EV Digest 6447
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Valkyrie Kitcar planning future EV version
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) EV Spare Parts For Sale.
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
3) NiMH D size battery closeout
by "Rick Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: Ovonic's NiMH battery info needed
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: It's official, the Saft STM5-180 nicad has been discontinued
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: LEV Conference, Taipei Cycle Show March 20-23. Comments
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: NiMH D size battery closeout
by "John G. Lussmyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Mower deck to Push mower?
by Mark Hastings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: Battery charger recommendation
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
10) Re: NiMH D size battery closeout
by "Dmitri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: White Zombie 11s??no 10s
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
12) Re: NiMH D size battery closeout
by Ian Hooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: Scrapping noise
by David Brandt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: NiMH D size battery closeout
by "John G. Lussmyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) RE: NiMH D size battery closeout
by Cor van de Water <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: EV Spare Parts For Sale.
by "George J. Jones, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: Scrapping noise
by Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: Battery charger recommendation
by "gail donaldson lucas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) An idea for the EVAlbum
by "Dmitri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: An idea for the EVAlbum
by "David O'Neel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: Battery charger recommendation
by <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) GE EV-1 SCR Controller question
by DM3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: NiMH D size battery closeout
by Ian Hooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: A Zilla 1K can produce 320 kilowatts, so this is doable.
by MIKE WILLMON <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Reality Check
by Steve Powers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) Re: Valkyrie Kitcar planning future EV version
by "jerryd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Do not contact Lawrence Rhodes I am only the messenger.
This sounds like a good partnership for Rich and Otmar. They are in Oregon
too. Lawrence Rhodes
>From :
Daniel Richer - Fiberfab US
daniel.richer@ fiberfab.us
Dear Electrifying Times,
My name is Daniel Richer,
Having recently discovered that Electrifying Times is based in BEND, OR., I
thought I would introduce myself, my company, and the in-planning future EV
version, of our popular Valkyrie Kitcar. Our Valkyrie supercar has been the
Flagship of our company for over 30 years, having gone thru several
evolutions, generations and models!
At this time it is the primary model we sell, although ICE driven, we have
current plans for an EV version of this car. Low profile, lightweight,
exotic styling, all are an advantage!
At this time we are in the process of acquiring economic EV technology for
the car that will meet our desired criteria concerning: Range,
Dependability, and Highway Speed Viability.
Formerly based in Washington State for years, and having distributed
vehicles nationally, we have kept a pulse on the alternative energy and
fueled vehicle marketplace. In such, we feel that the market is wide enough
for a economic EV Version of our Valkyrie kitcar, having the looks of the
Teslamotors Supercar, and the affordability of most Kitcars,
in the forth coming year, one of our focuses will be just this, an electric
version of our car!
Other prototype projects on our drawing board include a 3-wheeled (2f,1r)
model of kit, utilizing a motorcycle drivetrain version as a nich market
product to 3-wheel enthusiasts!
You visit our website at:
http://www.fiberfab.us
to see our Valkyrie Series of Kitcars!
The recent completion of our factory facility in La Pine, OR., makes Central
Oregon a common locale to both of our ventures, although still in the
unpacking stages of our new location, we look forward to the expansion of
our capability.
The future product line of our company will feature many items from: ICE,
HYBRID, & EV vehicles, Cargos and Utility Trailers, Speciality Food Service
Carts, Solar Implementations and a wide selections of diversified products
And now for the key question...
We would love to purchase complete engineered drivetrains from an
experienced provider. Feeling no need to re-invent the wheel, along with
being infantile to the EV World, we are sure there are qualified individuals
and companies already out there, that would love to become an Alliance
Partner in the provision of EV drivetrains for us.
Our Company, with a past history of ICE powertrains, just lacks the
knowledge of them, in hopes of an accelerated jump on our project, and as an
advantage to all enthusiasts alike, your knowledge, expertise, & wisdom in
this market could be of great benefit to everyone, in suggesting a provider
for drivetrains to our upcoming EV version of the Valkyrie kitcar.
