for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high
achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while
daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid
souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." - Teddy Roosevelt
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John G. Lussmyer
Sent: January 16, 2007 7:07 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: BBS?
At 06:57 AM 1/16/2007, Rush wrote:
>What are the advantages/disadvantages of having a web based forum for
>someone with a dialup service?
WEB - lots of graphics, REALLY SLOW.
Email - No graphics (due to no attachments), reasonably fast.
--
John G. Lussmyer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dragons soar and Tigers prowl while I dream....
http://www.CasaDelGato.com
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> The RC people I've met before, I've tried to interest them in taking
> their electric car hobby to the next level and build a road going
> electric. Their response and expression is always
> amusing(confused/don't know what to say). I don't know what their
> deal is or why they don't find the idea more interesting or appealing.
Could be the cost and the danger. Just a thought. Lawrence Rhodes...
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Hi Green,
Why are you using a clutch? And, I think your controller has a freewheel
inside.
Jeff
Green VW <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I have been reading recent posts regarding the etek and curtis
controller combo. I am working on an electric motorcycle project which
uses an etek with an older golftech converted curtis 48v 450amp
controller and a Comet cvt style clutch. When releasing the throttle,
the belt stays engaged for a few seconds keeping the etek turning for a
few seconds on coast down. Do I need a freewheel diode? If i do, is
this added inline in the power cables or is this an internal
modification to the curtis? Does anyone know where to purchase what is
needed or in the case of an internal mod, does anyone know of a company
to make the modification?
thanks
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Chris,
It is the outer diameter of the motor frame. This is easy to measure without
disassembly. The 6.6 inch diameter motor usually has a armature (or rotor)
diameter of 4 to 4.5 inches. Of course this depends on motor type and
manufacturer. The actual torque producing capability of a motor is more
related to the rotor diameter than the outer frame diameter. But in most
cases, the larger frame has a larger rotor. Hope this helps.
Jeff
Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
If someone has a minute could they describe what this diameter
relates to, is it the rotor diameter or the outer case. I thoguht it
migh be the outer case but then a six inch motor would only have a
very small rotor compared to some of the motors I've seen
Chris
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Paul G." wrote:
>
> One thing has grabbed my attention over a number of different
threads.
> The same idea is in this thread too.
>
> Why the 13 inch motor??
>
> A motor converts electrical power into shaft horsepower. Nothing
more
> or less except for a *slight* difference in efficiency. Large
motors
> tend to make more torque per amp, but in turn less rpm per volt
(and
> cost much more.) The racing crowd has enough trouble getting the
launch
> torque of a single 8 inch ADC at 2000 amps to the ground without
broken
> parts (something around 350 ft/lb. of torque at 0 rpm.) Unless the
EV
> is very heavy a 9 inch motor around 150 lb. will handle the power
> without overheating (even the 4300 lb. Red Beastie only used a
single 9
> inch ADC motor.)
>
> I see around $3000 more motor than most EVs will ever need.
>
> >>> Ryan wrote,
> >>> My yet to be bought items:
> >>>
> >>> $4900 * 13" WarP
> >>> $4850 * Zilla
> >>> $1550 * PFC-20 (minimum, PFC40/50+ likely, 75 even..)
> >>> $2250 * Odyssey PC680 (30ct) ($5040 for 60, 2 strings @
> >>> 360V total) ---------
> >>> $13,550
> >>>
> >>> Will these prices never be any lower?
>
> Paul "neon" G.
>
> WAR IS PEACE
> FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
> IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
> George Orwell, "1984"
>
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Hi Carl,
Most golf car motors referred to as "regen" are separately excited and
require a separately excited controller. I am not familiar with Yamaha
controllers. Curtis and Sevcon make controllers for separately excited motors.
You will need to program the controller to match the motor and application. I
have done this with a GE Club Car sep-ex motor and could help.
Jeff
Carl Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi List,
I have a 48v regen motor from a 2000 Club Car golf cart and a YAMAHA 48 VOLT
G-19 controller. I am converting a motorcycle and would like to pair these but
am wondering if anyone can tell me whether they will match well or I should
wait to find a either a Club Car controller or a Yamaha motor to match the
other.
Thanks
Carl
Denver
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> Chris writes:
>>
>> Would it not be trivial to just have the EVDL messages pumped
>> directly onto the BBS to suit everyone ?
>
> Some archive sites appear to be setup this way. You can read EVDL
> messages but not reply to them.
>
> However, it would not be good to feed the 'BBS' messages back to the
> EVDL, because they'd get forwarded to the 'BBS', then back to the
> EDVL, etc. So it would be a one-way feed from the EVDL to the 'BBS',
> making it difficult to have any conversations (as with the archives
> mentioned above).
