EV Digest 6371
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Jessie James should build electric motorcycles
by lyle sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) RE: Debating purchasing an EV
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
3) GE-EV1 controllers
by James Massey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) RE: Jessie James should build electric motorcycles
by "Dewey, Jody R ATC COMNAVAIRLANT, N422G5G" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: Where did the RAV4 go?
by Christopher Zach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: Battery Washing, was: Re: my battery fire
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: my battery fire
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) RE: my battery fire
by Tim Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: FW: Where did the RAV4 =?UTF-8?B?Z28/?=
by Tim Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) RE: 8D verses 6 Volt batteries
by xx xx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: 8D verses 6 Volt batteries
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: Battery Beach Burnout
by keith vansickle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: AC version of the ETek?
by dale henderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) hi all
by "sushrut patgaonkar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) rav4ev -- sold sunday on ebay -- update
by "Steve Hawkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: hi all
by David Dymaxion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) GM Series Hybrid
by Kenneth Dove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: Coasting with PMDC motor
by <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: Discharged Batteries
by "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: EVLN(Lotus' 644hp E-SUV, 350mi range, 155mph top speed)
by "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) RE: GM Series Hybrid
by "Doug McKee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: Coasting with PMDC motor
by "Peter Gabrielsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: Distilled water sources. Was: Re: Reviving flooded batteries
by dale henderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: hi all
by "Prasad Khurd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) RE: hi all
by Don Cameron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) Re: hi all
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
27) Re: Distilled water sources. Was: Re: Reviving flooded batteries
by Danny Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
28) Wooden battery spacers
by "Richard Rau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
29) Re: hi all
by Martin K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
30) Re: Coasting with PMDC motor
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
31) RE: hi all
by "Roger Stockton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
32) Re: Wooden battery spacers
by Danny Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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The Motorcycle Riders Foundation has the most current
information that I have seen and they have written the
law down for the layman.
http://www.mrf.org/pp-epa-for-the-layman.php As it
stands, one emission exempt bike in YOUR LIFETIME. As
in, you cant sell the one you got and then buy a
different one. For me, a guy who believes in personal
freedom and the right to change your mind if you want,
this is a personal affront to life, liberty, and the
pursuit of happiness (or is it property). I bet many
on this list would be upset if they were told that
each person is only authorized one EV in their
lifetime (or did I mean EV1).
Yeah, Dale, I would be interested in seeing an
electric custom chopper done by Jesse, but considering
the ribbing that some of the members here got when
they were on the Monster Garage Show, I dont think
that it is his thing. There is an electric custom
chopper by Big Bear.
http://electricmotorcycles.net/modules/wordpress/?p=34
http://www.bikernet.com/bikebarn/PageViewer.asp?PageID=583
http://www.bigbearchoppers.com/gallery/bbc_builds.htm#
I am also looking forward to an accomplished artist by
the name of COOP to do one in his blog.
Lyle Sloan
--- dale henderson > wrote:
> i sent jessie james and that other bike show emails
> last year requesting they make an electric bike,
> neither returned my email
>
> as to custom motorcycles is the law now that you
> can build more than one bike, but can only own one
> at a time?
>
> lyle sloan wrote:
> The emmission standards had tightened of the last
> 2
> years restricting many once allowed engine styles to
> be reduced to just a few. Of the ones available,
> they
> are not of the aircooled variety, but require
> radiators. In addition, restrictions have tightened
> to only allow to own one custom motorcycle IN YOUR
> LIFE TIME. This doesnt include the increased
> restrictions against custom painters. Many in the
> motorcycle community feel that this is a direct
> attack
> on their lifestyle, personal freedom to own
> property,
> and against small business owners in their specialty
> field.
>
> --- Chip Gribben wrote:
>
> > Just saw Jessie James of West Coast Choppers was
> > fined $275,000 by
> > the CARB for violating emission regulations on his
> > customer's
> > motorcycles. It was like 50 custom bikes he made
> > that were in
> > violation. Ouch.
> >
> > Think of the electric motorcycles you could build
> > for $275,000.