Thank you very much for your time and consideration to our questions,
I look forward to your reply,
Sincerly,
Daniel Lee Richer
President
Fiberfab US
daniel.richer@ fiberfab.us
New Facility Location
52745 Drafter rd.
La Pine, Or. 97739
Factory Fiberfab US
http://www.fiberfab.us
1-541-536-0550 direct
1-888-281-2220 toll free
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Hello list,
I have a ring clamp and an adapter plate that would fit the Advanced DC
Motors' FB-4001A 8" motor. The adapter plate is for a Ford Ranger, 1996, I
believe. To my knowledge, they have never been in a vehicle. I used my own
design
when I converted my car. These are a little nicked up from being on a shelf,
but that's it.
The ring clamp lists new for $194.25 at EVPARTS.COM. The adapter plate new
is probably around $275. I would like to get $225 for both parts.
Pictures available upon request for serious inquirers.
Let me know off the list, please!
David in Georgia
Ratliffgrp AT AOL DOT COM
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I was snooping around the internet and stumbled upon a closeout of NiMH D
size rechargeable cells. Here is the link if anyone is interested.
http://www.onlybatteries.com/showitem.asp?ItemID=13883.61&cat1=14&uid=1425
-Rick
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Don,
I wrote "until thermo-compensated 1.509 VPC is reached"; perhaps
I didn't express specifics clearly. I'll try my best again:
Thermo-compensated voltage on 11 cell Ovonic battery is
16.6V - 0.024*Tmax. 1.509V per cell (16.6V per 11 cells battery then)
is the voltage when 0.024*Tmax term is zero, which is at 0'Celsius.
At room temp (25'C) the voltage is 16.60 - 0.024*25 = 16.00V which
is 16V/11 = 1.4545V per cell - about 15mV lower than recommended
by Ovonic maximum of 1.47 VPC.
1.47VPC occurs when the battery should be charged to 16.17V total,
and this can happen at the temp of (16.6-16.17)/-0.024=-17.9'C.
This is why -20'C is declared minimum working temp for the battery;
else you would have to exceed 1.47VPC value which is not allowed.
A battery indeed should never be charged directly to non-compensated
1.509 VPC. I apologize if I implied that.
BTW, Cobasys' 85Ah NiMH battery consists of 12 [identical to Ovonic's]
cells, not 11. So the max voltage this battery should ever be at is
17.64VDC (at -20'C).
HTH,
Victor
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Victor
Take a look at page 34 is the Ovonics brochure
_http://avt.inl.gov/pdf/fsev/sce_rpt/s10_nimh_report.pdf_
(http://avt.inl.gov/pdf/fsev/sce_rpt/s10_nimh_report.pdf)
Says 16.0 volts Max charging 1.509 volts per cell would be 16.599. I also
notice for maximum life they recommend temperature 45 C. On page 29 the DSTC
shows quite a drop when going over temperature 25 C
I have watched the voltage during charging in the factory NiMH truck. The
BMS will not let them go over 1.47 Volts per cell. The 26 batteries 420 volts
right at 1.4685
Don
In a message dated 2/19/2007 3:05:27 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Noel P. Luneau wrote:
Hi Victor,
Did you ever figure out a charging profile for the Ovonics?
Noel,
Yes, I know how to do it, but it may be tricky to set up
with NLG4 unless you can track Ah in and out and can accurately
measure voltage and temperatures. Basically you
have to charge at 20A until thermo-compensated 1.509 VPC is reached,
then drop it to 10A, then to 5A and finally finish off at 5A for
1 hour.
That last top-off step is not necessary to do on every cycle,
only once in a while depending on how the battery is used.If at any of
these steps SOC reach 115% you stop.
If the temp reach 50'C you start cooling, and if reach 60'C stop
charging and wait until it drops at least to 50'C.
Max voltage on charge has negative temp dependency. You compensate
by -0.024T (T in deg Celsius) for 11 cell battery, T being hottest
battery in the string.
Ovonic wants you to measure voltage to +/-0.5V accuracy, but 1% is
really acceptable. Not sure what NLG4 offers.
