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Received EV digest 6372 and 6374.
Am I missing postings, or does the digest skip numbers?
Don't want to miss any of this great information!
Thanks;
Dennis
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Subject: EV digest
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 15:01:08 -0600
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From: Chip Gribben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Battery Beach Burnout
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 15:56:06 -0500
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Hi Dennis,
There are some photos and videos on the NEDRA site.
You can link to them from the BBB story on the home page.
The photos are from the Saturday events such as the Autocross and the
video is a Porsche doing the autocross.
I didn't see the Freedom EV in the group of photos though.
Chip
NEDRA
http://www.nedra.com
On Feb 2, 2007, at 3:31 PM, Electric Vehicle Discussion List wrote:
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: February 2, 2007 2:00:30 PM EST
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Battery Beach Burnout
>
>
> In a message dated 2/2/2007 5:55:11 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>> bj: Re: Battery Beach Burnout
>> Date:2/2/2007 5:55:11 AM Pacific Standard Time
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>> Reply-to:[email protected]
>> To:[email protected]
>> Received from Internet:
>>
>>
>>
>> Guys &Girls,
>>
>> Did anyone take pictures of the EV participants? I am
>> particularly
>> interested in the Freedom EV.
>>
>> Pat
> I too am intrested in the S10 with the 2k zilla and warp 13in
> motor.What were
> its et and mph? Dennis Berube
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 14:47:56 -0700 (MST)
Subject: RE: EV digest 6372
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CNG/Propane is cleaner, when porperly tuned using all that expensive
emmisions testing equipment, but even then I don't think it's "Much"
cleaner.
When comparing a genset running on CNG/Propane without an emmisions
control system, you are still going to produce hundreds of times as much
pollution as a modern car. So if you only used it once every three months
to extend your range by 20 miles, and every single day ran the EV for 20
miles, then your pollution would be THE SAME as running a modern car over
the same distance. Well, actually you'd probably produce more pollution
with the genset, this is a best case scenario.
If you went further than 20 miles or more often that 4 times a year, then
you end up with more pollution even under best case scenario.
> I would think with a genset you COULD make it very efficient and not
> polluting. You could have a car that for the most part fulfilled your
> needs and the genset, although a pain in the but, would offer the
> benefit of charging on the fly for longer trips. You could run it on
> CNG or propane to make it much cleaner or you could fuel inject it and
> run after treatments to its exhaust.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of xx xx
> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 14:23
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: EV digest 6372
>
>
>
>
>> >Subject: Re: hi all
>> >From: "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >To: [email protected]
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>>
>> >Hi Sushrut,
>>
>> >Just out of curiousity, are you fixated on this
>> idea of a series hybrid,
>> >or are you willing to listen when people tell you
>> it's not a good idea?
>>
>> >Usings a genset powering an electric motor will
>> result in a vehicle that
>> >gets very poor milage and produces very high
>> polution. Why would you want
>> >to do that?
>>
>
>
> I think you'd want to do that because at this time to get a lot of range
> you have to load your vehicle up with heavy and expensive batteries, and
> you still won't end up with great range. Seems to me a range extender
> genset is a potential cost and weight efficient way to get greater
> range. If you have enough battery to get 15-20 mile ev range that might
> take care of your daily needs, then fire up the gen when you need more
> range. So over time if you mostly use the plug in batteries you're very
> efficient, and once in a while you use the genset for extended range.
>
>
> John
>
>
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Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 14:21:41 -0600
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Somebody here pointed out that propane conversions typically burn
dirtier than gasoline. Propane is also fairly expensive and relatively
difficult to store. That may be due to applying the engine's control
system to an unintended situtation though.
The thing is, the idea that a small engine is remarkably more efficient
is simply a myth. It all comes down to specific fuel consumption, "lb
per hp/hr". In many cases it's worse due to the cheapness of the
engines. It takes a fair amount of hp to push a car, a small genny
won't do it unless maybe you have a teeny little vehicle closer to a
shrouded motorcycle. It takes a pretty huge genny to keep a car on the
highway for example. A smally genny would need to run for many hours or
even days to charge the pack for a drive. And you've got to be
remarkably more efficient to overcome the series hybrid inefficiencies.
In addition to the horrific emissions and smell, they're also really
loud. A muffler will only partially absorb the sound, the cylinders
themselves are not designed to contain noise. So you added on half a
ton of lead batteries, then want to find weight and room for a huge
generator, tank, exhaust system, and firewall. In the end the vehicle
may have the room and trunk space of a motorcycle!