> >
> > Chip
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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Is anyone interested in an E-max Standard for parts or repair?
http://visforvoltage.net/forum-topic/user-marketplace/376-anyone-interested-e-max-standard-parts-or-repair
http://www.swampcycles.com/ is where I purchase my Luyuan KHS PB 707
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: Debating purchasing an EV
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Wed, January 31, 2007 8:22 am
> To: <[email protected]>
>
> >
> > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: 2007/01/31 Wed AM 10:19:29 EST
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: Re: Debating purchasing an EV
> >
> > >
> > > From: Jay Paroline <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >
> > > As to the suggestion to look up other EVers in FL, so far I haven't
> > > had any luck finding any in or near my area (Gainesville), but I will
> > > keep looking!
> > >
> > Hi Jay
> > I'm in Fort Pierce Florida ,,, and have a few EV's that I could made a deal
> > on ,,, or if you need help on with the one your thinking about ,,, Steve
> > Clunn 772 971 0533
> > www.grassrootsev.com
> >
> >
> > > I hope I haven't missed any questions/comments that were made to my
> > > original post. Thanks again for the advice!
> > >
> > > Jay
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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G'day All
Don in South Australia is building an EV on a tight budget. He has a 24 to
48 volt EV1 controller, but 48 volts is likely to be a bit on the low side
for his beetle.
I know that control boards in higher voltages are available, so first question:
Have any of you access to a higher voltage EV1 control board that Don could
have/buy cheaply? If so, that'd sort the controller voltage issue.
OK, next question, can anyone provide me a schematic of an EV1, preferably
the PCB schematic, and I'll see if I can modify Dons' controller to higher
voltage, OR if possible run the control PCB from a DC/DC converter whilst
the SCRs run from a higher voltage?
Last option, does anyone know how much difference is there between the EV1
models? I have a 1H9 oscillator card, Dons' is a 1H3. What are the odds
that I'd be able to modify Dons' oscillator card to be the same as mine to
let him go as high as 84V?
Thanks in advance
Regards
[Technik] James
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That is a drop in the bucket for that guy. One bike he makes sells for
that much.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Chip Gribben
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 17:27
To: EV Discussion List
Subject: Jessie James should build electric motorcycles
Just saw Jessie James of West Coast Choppers was fined $275,000 by the
CARB for violating emission regulations on his customer's motorcycles.
It was like 50 custom bikes he made that were in violation. Ouch.
Think of the electric motorcycles you could build for $275,000.
Chip
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Cor van de Water wrote:
Chris,
You mean the one in Menlo Park, CA, listing 300070153039?
That is around the corner from here!
No. There was one being sold by an EV club out there. Proceeds to go to
the EV club, posted to a bunch of EV lists..
It wasn't ended early, it was canceled with a message to all bidders
saying that the seller has been suspended and if you get an offer to buy
the item to contact the cops. Which was pretty heavy-handed I think.
Chris
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Matt Kenigson wrote:
I've actually been apprehensive about cleaning my batteries because
I don't know how to do it safely.
On my cars with floodeds, I clean them as follows.
1. Pull the fuses or disconnects, so they are isolated. My EVs have
broken them up into units of 36v or less, so there's no shock hazard.
2. Put some detergent and baking soda in water, and use this to scrub
the tops with a plastic scrub brush. Wear rubber gloves and old
clothes*.
3. Rinse 'em off with a garden hose, to get rid of the soap and crud.
4. Smear vaseline on the terminals. This helps reduce corrosion.
That's it! Usually needs to be done every 6 months or so (or more as the
batteries get older, because they gas and fizz more).
* Battery acid dissolves cotton. If you touch an acid-wetted battery
with your hands, it will have no effect on your hands. But if you wipe
them on your cotton jeans or shirt, you'll discover little holes in them
the next time you wash them!
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Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget the perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen
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Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net
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Matt Kenigson wrote:
I have 6 volt batteries and they have a piece of 1/4" plywood
between them.
Plywood is a poor electrical insulator. It absorbs water, and becomes
conductive. It is attacked by battery acid, which carbonizes it to
become much more conductive. It also burns!
There are much better alternatives. Coroplast (plastic sign board) is
totally nonconductive, non-absorbent, and isn't affected by battery acid
-- but it burns. Polyethylene, polypropylene, styrafoam, urethane foam,
and other plastics also work, and are available will fire retardant
additives. Surplus phenolic or FR4 fiberglass epoxy printed circuit
board material is very good.