Not true, at least not if the programmer has even a little skill. It's
pretty trivial to have messages posted directly to the BBS get sent to the
EVDL without having messages sent from the EVDL returned to it.
Using the message id info you can also avoid posting messages returned
from the evdl on the BBS.
That being said, it seems to me that BBS's are much easier to spam than
the current EVDL. If you put up a BBS someone will figure out a way to
automate spamming it.
About 5 years ago I made a guestbook script as part of a college project.
Just for fun I put all my old projects on my website. About a year later
someone found the guestbook, hidden several layers down in old pages, and
started spamming it.
I wasn't monitoring the guestbook, so I didn't find out about this for a
couple weeks...went my system ran out of resources due to the size of my
guestbook.
I took it off line. To this day I still see attemps to post to my,
non-existent, guestbook.
My point is, if you are going to build a BBS and link it to the EVDL, make
it somewhat complicated to sign up and do something to insure that they
can't make an automated script for signing up. Spammers are lazy, so if
they have to work to sign up every time, they usually won't bother.
>
> (It might be possible for the 'BBS' to tag incoming EVDL messages
> with a special header line that the 'BBS' could use to filter
> outgoing messages, hopefully preventing the message feedback
> problem.)
>
>
>> >From a newcomers point of view to the list, I would hate to see this
>> become one of those imature 'this system or that ?' situations, we
>> CAN do both at once surely ?
>
> There doesn't need to be any discussion. Some people prefer the
> current mailing list format, some don't. It doesn't matter why.
> If you don't like the current format, set something else up and
> post the information in the EVDL.
>
> Ralph
>
>
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If you send email to me, or the EVDL, that has > 4 lines of legalistic
junk at the end; then you are specifically authorizing me to do whatever I
wish with the message. By posting the message you agree that your long
legalistic signature is void.
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>> Some folks have tried this in the past and destroyed their controllers.
>> I'm not sure why, but I wouldn't advise trying it until you can find out
>> what went wrong and how to avoid it.
>
> I think they forgot that when the let up on the accelerator, the
> generator will send all its power into the batteries.
> If they just start driving (or even before they start driving
> and fire up the generator just before taking off) the batteries
> cannot handle all the current while they are full and can go well
> beyond 15V per battery (I have seen AGM batteries go above 16V
> with only 10A current)
That's why they run the generator through the charger. The charger takes
care of regulating the charging current & voltage.
As I recall, they suspected some kind of high level voltage spikes coming
from the generator that somehow go through the charger.
I think John Wayland was one of the folks that tried this and toasted
something. I believe he was using one of Rich's PFC chargers and one of
Otmar's controllers, but I'm not sure.
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If you send email to me, or the EVDL, that has > 4 lines of legalistic
junk at the end; then you are specifically authorizing me to do whatever I
wish with the message. By posting the message you agree that your long
legalistic signature is void.
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David Roden wrote:
That's the problem with >>any<< resource on the internet. These days, the
din is deafening. It'd be interesting for some of our more recent members
to report on how they discovered the list.
Through Jerry and his great website: http://evconvert.com
My newb perspective: I would much prefer a web based forum, but only
*with* the e-mail subscription/notification option. The web is a richer
experience (which doesn't automatically mean overwhelmingly slow, as
some seem to fear - besides, this list already has its own "slow"
delivery problems). But I also agree that the e-mail delivery of posts
is a much better way to be "actively" reminded of what's being discussed
(vs. having to remember to go check a web site).
That said, the overriding thing that influences whether I read/yak to a
particular forum or not isn't the platform/delivery method - it's the
quality of the people on it. If the quality people stay here, through
inertia or will, that pretty much settles it for me (unless a hybrid
approach appears that seamlessly integrates the existing list & new
fangled web platform).
Darin
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John, I knew the answer, I just like playing devils' advocate <G>...
So unless we can find a way to satisfy our dialup based members I think it is a
web based forum is totally out of the question.
That's my 1/5 of a KW worth.
Rush
Tucson AZ
www.ironandwood.org
www.Airphibian.com
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From: "John G. Lussmyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: BBS?
> At 06:57 AM 1/16/2007, Rush wrote:
>>What are the advantages/disadvantages of having a web based forum
>>for someone with a dialup service?
>
> WEB - lots of graphics, REALLY SLOW.
> Email - No graphics (due to no attachments), reasonably fast.