I have set up my BRUSA NLG513-WA + BCM200 Ah counter in my Honda ACRX
to do about this all, (except I don't have active cooling and start off
with about 10A) and as time permits will upload correct profile to the
NLG5 profiles library page on my web site. I has to deviate from this
profile though because my batteries aren't new and do not possess 85Ah
as rated, so tracking Ah is not helping in my case. I just charge until
they are full and the criteria is their temp rise, I stop when dT/dt
exceeds programmed value. I think I set it to 1'C per minute threshold.
Good luck,
Victor
I have my Force apart and am looking at reprogramming the BC3300
(NLG412) charger and the ACM325 motor controller. I may be able to
accomplish this as there is a working Force near me, but was wondering
if you had any suggestions.
However, what I don't have is a BTMS for the Ovonics that will drive the
customm air cooled fans that I will have to assemble and manage the
charging profile. I was wondering what you use/suggest for these touchy
batteries.
Does anyone else have any suggestions as to what to use for a BTMS?
Thanks,
Noel L
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Noel P. Luneau
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 5:53 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Ovonic's NiMH battery info needed
Hi Victor,
When I contacted Zivan USA they said they have a charging profile for
Ovonics. I'm hoping to have 15 of my 30 13.2v's in my Force.
Solectria must have the charging profile as they used them in the Force
for awhile. There is a document on the Internet when two Forces, EV15
and EVHQ were tested. No charging profiles but interesting reading.
I'll let you know if I can get the charger and controller reprogrammed.
Noel
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From: "Victor Tikhonov"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: 10/5/05 5:39:04 PM
To: "[email protected]"<[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Ovonic's NiMH battery info needed
Roger,
Better than nothing, but still not a thing about charging profile.
I know more details about charging, but would love to see original
Ovonic's info.
Roger Stockton wrote:
http://www.cobasys.com/pdf/transportation/Series9500/Series_9500_Brochur
e.html
The 13.2V module consists of 11 of these 9500-series cells strapped
together and connected in series. The Cobasys series 9500 12V battery
consists of 10 cells strapped together and connected in series.
They are different, but the individual cells that make them up appear
identical and should have the same charge requirements. What little
charge information Cobasys appears to provide can be found in the
brochure for the 9500 series that targets stationary applications:
<http://www.cobasys.com/pdf/stationary/Series9500/ST_Series_9500_Brochur
e.html>
Cheers,
Roger.
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I guess they were a good chemistry with long life but weren't they as
expensive as NiMH & hard to find a charger for? After all is said and done
wasn't it about a 20 k experience to get a hundred mile range in a small
conversion? Lawrence Rhodes.........
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From: "Paul Wallace" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 10:12 AM
Subject: It's official, the Saft STM5-180 nicad has been discontinued
> I didn't see anyone else report this. I just got email from the support
> person in Valdosta with two items of interest. The first is that Lou
> Magnarella is no longer at Saft. The second is that the STM5-180
> batteries have been discontinued. Lou had warned me that they might
> discontinue them soon. I guess now is soon.
>
> I've asked for the details on recycling the batteries when I take mine
> out of service.
>
> Paul Wallace
>
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From: "Lock Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 1:43 PM
Subject: LEV Conference, Taipei Cycle Show March 20-23
> Seems like I've been spammed, but as spam goes, this ain't too bad:
> Not a bit. Thanks for the link!
> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:34:30 +0100
> From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Light Electric Vehicles - The Latest Trends
> LEV Conference just before Taipei Cycle Show
> The LEV Conference and Meetings 2007 will be held in Hsinchu, Taiwan,
" Hsinchu went away." I remenber that song. Sorry, couldn't resist!
Hsinchu is a bit south of Tai Pei, you can try the new Bullet train, I'm
sure it's the first stop out of TaaPei.?The Taiwan Bullet has been up and
runnin; a few months now.
> from March 20-23, 2007 just before Taipei Cycle Show. The event agenda
> represents an update of the latest technological developments,
> standardization, market trends and international legislation. Top
> speakers from around the globe will report on their fields of
> expertise.
>
> This year, you should definitely travel to Taiwan a couple of days
Oh I'd love to! Taiwan is beautiful any time of the year!