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Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget the perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen
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Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net
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I'm curious.... why all the plywood seperators? 2 reasons I could think of for
NOT using them are
1. wood and acid do not play well together.
2. wood becomes another source of fuel should a fire actually occur.
I don't think you need seperators between the batteries.
Also regarding your cleaning of posts.... after cleaning coat them with axle
grease or vaseline, this will greatly increase the interval between cleanings.
Some may suggest using Noalox which is a name brand for a substance used for NO
ALuminum OXide. Since there shouldn't be any aluminum in your lead terminals it
would for you just be an expensive form of vaseline or axle grease.
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Stay Charged!
Hump
I-5, Blossvale NY
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Matt Kenigson
> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 8:12 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: my battery fire
>
>>
>> If you using 6 volt batteries, then that is 120 volts or 150 charge
>> voltage
>> between these batteries. If its 12 volt batteries, then its 240 volts
> or
>> 300 charger volts!!
>>
>> Also between 19 and 2, 18 and 3 and etc will have a high voltage between
>> the
>> batteries.
>>
>> In a battery circuit loop system like this, it is best to have a
> insulator
>> between these two rolls of batteries or try to have a gap between them.
>
>
> I have 6 volt batteries and they have a piece of 1/4" plywood between
> them.
> They are laid out like this: (best viewed in courier or some other
> mono-spaced font)
>
> -----------------------
> || 5 | 4 | 3 | 2 | 1-||
> ---------------------
> || 6 |17 |18 |19 |20+||
> -----------------------
> ||7 |16|15|14|13||
> || | | x| | ||
> ------------------
> ||8 |9 |10|11|12||
> || | | | | ||
> ------------------
>
> Where all of the ---- and || segments are plywood. Battery #15 is my
> melted
> post battery, thus the x. So I guess that means I have 120V between
> batteries 1&20, 2&19, 3&18, and 4&17. I guess the worst might be battery
> #s
> 6&17 and 7&16, since they should have 11x6=66v and 9x6=54v between them,
> respectively, without any separator. Am I understanding this correctly?
> Or
> is it 1 inclusive, so it would be 72v and 60v between them. Either way,
> should I accelerate my plans to redo the battery box?
>
> I'll do the testing you mentioned to see how bad surface conductance is
> and
> clean them as soon as I figure out how to do it safely -- see other
> thread.
>
>
> Matt
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Is the link to the auction not in your "Items I'm Bidding On" list.
In case you are not aware of such a list.... it is under "My Ebay".
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Stay Charged!
Hump
I-5, Blossvale NY
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Christopher Zach
> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 9:45 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Where did the RAV4 go?
>
> Cor van de Water wrote:
>> Chris,
>>
>> You mean the one in Menlo Park, CA, listing 300070153039?
>> That is around the corner from here!
>
> No. There was one being sold by an EV club out there. Proceeds to go to
> the EV club, posted to a bunch of EV lists..
>
> It wasn't ended early, it was canceled with a message to all bidders
> saying that the seller has been suspended and if you get an offer to buy
> the item to contact the cops. Which was pretty heavy-handed I think.
>
> Chris
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--- Cor van de Water <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> If you look for alternatives - Universal Power Group
> has a UB-8D
> AGM battery specified at 12V 250Ah and suggested
> retail is $530
> but the price for a $2500 order is $264 each ($2640
> for 10, with
> free shipping) at dealer pricing.
Is that directly from UPG? That seems really cheap.
> Indeed they are heavier than you can lift yourself,
> so you need
> an engine hoist or something like that.
> Personally I prefer to stay with the 71 lbs of the
> UB121100 as
> a max weight that you can wrestle out of a battery
> box single-
> handedly, these are 12V 110Ah.
> That means either higher system voltage or parallel
> strings
> to maintain the same energy.
Initially I thought an 8D would have greater energy
density per pound than two 6 volts due to tighter
packaging and less case material, but the opposite
seems to be true. Why is this, more robust
construction in the 8D?
Do you not consider the fewer connections of an 8D
setup to be advantageous?
John
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The "8D" is a case size; not a particular battery type or model number.
An 8D is a 12v battery roughly 20.5"L x 11"W x 9.5"H.
How about Rolls? My father in law swears by them. He uses them for marine
applications.