>
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> John G. Lussmyer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Dragons soar and Tigers prowl while I dream.... http://www.CasaDelGato.com
>
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I came on the list in early '93...probably have saved messages from mid '93,
but it's saved in Eudora or Pegasus mail....
> > The funny thing about all this is; in ten more years, this list will
> > probably still exist and still be going and most of us will still be
> > using it. Who's been on here since `91 or close to that?
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what happened with the lithium batteries? I recall it
was with great
fanfare the announcement was made
http://biz.yahoo.com/iw/061011/0171396.html
Jack
Since I can't go into details, let's just say that the
company is not ready for prime time yet. However they
did put out a great press release. In the meantime we
are negociating with a couple of other battery
companies.
Gadget
visit my websites at www.reverendgadget.com,
and coming soon leftcoastelectic.com
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>
> From: "Rush" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2007/01/15 Mon PM 09:33:02 EST
> To: <[email protected]>
> Subject: Todd PC40
>
> Hi,
>
> I am using a Todd PC40.
>
> For a HIGHER voltage pack (168vdc or more)
> - replace IRF740 MOSFETs with higher voltage rated parts
> - replace MUR460 snubbing diodes with higher voltage rated parts
> - replace 200vdc filter capacitors with higher voltage rated parts
>
> Anything else I missed?
>
Yes , there are two resistors that drop the hi input voltage down to power
the chip , for higher voltage they wouuld have to be bigger ... ( more R ) I
was looking a a scamitic that Lee wrote out and was also thinking about what
needed to be done to rase the voltage ,,, Let us know how it truns out ..
Steve Clunn
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I don't know about that. I use a program called phpBB2 that is a
bulletin board system with e-mail notification of postings. I think it
is a great resource.
Yes, the first time you connect to it, it *CAN* be slow, because if the
moderator has chosen a graphicly intensive "theme" then you have a lot
to download. BUT if the theme is kept simple, and Avatars are either
eliminated or kept very, very small, then the load time should be pretty
good.
I've used the one I have over dialup, and it is very graphically
intensive, but I would not say it is unusable. And after the first
time, with all the graphics and avatars cached, it is pretty quick.
Just my .02v
James
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Hey Reverend, how'd Cheech Marin's electric lowrider
turn out?
Tommy Chong, Tommy Chong!...
The car is done but we haven't been able to drive it
yet. The entire brake system was missing! I'm waiting
to get the car back to take it for a test drive. I'll
post the test drive on YouTube.
Gadget
visit my websites at www.reverendgadget.com,
and coming soon leftcoastelectic.com
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All,
The only volunteer gig that I'm currently doing (having been burned out on
10+ years of youth-sports volunteer work!), is to dig through the recycling
bin at the post office to remove the trash and plastic, prior to hauling it
to the drop-off center. Anyway, I'm always scoring on magazines and
catalogs (cars, tools, and electronics, of course!), and the other day I
pulled out the March, 2007 edition of Hot Rod. Last night after doing
chores I finally cracked the mag open and was surprised to see a page
devoted to NEDRA (National Electric Drag Racing Association), Motorsport Of
The Month on page 40 to be exact. I'm wondering if someone contacted the
mag (the Wilde man?), or if they stumbled on the website? I haven't had Hot
Rod mags around since the 60's, but maybe I'll have to subscribe and also
write a positive letter to the editor about the NEDRA plug!
Suck Amps,
BB
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> A reasonably fit individual can produce over 200 watts per hour, the
> average couch patato, about 1/2 of that.
> Considering that the average American (and most people in the other
> developed counries) could use an extra hour of exercise every day or so,
> this could be an excellent source of additional energy.
What is the conversion factor that I am missing? Folks have reported 300wH
for their 3000 lb+ EVs... but 2 people can deliver that power. Is that
perhaps 300wH per mile?
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Hello,
I'm hoping to start my conversion of my Dodge Shadow (
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/1033) this summer. I've found all the parts
I plan to use and totaled the prices. With my DC/PbA conversion, my
estimated cost is around $9000. Being a student, I do not have any way to
make this kind of money quickly or easily. So, I have been trying to figure
out how to raise this money and I came to thinking of sponsorship. Would it
be a good idea to go to my local power company and ask for them to fund this
"educational project" of mine? Should I also try contacting Trojan, Curtis,
ADC, etc.? Any advice for getting my car sponsored/paid for?