> before Taipei Cycle Show starts on March 24th. Why? Because the Light
> Electric Vehicle Conference, which is part of the official show
> program, takes place just before the show. The conference organizers
> ExtraEnergy (Germany) and ITRI Industrial Technology Research Institute
> (Taiwan) agreed with show manager TAITRA to hold the conference on
> separate days from the show and not at the same time as in previous
> years. This allows key representatives from the bicycle industry to
> attend the LEV Conference without missing important business during the
> show. The headquarter of ITRI in Hsinchu offers an excellent facility
> for the 4-day event including speeches, discussions, display of
> exhibits and test ride opportunities.
> I HOPE the Taiwanese are doing some real EV stuff. Come on, Taiwan, blow
away the Mainland guyz in EV's!The Better exhotic batteries are coming out
of Taiwan, better quality control, like other Chinese stuff. "Made in
Taiwan" is better!
Taiwan is the only place Chinese Folks live under Democracy! A US
program, years ago, that was(Gasp) a success!!Not at all like the Other
Place.
> Hsinchu is convenient to reach from CKS Airport Taipei. Accommodations
> are pre-registered for conference guests.
> Or you can be a sport and buy a Honda "Dream" bike and ride there
yourself!
> Program Overview & Highlights
> 20 March 2007: EnergyBus
> The industry meets to to learn about and discuss the further
> developlment of the EnergyBus. The standardized communication protocol
> with an own plug system is expected to truly improve the functionality
> and serviceability of LEV's. The protocol, the plug system
> specification and the functionality of this open system will be
> explained.
> Sounds like a Battery Bus???
> 21 March 2007: Battery Safety
> Representatives of leading manufacturers will provide an update of
> battery technology available today and an outlook to future energy
> storage devices. Learn all about correct battery shipment and testing
> as well as liability of LEV manufacturers and distributors - a key
> decision point after prominent battery fires in the past.
> Good idea, but will take the sport out of it<g>!
> 22 March 2007: Technology
> The most innovative motor, transmission sensor, power electronics, and
> chip manufacturers will explain about their findings and achieved
> improvements as well as future strategies. ExtraEnergy will present an
> update on the 2006/07 test results.
> How many AC Propulsion units went to Taiwan?
EV-1's were shipped to MAINLAND china, though!
> 23 March 2007: Global Market and Legislation
> No other legislation will influence the future LEV design as much as
> the Chinese one. This day will be a very interesting discussion
> platform between representatives of the Chinese government, the
> international trade audience, Bernhard Ensink of the ECF, and
> legislation experts of the TUV. Overviews of the EU and US markets are
> also on the agenda.
Yeah! GO !!TAIWAN! Rah! Rah!
> Well, I hope the Chinese Govt is more interested than 40 years ago!They
didn't give a hoot about my first "Electro Liner" in TaiChung.It may be
there STILL as I sold it to a very nice Chinese Biz man.
> More Information
> More Information about the LEV Conference
> location, accommodation, Sponsoring options
> (PDF download, 4.3MB)
> So somebody GO, already! And report back to us!
Seeya, my two N.T. worth(NT was/is a Taiwan dollar)
Bob, Taiwan survivor.
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At 11:19 AM 2/20/2007, Rick Todd wrote:
I was snooping around the internet and stumbled upon a closeout of NiMH D
size rechargeable cells. Here is the link if anyone is interested.
http://www.onlybatteries.com/showitem.asp?ItemID=13883.61&cat1=14&uid=1425
I think these are cheaper per AH:
http://www.onlybatteries.com/showitem.asp?ItemID=13768
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John G. Lussmyer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dragons soar and Tigers prowl while I dream....
http://www.CasaDelGato.com
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I have retired my craftmans 42" Converted EVmower
because of the bad tranmission and various other
issues.
It does have a pretty good deck though. I was thinking
about converting it to a walk behind mower. The etek
would just run the deck which it has more then enough
power to do. And I'd have another small motor if
needed help to move it. But without me and the bady
hydro transmission on it it should be alot easier to
move.