Rolls makes very long life, deep cycle lead-acid batteries. However,
they are very expensive for the amphour capacity, and have very poor
high-current characteristics. They would only be suitable for an EV that
had a very large proportion of its weight in batteries so the load
current per battery is very low. It would be a very slow heavy vehicle,
but you'd have good range and long life.
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Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget the perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen
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Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net
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WOW,
Thanks to Shawn and everyone participating the BBB was
a great success. O.J. was a blast to see...Scary
Fast.. The Freedom is coming along..The new crop of
EVers from the high schools and universities are going
to teach us all in just a few years as their entries
were impressive. hope to see much more intrest and
participation from the list at up coming EVents.
Events like this are such a great venue to get the
word out and exchange information on EVs and Hybreds.
thanks
again
keith
--- james s <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Another Thanks to everyone involved with BBB, had a
> great time!! The
> Autocross the second day definitely adds to the
> enjoyment and shows how EVs
> excel in another auto sport. Hope to see you all
> again at the Power of DC.
>
> Some sad news on the guy who crashed his Harley he
> did not make it.
>
> James
>
> Toronto, Ontario, Canada
>
>
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ray, or anyone else, if you still have the torque curves for the mars brushless
motor, could i get a copy?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Wong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 8:53 PM Subject: Re:
AC version of the ETek?
Mars Electric LLC is making a brushless DC motor with similar mounting to the
Etek. They also have two controllers, one fixed speed and one variable.
They have quoted me $450 for the motor with either controller. The motor is
rated at 4hp continuous (less than the Etek) but I think the limitation is in
the controller. They send me some large jpgs with motor performance graphs if
anyone is interested in the data.
Ray <contact> John Fiorenza Mars Electric LLC 3580 Slinger Road
Slinger, WI 53086 USA Phone: 262-644-7525 Fax: 262-644-7527
www.marselectricllc.com
Albuquerque, NM
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what configurations of ac motors should i look for to get 150 kmph in an suv
Ihave just found a jeep chassis
i am goiing for ac motors
i am thinking of a honda genset
can such a genset power my ev
what technicalities should i look out for when designing my ev
i am a beginner so any and all information is useful
thank you all
Sushrut
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Someone on the list asked about the Rav4ev auction that disappeared from
ebay a few days ago ... it was a like new unit with 12k miles located (I
believe) in S. Cal.
The auction closed on Sunday for $61,600 on ebay to a buyer from Seattle.
The auction apparently "disappeared" after it closed due to an internal ebay
issue, not related to the auction.
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"150 kmph"
Do you mean
150,000 mph?
150 km?
150 miles?
150 km/hr?
150 mph?
150 kWhr/mi?
No matter what the answer, a Jeep is one of the worst aero cars you could pick,
and the 4WD adds drag and weight.
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From: sushrut patgaonkar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2007 1:27:00 PM
Subject: hi all
what configurations of ac motors should i look for to get 150 kmph in an suv
Ihave just found a jeep chassis
i am goiing for ac motors
i am thinking of a honda genset
can such a genset power my ev
what technicalities should i look out for when designing my ev
i am a beginner so any and all information is useful
thank you all
Sushrut
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I am sure that most of you already know this, but it makes for a very
interesting read.
This was written about 9 years ago and of special interest to me is the
section on "Series Hybrid". The document is in reference to the EV1, of
course, but doesn't it sound EXACTLY like the recently announced Chevy
Volt?
GM has effectively wasted nearly a decade....
http://www.evchargernews.com/miscfiles/gmfun.pdf
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Hi All,
I would appreciate if someone could explain or give me a link to answer
this question.
How can a PMDC motor coast efficiently? Wouldnt the magnets slow down the
rotor and convert the energy to waste heat? How do all the cars like Prius
work on coasting then?
Thanks
JJ
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My dummy load is a couple of heating elements from derelict heat pumps. I
modified them so they chew up 100 amps at 144 volts and put them in a large,
old metal mailbox (really!). Then I mounted a fan from an old range hood at
the end. It has a contactor for easier use. Does a fine job of heating the
garage on those cool autumn and winter days.
One of these days I'll have to post a photo. Some folks might find it kind
of entertaining. ;-)
David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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On 31 Jan 2007 at 13:14, Roy LeMeur wrote:
> When I first read about this joint Zap/Lotus project it seemed like a joke.