Danny
Dewey, Jody R ATC COMNAVAIRLANT, N422G5G wrote:
>I would think with a genset you COULD make it very efficient and not
>polluting. You could have a car that for the most part fulfilled your
>needs and the genset, although a pain in the but, would offer the
>benefit of charging on the fly for longer trips. You could run it on
>CNG or propane to make it much cleaner or you could fuel inject it and
>run after treatments to its exhaust.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>Behalf Of xx xx
>Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 14:23
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: EV digest 6372
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>>Subject: Re: hi all
>>>From: "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>To: [email protected]
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>>>
>>
>>
>>>Hi Sushrut,
>>>
>>>
>>>Just out of curiousity, are you fixated on this
>>>
>>>
>>idea of a series hybrid,
>>
>>
>>>or are you willing to listen when people tell you
>>>
>>>
>>it's not a good idea?
>>
>>
>>
>>>Usings a genset powering an electric motor will
>>>
>>>
>>result in a vehicle that
>>
>>
>>>gets very poor milage and produces very high
>>>
>>>
>>polution. Why would you want
>>
>>
>>>to do that?
>>>
>>>
>
>
>I think you'd want to do that because at this time to get a lot of range
>you have to load your vehicle up with heavy and expensive batteries, and
>you still won't end up with great range. Seems to me a range extender
>genset is a potential cost and weight efficient way to get greater
>range. If you have enough battery to get 15-20 mile ev range that might
>take care of your daily needs, then fire up the gen when you need more
>range. So over time if you mostly use the plug in batteries you're very
>efficient, and once in a while you use the genset for extended range.
>
>
>John
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 15:12:21 -0600
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Well yeah. The point is that people hear that it only uses the electric
motor a portion of the time (and only constitutes a portion of the hp at
that) and it gets such an impressive mpg, and erroneously walk away
thinking the electric motor part does something magic to its
efficiency. From there you could easily conclude that running all the
engine's hp through an electric motor would be even better.
It is based on a misunderstanding of where "hybrid" gains come from.
Danny
Peter VanDerWal wrote:
>Plus it operates as a parallel hybrid most of the time.
>
>
>
>>Prius is great for reasons other than its "hybrid" status. It's got a
>>super-low drag coefficient for one.
>>
>>But most of all it uses an Atkinson-cycle engine instead of an Otto,
>>which has never been done in a car. Atkinsons is supposed to be very
>>efficient and powerful but only in one narrow RPM range making it
>>useless for a car. The CVT allow the engine to run at that RPM at any
>>vehicle speed, and the electric motor further fills in the gaps to make
>>it driveable.
>>
>>Danny
>>
>>Dewey, Jody R ATC COMNAVAIRLANT, N422G5G wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>What about the Toyota Prius? It runs in full electric or gas. When in
>>>gas mode it is charging the battery pack.
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>>>Behalf Of damon henry
>>>Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 12:40
>>>To: [email protected]
>>>Subject: Series hybrids (was Re: EV digest 6372)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: Joseph Lado <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>
>>>>How can it put this more clearly? YOU ARE WRONG!!!!! Peter you are one
>>>>of the people readers look to for answers on this list. You have got to
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>get your numbers straight and really investigate your opinion on this
>>>>mater, because you don't have it right. Series hybrids are less
>>>>polluting and are more efficient than using a gasoline engine alone by
>>>>a factor of three without counting regenerative braking and the
>>>>advantages of using batteries. With ever improving techniques to
>>>>recapture wasted energy through the braking process and using the
>>>>generator only at its optimum to charge the batteries when they go
>>>>below 40%, you in essence have an electric vehicle that sometimes uses
>>>>gasoline to either keep going when the batteries are depleated or
>>>>charge up the batteries when there isn't a plug to be used.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Hi Joseph,
>>>
>>>Perhaps you can point me to an example of a series hybrid that has
>>>managed to do all of the above successfully. I have yet to see one,
>>>especially not one built in someones garage. The only successfull
>>>series hybrids I am aware of are the enourmous type used in ships,
>>>trains, etc...
>>>
>>>I think you may be confusing theory with practice.
>>>
>>>damon
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>
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 13:12:57 -0800 (PST)
From: David Dymaxion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Series hybrids (was Re: EV digest 6372)
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The AC propulsion series hybrid got 30 to 35 mpg (per wikipedia). Considering
it was a small, 2500 lb sportscar, maybe not so good, say compared to an
Insight or Prius. Considering that it was as fast as a Ferarri, Porsche, or
Corvette, that's awesome!
It had a 500 cc Kawaski motor, so emissions probably weren't too bad. This one
is probably as good as a series hybrid can get.
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Sent: Friday, February 2, 2007 1:51:31 PM
Subject: Re: Series hybrids (was Re: EV digest 6372)
...