I have been trying to find a proper large push behind
mower but they are all over a grand even used. Anyone
ever try anything like this? Anyone in north texas
have an electrak or walk behind to sell?
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> Most of us on the list seem to be using Manzanita
> Micro:
>
> Converting a gen. 5 Honda Civic? My $20 video/DVD
> has my '92 sedan, as well as a del Sol and hatch too!
> Learn more at:
> www.budget.net/~bbath/CivicWithACord.html
Really? I'm not. I have a Russco Charger.
http://www.russcoev.com/images/oj_front_batt
Mike's "EV Photo Album" shows the Zivan is by far the leader in EV battery
chargers.
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/chrgr
And, according to my production records, the "EV Photo Album" represents
only a small fraction of actual charger sales. List EV owners are
probably more apt to list their vehicle on the "EV Photo Album" than
"regular" EV owners, but the proportion for comparisons should be fairly
consistent.
Russ Kaufmann
RUSSCO Engineering
The Other PFC Charger With Built In GFCI
http://www.russcoev.com
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www.all-battery.com and www.batteryspace.com are also cheap
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From: "John G. Lussmyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: NiMH D size battery closeout
At 11:19 AM 2/20/2007, Rick Todd wrote:
I was snooping around the internet and stumbled upon a closeout of NiMH D
size rechargeable cells. Here is the link if anyone is interested.
http://www.onlybatteries.com/showitem.asp?ItemID=13883.61&cat1=14&uid=1425
I think these are cheaper per AH:
http://www.onlybatteries.com/showitem.asp?ItemID=13768
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John G. Lussmyer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dragons soar and Tigers prowl while I dream.... http://www.CasaDelGato.com
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In a message dated 2/20/07 7:47:21 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< Subj: Re: White Zombie 11s??no 10s
Date: 2/20/07 7:47:21 AM Pacific Standard Time
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roderick Wilde)
Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-to: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
I think I am following you here Dennis. You are saying you like to use the
Speedworld calculator but you are also saying that it is not reliable for
calculations on electric cars. Thus you are restating that the truth is in
the time slip and not the calculator. I totally agree!
Roderick Wilde
"Suck Amps EV Racing"
www.suckamps.com >>
The speedworld calc. said I had many more hp than I really had in the
batteries for the et. that the CE ran with the weight carried.So I assume that
folks
should run at least as fast as the speedworld calc.says they should with the
weight they carry and the battery hp they have.Again they Should be quicker,but
at least as quick.In a couple of months I will see if this also holds true
for the S10 I am bulding.By the way the frame and cage were painted emeron
black
yesterday,final wet sanding of the body the rest of this week and next. D
Berube
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Cheapest (D cells) per Ah I've come across:
http://www.all-battery.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=568
On 21/02/2007, at 4:37 AM, John G. Lussmyer wrote:
At 11:19 AM 2/20/2007, Rick Todd wrote:
I was snooping around the internet and stumbled upon a closeout of
NiMH D
size rechargeable cells. Here is the link if anyone is interested.
http://www.onlybatteries.com/showitem.asp?
ItemID=13883.61&cat1=14&uid=1425
I think these are cheaper per AH:
http://www.onlybatteries.com/showitem.asp?ItemID=13768
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John G. Lussmyer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dragons soar and Tigers prowl while I dream.... http://
www.CasaDelGato.com
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If the mount shifted inches, and the tranny mounts did not, then the assembly
has rotated. Since the motor seems OK, that means something down the driveline
is rubbing or possibly a CV joint is at it's max. angle. Reposition the mount
and fix it in place good, and it should be OK.
David Brandt
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From: Peter Eckhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Don
Crohan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 3:27:31 AM
Subject: Scrapping noise
Hello All,
We have a TEAA member who hit a bad bump. The motor mount on his Geo
metro shifted down a couple of inches. The motor - adapter plate -
transmission connection looks solid but there is a scrapping noise
coming from the car. We put the car on a hoist and examined the brushes
but we could not see anything apparent.
He does not want to drive it for fear of doing more damage (if the noise
indicates damage is being done).