Kind of like a partnership between Charlton Heston and Bugs Bunny?
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"I will be the very last to say I told you so," as my father was fond of
saying.
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Kenneth Dove
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 3:45 PM
To: EVDL
Subject: GM Series Hybrid
I am sure that most of you already know this, but it makes for a very
interesting read.
This was written about 9 years ago and of special interest to me is the
section on "Series Hybrid". The document is in reference to the EV1, of
course, but doesn't it sound EXACTLY like the recently announced Chevy
Volt?
GM has effectively wasted nearly a decade....
http://www.evchargernews.com/miscfiles/gmfun.pdf
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As long as there's no load on the output of the generator there will
be no power generated. The only losses you get are iron losses due to
the rotating magnetic field magnetising and demagnetising the stator
iron. Compared to induction motors they don't coast efficently but the
actual losses are almost insignificant.
On 2/1/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi All,
I would appreciate if someone could explain or give me a link to answer
this question.
How can a PMDC motor coast efficiently? Wouldnt the magnets slow down the
rotor and convert the energy to waste heat? How do all the cars like Prius
work on coasting then?
Thanks
JJ
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is DI water ok?
Danny Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "Purified" water is very questionable,
it is not the same as distilled.
99% pure is not impressive at all. Some tap water is near that. That's
still 1% mineral content! Also, these results are not well specified
and not really guaranteed over the life of the product in the field.
Something's wrong if your distilled water is $2.50/gal. Should be like
$0.59. It doesn't come in a lot of pricey brand names, distilled is not
marketable like "spring water".
Note that "bottled water" (Sparkletts) and "spring water" are not
distilled and should not be put in a battery.
Danny
Matt Kenigson wrote:
> I might go that route. With distilled water as much as $2.50 per
> gallon in
> our grocery stores over here, I've been using (please don't flame me)
> water
> from our fridge's built-in water purifier. I figured it probably doesn't
> get all the minerals out, but it probably comes pretty close. Is this a
> really bad idea?
>
> I'll look at the Sears water purifier (what makes it different from my
> fridge's built-in?) and see if I can't find anything online for water
> distillation.
>
> Matt
>
> On 1/31/07, Doc Kennedy wrote:
>
>>
>> FYI,
>>
>> A Sears water purifier which sells, on sale as low as $50 and $100
>> normally
>> can make
>> 99% pure, demineralized water at a rate of 2-4 gallons a day for a few
>> cents
>> of electricity
>> per gallon. It pays for itself in convenience good water for your EV and
>> yourself.
>>
>> Doc Kennedy
>>
>>
>> On 1/31/07, TiM M wrote:
>> >
>> > Matt,
>> > Where are you buying your distilled water? I
>> > typically buy it in one gallon jugs at the local
>> > grocery store. If I can get the house brand on sale
>> > it's about .89/gallon. If I have to spring for the
>> > name brand stuff, Sparklets or some such, it's about
>> > $1.29 a gallon. Who knows, we pay more for gas out
>> > here in Southern California, so maybe they give us a
>> > break on the water. I go through about 2 gallons month
>> > on my 24 battery truck.
>> >
>> > TiM
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> ____________________________________________________________________________________
>>
>>
>> > Get your own web address.
>> > Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business.
>> > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
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David,
Sushrut probably means the Mahindra Jeep made in India which might not
be a 4WD and might not be all that heavy too. Confirm that Sushrut.
-Prasad
On 2/1/07, David Dymaxion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
"150 kmph"
Do you mean
150,000 mph?
150 km?
150 miles?
150 km/hr?
150 mph?
150 kWhr/mi?
No matter what the answer, a Jeep is one of the worst aero cars you could
pick, and the 4WD adds drag and weight.
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From: sushrut patgaonkar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2007 1:27:00 PM
Subject: hi all
what configurations of ac motors should i look for to get 150 kmph in an
suv
Ihave just found a jeep chassis
i am goiing for ac motors
i am thinking of a honda genset
can such a genset power my ev
what technicalities should i look out for when designing my ev
i am a beginner so any and all information is useful
thank you all
Sushrut
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David, kmph means km/hr.
Sushrut, how much does the vehicle weigh? Where are you located? How far
do you need to go? How much money do you have to spend?