Can anyone provide documented evidence of a series hybrid that can beat any of
the current ICE vehicles? I don't mean the "Mother Earth" hybrid
scam which even Mother Earth magazine admitted they couldn't duplicate, and I
don't mean "Well, I did this back in 1970, but I don't have any
proof" I mean a verifiable series hybrid, preferably one that still exists and
can be tested for both fuel economy and emissions.
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 13:39:49 -0800 (PST)
From: Bruce Weisenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Honda CRX conversion on ebay
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This maybe an individual starting up an EV Vehicle
sale business out of Utah. The components are the same
ones quoted from the www.e-volks.com Conversion kit
#2, Priced at $2950.00 plus shipping. Or it could be
e-volks selling the vehicles through a dummy
cooperation. Companies do this to protect assets of
one company over another. But I do not know one way or
the other. Not affiliated with either one. I only
noted while surfing through ebay.
--- Randy Burleson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Located in Utah is a 72Volt Conversion- Maybe a
> > > e-volks conversion from the description. For
> those
> > > looking for prebuilt EV
> > > Item: 200075312724
> >
> >
> > Well, who ever built it doesn't mind sitting up
> against an open
> > battery pack! I guess he's not worried about any
> acid spray
> > getting into the interior? More pictures:
> > http://www.preparedness1.com/hondacrx.htm
>
> The same fella had a home-built Geo Metro conversion
> for sale before the
> holidays, for about the same price. He also has a
> Ford Festiva
> conversion for sale:
> http://www.preparedness1.com/fordfestiva.htm
>
> With a Geo, Honda, and Ford, it looks like he's
> ramping up into the
> small space of build-to-sell conversions (as opposed
> to build-to-spec
> customs).
>
> List those prices out:
> 1 @ $795 for motor
> 1 @ $550 for controller
> 9 @ $200ea US-8VGC batteries
> Sums out to just over $3K at _list_prices_ before
> you start uninstall
> ICE, install bits, cable, adapt, and etc. $5-6K
> really doesn't seem bad,
> for a turn-key conversion with new bits.
>
> All seem to use the D&D #ES_15A motor, with 9 8V
> batteries pushing a 72
> VDC Alltrax controller. Those look like US Battery
> 8V units, I think,
> though they have an 'Energizer' label? The chargers
> seem under-spec, to
> my eye. He does seem to be pretty open and truthful
> about limited top
> speeds, which is refreshing.
>
> Randii
>
>
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 13:45:38 -0800 (PST)
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Since the subject of corrosion came up, I'd like to remind everyone of the
three step corrosion/leak prevention system the list came up with years ago
(yes, the majority of the list actually *agreed* on something at times in ages
past =8O It combines the recommendations of many members. I tried this when I
rebuilt the old escort with US125's, and had no issues with acid mist or
corrosion from then on. I sold it a year and a half later. Perhaps it's new
owners could comment on its cleanliness from that point on, if they are on the
list.
1) go around the base of the posts with a silicone sealant before installation.
2) use the *really goopy* felt rings such as the ones evparts sells around each
post (which can really be a pain if your posts are not round, but I've heard
that they can be stretched into shape - luckily mine were round)
3) assemble your connections clean then spray with the battery protection stuff
available from many auto parts stores, wal-mart, etc. It's a waxy colorless
substance.
Seemed to work really well, especially compared to the old trojans the car
came with.
David Brandt
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 13:58:55 -0800 (PST)
From: Bruce Weisenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Honda CRX conversion on ebay
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Correction to this email. In going to Wilderness EV
via www.e-volks.com website I linked into the
www.preparedness1.com/electric_vehicles.htm webpage
which is showing the EV CRX and Festiva. So the
Vehicle is from www.e-volks.com which originally gave
me the idea to use a JACK Heize aircraft generator.
They have include a D & D series motor into their line
up of parts. Jim Gann has a Geo configured with the
Generator Motor and said it worked fine for him.
Allen Grover also placed the CRX on the
www.evalbum.com.
--- Bruce Weisenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This maybe an individual starting up an EV Vehicle
> sale business out of Utah. The components are the
> same
> ones quoted from the www.e-volks.com Conversion kit
> #2, Priced at $2950.00 plus shipping. Or it could be
> e-volks selling the vehicles through a dummy
> cooperation. Companies do this to protect assets of
> one company over another. But I do not know one way
> or
> the other. Not affiliated with either one. I only
> noted while surfing through ebay.
>
> --- Randy Burleson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > Located in Utah is a 72Volt Conversion- Maybe
> a
> > > > e-volks conversion from the description. For
> > those
> > > > looking for prebuilt EV
> > > > Item: 200075312724
> > >
> > >
> > > Well, who ever built it doesn't mind sitting up
> > against an open
> > > battery pack! I guess he's not worried about any
> > acid spray
> > > getting into the interior? More pictures:
> > > http://www.preparedness1.com/hondacrx.htm
> >
> > The same fella had a home-built Geo Metro
> conversion
> > for sale before the
> > holidays, for about the same price. He also has a
> > Ford Festiva
> > conversion for sale:
> > http://www.preparedness1.com/fordfestiva.htm
> >
> > With a Geo, Honda, and Ford, it looks like he's
> > ramping up into the
> > small space of build-to-sell conversions (as
> opposed
> > to build-to-spec
> > customs).