Has anyone "been there"?
I am looking for someone with a sound recorder so I can put this up on
our web site.
Peter
cc Buddy Toler
Don Crohan
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The ones at the link I posted are cheaper.
At 03:27 PM 2/20/2007, Ian Hooper wrote:
Cheapest (D cells) per Ah I've come across:
http://www.all-battery.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=568
On 21/02/2007, at 4:37 AM, John G. Lussmyer wrote:
At 11:19 AM 2/20/2007, Rick Todd wrote:
I was snooping around the internet and stumbled upon a closeout of
NiMH D
size rechargeable cells. Here is the link if anyone is interested.
http://www.onlybatteries.com/showitem.asp? ItemID=13883.61&cat1=14&uid=1425
I think these are cheaper per AH:
http://www.onlybatteries.com/showitem.asp?ItemID=13768
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John G. Lussmyer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dragons soar and Tigers prowl while I dream.... http://
www.CasaDelGato.com
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John G. Lussmyer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dragons soar and Tigers prowl while I dream....
http://www.CasaDelGato.com
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No,
The sale of John's 8-pack is $39.97, so only $5 per 10 Ah battery iso yours
$6.74
Cor.
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ian Hooper
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 3:27 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: NiMH D size battery closeout
Cheapest (D cells) per Ah I've come across:
http://www.all-battery.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=568
On 21/02/2007, at 4:37 AM, John G. Lussmyer wrote:
> At 11:19 AM 2/20/2007, Rick Todd wrote:
>> I was snooping around the internet and stumbled upon a closeout of
>> NiMH D size rechargeable cells. Here is the link if anyone is
>> interested.
>>
>> http://www.onlybatteries.com/showitem.asp?
>> ItemID=13883.61&cat1=14&uid=1425
>
> I think these are cheaper per AH:
> http://www.onlybatteries.com/showitem.asp?ItemID=13768
>
> --
> John G. Lussmyer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Dragons soar and Tigers prowl while I dream.... http://
> www.CasaDelGato.com
>
>
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Community Marketplace
http://visforvoltage.net/forums/buy-sell-trade
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 1:14 PM
Subject: EV Spare Parts For Sale.
Hello list,
I have a ring clamp and an adapter plate that would fit the Advanced DC
Motors' FB-4001A 8" motor. The adapter plate is for a Ford Ranger, 1996,
I
believe. To my knowledge, they have never been in a vehicle. I used my
own design
when I converted my car. These are a little nicked up from being on a
shelf,
but that's it.
The ring clamp lists new for $194.25 at EVPARTS.COM. The adapter plate
new
is probably around $275. I would like to get $225 for both parts.
Pictures available upon request for serious inquirers.
Let me know off the list, please!
David in Georgia
Ratliffgrp AT AOL DOT COM
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If the scraping noise was on turn only, I'd call it
wheel bearing, or CV axles.
If it was only in certain gears, I'd call it tranny
wear waiting for a reason to make itself known. (Been
there).
If this still yielded no insight, I'd try to raise it
the 2" it came down by. It MUST be able to withstand
this type of abuse. Most use 3/16" _or better_ steel
to fab such a mount. My transaxle is _exactly_ on the
horizontal. I can only imagine the stresses if it was
2" down on one side on the 1/2-shafts!
If this fails to correct the issue, I'd disassemble
the motor/trans. on the rig (sorry, it's gotta be
down), and rig it up to a 12V source by itself. I'd
re-do the motor mount. --- Peter Eckhoff
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> We have a TEAA member who hit a bad bump. The motor
> mount on his Geo
> metro shifted down a couple of inches. The motor -
> adapter plate -
> transmission connection looks solid but there is a
> scrapping noise
> coming from the car. We put the car on a hoist and
> examined the brushes
> but we could not see anything apparent.
>
> He does not want to drive it for fear of doing more
> damage (if the noise
> indicates damage is being done).
>
> Has anyone "been there"?
>
> I am looking for someone with a sound recorder so I
> can put this up on
> our web site.