Gensets typically are a poor choice for an EV. Check out the archives (see
the link below), search for genset, lots of discussion on how well/poor they
work.
Take a look at the FAQ (see link below) to get somewhat familaized with EVs
and their capabilities.
Also, take a look at my website or www.metrcimind.com on build an EV with an
AC motor.
Don
Don Cameron, Victoria, BC, Canada
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of David Dymaxion
Sent: February 1, 2007 1:13 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: hi all
"150 kmph"
Do you mean
150,000 mph?
150 km?
150 miles?
150 km/hr?
150 mph?
150 kWhr/mi?
No matter what the answer, a Jeep is one of the worst aero cars you could
pick, and the 4WD adds drag and weight.
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From: sushrut patgaonkar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2007 1:27:00 PM
Subject: hi all
what configurations of ac motors should i look for to get 150 kmph in an suv
Ihave just found a jeep chassis
i am goiing for ac motors
i am thinking of a honda genset
can such a genset power my ev
what technicalities should i look out for when designing my ev
i am a beginner so any and all information is useful
thank you all
Sushrut
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sushrut patgaonkar wrote:
What configurations of ac motors should i look for to get 150 kmph
in an SUV?
A *big* one! :-)
For that speed in a heavy vehicle with a lot of wind resistance, you
will probably need a 100 KW or more AC drive system (motor and inverter).
I have just found a jeep chassis.
I am going for AC motors.
I am thinking of a Honda genset.
Can such a genset power my ev?
It can provide sufficient power for driving at very low speeds, or it
can recharge the batteries if left running for hours. But it is going to
take 40-50 horsepower to maintain 150 KPH in such a vehicle. That is a
big genset!
What technicalities should I look out for when designing my EV?
I am a beginner so any and all information is useful.
There are a lot of details, but they can be dealt with if you are
persistent. I think your first step is to read everything you can find
on-line, and in books about building EVs. Mike Chancey's "EV Tradin'
Post" has lots of examples of the EVs that people have built. Use them
to get ideas for what is possible.
And, you found the EV list. It is one of the most valuable resources for
getting answers to questions. Just be aware that you will get *many*
answers; some good, some bad, and some just plain clueless or even rude.
Be patient; understanding will come with study.
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No, deionized can still contain non-ionic impurities (organic
compounds). OK, yes it's better than tap water but still a significant
contamination risk and I can't see why you'd use it instead of just
using a gallon of distilled.
There is no reason to use anything but distilled water- which is both
"perfect", readily available, AND dirt cheap, at least in the quantities
that an EV would need. It typically has virtually zero impurities and
is of a very consistent quality even in the Wal-Mart store brand. In
fact I see no reason to prefer any sort of name brand, distilled is
distilled so get the cheap stuff.
Danny
dale henderson wrote:
is DI water ok?
Danny Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "Purified" water is very questionable,
it is not the same as distilled.
99% pure is not impressive at all. Some tap water is near that. That's
still 1% mineral content! Also, these results are not well specified
and not really guaranteed over the life of the product in the field.
Something's wrong if your distilled water is $2.50/gal. Should be like
$0.59. It doesn't come in a lot of pricey brand names, distilled is not
marketable like "spring water".
Note that "bottled water" (Sparkletts) and "spring water" are not
distilled and should not be put in a battery.
Danny
Matt Kenigson wrote:
I might go that route. With distilled water as much as $2.50 per
gallon in
our grocery stores over here, I've been using (please don't flame me)
water
from our fridge's built-in water purifier. I figured it probably doesn't
get all the minerals out, but it probably comes pretty close. Is this a
really bad idea?
I'll look at the Sears water purifier (what makes it different from my
fridge's built-in?) and see if I can't find anything online for water
distillation.
Matt
On 1/31/07, Doc Kennedy wrote:
FYI,
A Sears water purifier which sells, on sale as low as $50 and $100
normally
can make
99% pure, demineralized water at a rate of 2-4 gallons a day for a few
cents
of electricity
per gallon. It pays for itself in convenience good water for your EV and
yourself.