Thanks,
Brandon
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I know Chris Z likes to tells us about using his BB600 powered Elektrac to
blow his snow. This is how I put mine to use when we get a good snow event
in the Portland area like we did today. The kids love it, and there is
nothing like the silent power of electric in the snow.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEpY-wj-ZPc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH2ektQA1g8
damon
_________________________________________________________________
The MSN Entertainment Guide to Golden Globes is here. Get all the scoop.
http://tv.msn.com/tv/globes2007/?icid=nctagline2
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Here's a couple resources I found interesting when reading about human
power.
http://science.howstuffworks.com/question658.htm
http://www.ent.ohiou.edu/~et181/hpv/hpv.html - Shows HP figures
http://www.ent.ohiou.edu/~et181/hpv/hupgraph.gif - Graph of human power
output
As you can see, it depends how hard your willing to work, but with a pedal
generator, you can get a decent workout while putting out a useful amount of
power. Obviously its not enough power to run your EV, but it's still free
power and exercise.
Brandon
On 1/16/07, Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A reasonably fit individual can produce over 200 watts per hour, the
> average couch patato, about 1/2 of that.
> Considering that the average American (and most people in the other
> developed counries) could use an extra hour of exercise every day or so,
> this could be an excellent source of additional energy.
What is the conversion factor that I am missing? Folks have reported 300wH
for their 3000 lb+ EVs... but 2 people can deliver that power. Is that
perhaps 300wH per mile?
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I've been using http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/ev-list-archive to keep up.
The individual messages overwhelmed my email, so I "postponed" delivery. Having
the messages threaded makes reviewing them a little easier. Responding takes an
extra step.
Doesn't this satisfy the request for BBS or am I missing something?
storm
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Michael wrote:
> What is the conversion factor that I am missing? Folks have
> reported 300wH for their 3000 lb+ EVs... but 2 people can
> deliver that power. Is that perhaps 300wH per mile?
Correct. Energy consumption of EVs is typically specified in Watt-hours
per mile (Wh/mi) or Watt-hours per kilometer (Wh/km).
Going back to Peter's citation that a reasonably fit individual can
generate about 200W, this means that over about 1.5hrs an individual
could generate enough energy to move a typical 300Wh/mi EV a distance of
1 mile. Of course, this energy would have to be stored somehow for
later use, unless one is content to travel at 0.67mph (1mi in 1.5hrs)
;^>
Cheers,
Roger.
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Attach a MIDI (Musical Instrument Digital Interface) controller to the
throttle (electronically, not physically). Map pitch, volume, and any
other sound dynamic that you want to change in the sound to emulate the
hog sound you're after, which would start with a looped audio sample (or
a library of choices) by triggering an old half-rack sound module found
at a pawn shop hocked by a starving musician 20 years ago.
Seriously, this is totally doable. I personally prefer the stealth and
quiet of an EV.
-Sam
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Subject: Re: For those that miss the ICE rev
From: "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, January 15, 2007 9:29 am
To: <[email protected]>
The problem is that since it follows the engine sound and we do not have
any
engine sound it would be silent on an EV. I thought the Harley sound
would
be great for my chopped electric scooter with the ape hanger handle bars
and
leather saddlebags. Too bad it won't work. I already have the speakers
mounted in my bags.
Roderick Wilde
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From: "Mike Harvey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "EV List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 6:05 AM
Subject: For those that miss the ICE rev
> Thought this was hysterical, and a good way to diffuse the argument from
> folks that like to "hear" their motor. lmost cheap enough for a giggle.
>
> http://www.vroombox.com/
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
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Hi all,
I couldn't find it on their website, so we called the
Editor (Rob Kinnan) by phone and he was excited about
electrics. He verified page 40 of March 2007 Hot Rod.
He stated that the April issue will feature the
Killacycle too. Nice guy and well informed. He said
we can expect more electrics.
Jay Lashlee
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
--- "David (Battery Boy) Hawkins"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> All,
> The only volunteer gig that I'm currently doing
> (having been burned out on
> 10+ years of youth-sports volunteer work!), is to
> dig through the recycling
> bin at the post office to remove the trash and
> plastic, prior to hauling it
> to the drop-off center. Anyway, I'm always scoring
> on magazines and
> catalogs (cars, tools, and electronics, of course!),
> and the other day I
> pulled out the March, 2007 edition of Hot Rod. Last
> night after doing
> chores I finally cracked the mag open and was
> surprised to see a page
> devoted to NEDRA (National Electric Drag Racing
> Association), Motorsport Of
> The Month on page 40 to be exact. I'm wondering if
> someone contacted the
> mag (the Wilde man?), or if they stumbled on the
> website? I haven't had Hot
> Rod mags around since the 60's, but maybe I'll have
> to subscribe and also
> write a positive letter to the editor about the
> NEDRA plug!
> Suck Amps,
> BB
>
>
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