>
> Peter
>
> cc Buddy Toler
> Don Crohan
>
>
Converting a gen. 5 Honda Civic? My $20 video/DVD
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I have a 96 Volt Delta-Q charger in the 1974 VW that Bob Anderson rebuilt
for me last year. It was originally a 120 Volt system, using ten 12 Volt
batteries, and I asked him to change it to 96 Volts and use 6 Volt
batteries. The original charger, KW with some sort of add on to make it
120, was awful. If the batteries weren't dusted way more often than I do
my house the charger would kick off and have to be reset. Fortunately, it
wouldn't even work when Bob finished the car so I ordered the Delta-Q from
Randy at Canev. Randy programmed it for the batteries I have (Pacer -
built by Trojan and equivalent to the T-105 according to the dealer). Bob
really liked it when it arrived, and he knows way more about chargers than
do I. The car was finished about the middle of May and replaced my Citicar
as my main car. In November Bob came over, checked the batteries and added
water. They needed some but the plates were all still covered. This was
after a summer of over 110 degrees for much of the time, so I was pleased.
Roger, if you hadn't tested the charger for hot weather use, it does great.
I can't get to the batteries myself so Bob will have to do the checkup and
watering when he has time, which is not often for such a busy person. If
the charger is responsible for keeping the water level from dropping all
summer here in Las Vegas I am very impressed. It could also be due to the
quality of Bob's work. He took a car that had been sitting in my driveway
for a couple of years and totally transformed it. His attention to detail
is remarkable.
Things I like about the charger are that it is totally quiet and it turns
itself off when done, so I don't have to worry about unplugging until I am
ready to drive. Also, it is isolated. I am an EV driver, not an engineer
or mechanic, so have no clue as to why that matters, but I have seen enough
comments about it on the list that I decided it is important. It is very
small too, so fits nicely under the hood. One vote for Delta-Q!
Regards,
Gai
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How about a video section?
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What about simply adding a link from youtube or google videos? I just tested
and apparently the site does not currently support this. Maybe that is a
simple upgrade, but I doubt it.
Good idea though
On 2/20/07, Dmitri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
How about a video section?
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Can you buy a Russco From Russco? Looks good to me, want to order one, Without
the turn off option will it charge forever? Or is this ac off? Wonder why no
220v ac option... Thanks Hap
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Battery charger recommendation
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 12:52:53 -0800 (PST)
> Most of us on the list seem to be using Manzanita
> Micro:
>
> Converting a gen. 5 Honda Civic? My $20 video/DVD
> has my '92 sedan, as well as a del Sol and hatch too!
> Learn more at:
> www.budget.net/~bbath/CivicWithACord.html
Really? I'm not. I have a Russco Charger.
http://www.russcoev.com/images/oj_front_batt
Mike's "EV Photo Album" shows the Zivan is by far the leader in EV battery
chargers.
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/chrgr
And, according to my production records, the "EV Photo Album" represents
only a small fraction of actual charger sales. List EV owners are
probably more apt to list their vehicle on the "EV Photo Album" than
"regular" EV owners, but the proportion for comparisons should be fairly
consistent.
Russ Kaufmann
RUSSCO Engineering
The Other PFC Charger With Built In GFCI
http://www.russcoev.com
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Can someone help a friend (Richard) with the following question?
thanks
mario
I put in a pack that fully charged is 118vdc (-8- GM Ovonics NiMH
batteries). My GE EV-1 has 96v series/48v parallel modes. Here's my
question. In 96 mode, the power fluctuates after a couple of minutes,
just dropping out when giving the controller a lot of volts---3/4
throttle. Power is restored and operates normally when I switch to 48v
parallel mode. Could it be that the Controller is getting too much voltage
when in series mode, and drops out for that reason? I've checked all the
connections, and can't find anything loose.
Any thoughts you can offer would be helpful, thanks.
Richard
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My bad, I was looking at the regular price.
$5 for a 10Ah NiMH D cell is pretty good hey, 42c per Wh..