Doc Kennedy
On 1/31/07, TiM M wrote:
Matt,
Where are you buying your distilled water? I
typically buy it in one gallon jugs at the local
grocery store. If I can get the house brand on sale
it's about .89/gallon. If I have to spring for the
name brand stuff, Sparklets or some such, it's about
$1.29 a gallon. Who knows, we pay more for gas out
here in Southern California, so maybe they give us a
break on the water. I go through about 2 gallons month
on my 24 battery truck.
TiM
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In the conversion that I'm now doing, three of the five battery boxes are
designed to hold two levels of batteries. I am now experimenting with
various materials for use as spacers between the lower and upper levels. In
other words, I will be using blocks setting on top of the lower batteries as
supports for the upper ones.
Recent trials with plastics showed interesting results. Polypropylene and
ABS were both stuck to one of polycarbonate battery cases using 3M high
strength adhesive transfer tape. The inexpensive polypropylene did not hold
a bond near as well as the more costly ABS. So ABS wins out for it's
ability to stay put.
After a lot of fussing, my thoughts went back to good ol' wood. It seems
that a solid and stable hardwood would give decent performance if the
environment remained mostly acid free. So I guess that is the question. Is
it unwise for me to consider using this organic material because of its
susceptibility to deterioration? These quality AGM's sure look
unthreatening at this point. What do you think?
Many Kw's of appreciation for your thoughts!
Note- The boxes are vented and I am building a killer charging system that
is a combination of PFC-30 for bulk charging and ventilated Soneil 3-amp
modulars for finishing.
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150 kmph is quite obviously 150 kilometers per hour.
David Dymaxion wrote:
"150 kmph"
Do you mean
150,000 mph?
150 km?
150 miles?
150 km/hr?
150 mph?
150 kWhr/mi?
No matter what the answer, a Jeep is one of the worst aero cars you could pick,
and the 4WD adds drag and weight.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How can a PMDC motor coast efficiently? Wouldnt the magnets slow down the
rotor and convert the energy to waste heat? How do all the cars like Prius
work on coasting then?
You are correct; PM motors have full magnetic losses regardless of
whether they are powered or not. So, they are more efficient at full
load (because no field power is needed), but less efficient at light
loads (because you can't weaken the field).
Vehicles with PM motors like the Prius just accept the no-load loss as a
fact of life.
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Martin K wrote:
> 150 kmph is quite obviously 150 kilometers per hour.
I think it is obvious that David knew what the poster intended it to
mean, but was pointing out in a tongue-in-cheek manner that "kmph" is
*not* a standardly used (or understood) abreviation for kilometers per
hour. The abbreviations in common usage are "kph" and "km/hr".
"kmph" would actually seem to be the correct abbreviation for "thousand
miles per hour", though values of this magnitude would likely only
appear in the context of an astronomical discussion and people having
such a discussion would be more likely to use standard SI units ;^>
Cheers,
Roger.
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PVC foam board (Sintra, and there's at least one other major brand name
I can't think of) is pretty strong. You can heat-shape it if you need to.
It can be solvent-welded to itself. It responds well to many adhesives,
adhesive tape will work fine. It's also dirt cheap.
It would require a pretty decent thickness to make a battery box out of,
unless there's metal beams under it or something that lessens the span.
Danny
Richard Rau wrote:
In the conversion that I'm now doing, three of the five battery boxes are
designed to hold two levels of batteries. I am now experimenting with
various materials for use as spacers between the lower and upper levels. In
other words, I will be using blocks setting on top of the lower batteries as
supports for the upper ones.
Recent trials with plastics showed interesting results. Polypropylene and
ABS were both stuck to one of polycarbonate battery cases using 3M high
strength adhesive transfer tape. The inexpensive polypropylene did not hold
a bond near as well as the more costly ABS. So ABS wins out for it's
ability to stay put.
After a lot of fussing, my thoughts went back to good ol' wood. It seems
that a solid and stable hardwood would give decent performance if the
environment remained mostly acid free. So I guess that is the question. Is
it unwise for me to consider using this organic material because of its
susceptibility to deterioration? These quality AGM's sure look
unthreatening at this point. What do you think?
Many Kw's of appreciation for your thoughts!
Note- The boxes are vented and I am building a killer charging system that
is a combination of PFC-30 for bulk charging and ventilated Soneil 3-amp
modulars for finishing.
Richard at N.W. Electric Vehicles
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