> >
> > List those prices out:
> > 1 @ $795 for motor
> > 1 @ $550 for controller
> > 9 @ $200ea US-8VGC batteries
> > Sums out to just over $3K at _list_prices_ before
> > you start uninstall
> > ICE, install bits, cable, adapt, and etc. $5-6K
> > really doesn't seem bad,
> > for a turn-key conversion with new bits.
> >
> > All seem to use the D&D #ES_15A motor, with 9 8V
> > batteries pushing a 72
> > VDC Alltrax controller. Those look like US Battery
> > 8V units, I think,
> > though they have an 'Energizer' label? The
> chargers
> > seem under-spec, to
> > my eye. He does seem to be pretty open and
> truthful
> > about limited top
> > speeds, which is refreshing.
> >
> > Randii
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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EVLN(500 Thinks in Summer 2007, 180km range, 100km top speed)
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Production of electric car to be resumed
The production of the Norwegian battery powered car "Think" will
be resumed. Around 500 el-powered vehicles will be produced at
the Aurskog factory in 2007.
/ np 01.02.2007 07:45
Next year the production will be doubled.
A group of Norwegian investors have now taken over the production
facilities, and the first cars will roll off the assembly line
this summer.
The original Norwegian owners sold out to US automaker Ford,
which invested NOK 1 billion in the project, before selling out
in 2003, to a Swiss firm which went bankrupt in February 2006.
At the moment it is impossible to buy a new el-powered car in
Norway and several thousand prospective buyers are on a waiting
list.
In Norway, el-powered cars are favoured with no road tax and no
parking fees, free pssage on toll roads, as well as being allowed
to use the public transport lane on roads.
The new "Think" model will have improved batteries with a range
of 180 km between charges and a top speed of around 100 km.
(NRK) Rolleiv Solholm
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 14:35:56 -0800 (PST)
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EVLN(Bellevue WA OKs use of nEVs on streets)
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Posted February 1, 2007
Bellevue OKs use of electric cars on streets
Ordinance allows use of vehicles that travel 35 mph or less
By Lee Reinsch [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Electric car owners are one tire tread closer to being able to
freely drive their vehicles around greater Green Bay.
Bellevue last month joined Allouez, Ashwaubenon, Green Bay and De
Pere in OK'ing the environmentally friendly vehicles.
Electric cars became a controversy when owners realized that Gov.
Jim Doyle's Act 329 diverted responsibility for permitting them
to the local municipalities. Act 329 says electric cars are OK by
the state, as long as local jurisdictions green-light them a
mixed message, say local officials.
"The state really should have made a policy on this," Bellevue
village President Craig Beyl said.
Act 329 says "the governing body of any city, town or village may
by ordinance allow the use of a neighborhood electric vehicle on
a roadway that has a speed limit of 35 mph or less and over which
the governing body has jurisdiction."
Electric car owners like Philip Macht of Bellevue and Green Bay
small business owner Tracy Crawford say they're relieved that
Bellevue gave them the OK.
"I'm getting closer," Crawford said.
It's been a long battle for Crawford. She's been fighting for
almost a year to gain full access to roads in the greater Green
Bay area. At times, she's been very close to giving up.
Crawford bought her DaimlerChrysler Global Electric Motor car for
under $10,000 in Portage in early 2006.
It costs pennies per day to run and produces no exhaust fumes. It
runs on an electric battery, at a top speed of 25 mph. It's got
all of the safety devices conventional cars have from brake
lights and reflectors to windshield wipers. It even has hard
doors and a hard roof.
Electric cars are known generically as low-speed vehicles and
neighborhood electric vehicles .
Crawford runs a teddy bear clothing-importing company and
errand-running service. She travels throughout the area for
supplies and to serve customers. As with anyone else, her daily
business banking, shopping, seeing her accountant requires
crossing into outlying jurisdictions.
Ironically, Macht bought his Global Electric Motor car in
Bellevue, on the same block as the Village Hall, but couldn't
drive it in the village limits until recently. His canary-yellow
car came from Mayco Industrial, 1851 Allouez Ave. He bought it to
tool around the golf course at his apartment complex, River
Pines, and has done little else with it since learning he
couldn't drive it on the streets.
Macht said that this spring when it warms up, he'll be out in his
GEM.
Crawford is still hoping Howard gives her the green light to
drive in the village.
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