On 21/02/2007, at 8:53 AM, Cor van de Water wrote:
No,
The sale of John's 8-pack is $39.97, so only $5 per 10 Ah battery
iso yours
$6.74
Cor.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ian Hooper
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 3:27 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: NiMH D size battery closeout
Cheapest (D cells) per Ah I've come across:
http://www.all-battery.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=568
On 21/02/2007, at 4:37 AM, John G. Lussmyer wrote:
At 11:19 AM 2/20/2007, Rick Todd wrote:
I was snooping around the internet and stumbled upon a closeout of
NiMH D size rechargeable cells. Here is the link if anyone is
interested.
http://www.onlybatteries.com/showitem.asp?
ItemID=13883.61&cat1=14&uid=1425
I think these are cheaper per AH:
http://www.onlybatteries.com/showitem.asp?ItemID=13768
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Dragons soar and Tigers prowl while I dream.... http://
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I ran the full 1000 Amp limit at 170V on the motor side into my Warp9 while
running the Deka AGM's. It made the motor quite warm after a few miles of full
power accelerations. Not too hot to touch though, and no arcing. I suspect
the motors could take quite a bit more abuse than the Z1K can put out as long
as you keep the motor voltage limited to prevent brush arcing. Anyone else
know any different?
Mike,
Anchorage, Ak.
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From: Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:44 am
Subject: Re: A Zilla 1K can produce 320 kilowatts, so this is doable.
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <[email protected]>
> neon said "That is more like the reasonable motor limit for an ADC 8
> inch motor with advanced timing"...
>
> Well I have a 9" warp DC rebuilt by Jim husted. I would like to
> push it
> a little harder, what should my zilla settings be?
>
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I've been working on my EV over the past few months and need a reality check on
the performance ... that is before I assume the batteries are bad and replace
them.
The car is:
93 Festiva
9" ADC
96 V - 8 x 12 Deka AGM Group 24, 78 AH at 20 Amp rate
GE EV-1B controller / 5H9 card - running at 96 V / 320 Motor Amps max / 300
Hz frequency
No DC-DC, nothing connected to tail shaft of 9" motor.
Approx weight is 2200 lb.
Tires - 13" inflated to 45 PSI rear (seems a little high, but that is what
they were at when the car arrived) / 35 PSI front.
Motor is stock, brushes look OK, 9600 EV miles on motor (never serviced)
Car originally had:
400 A Curtis 1221B, but it blew up all the FETs and diodes on the power stage
13 x 8 T-875's that were last replaced in the year 2000. They were very bad,
so I just took them out and put in a hand me down set of batts, which I assume
are also well past their useful life.
It supposedly originally had a 20 mile usable range in real world conditions
with a top speed of 70 MPH.
Currently:
I get about 55 MPH top speed and only 4 mile range which is 1/2 mile per
battery. The acceleration is very good all considered. I think as good or
better than stock ICE. I know the batts are small and the EV-1 is a battery
eater, but is that all I can expect for range. I only need 4 miles, but I'm
afraid of what might happen on a cold day. I'm literally coasting the last 1/4
mile.
I figure the car is no worse than 300 Wh-hr / mile, so I am getting only 1200
Wh-hr usable energy out of that pack ... At 20 A drain, it should be 7800
Wh-hr. Derate it 50% for EV drain rate (a guess) is still 3900 Wh-hr. Max DOD
= 80% leaves only 3120 Wh-hr. That means I should be able to get 10 miles.
But, I've heard of other people only getting about 15 miles out of a 12 x 12
of Optimas. So, maybe my batts really aren't that good at EV drain rates. I'm
sure they are AGM. Or, is it simply the EV-1 that is killing them with 500 A+
pulses at a 300 Hz rate.
I've got a Curtis 550 A that I could put in and compare. I was also thinking
about changing one batt in the string for a brand new one and see if it has
drastic different performance than the used batts.
This just doesn't add up to me, but I don't see what could be wrong besides
the batts being near dead. But, a friend is using the same batts, same age in
his car and is getting 13 miles out of a 12 x 12 string on Curtis 500 A driving
ADC 8" about 2500-2800 lb car. The batts are the same batch and were used
equally. I know because I got them from him. So, what could be wrong with my
car vs his? Could it really be the EV-1 killing them that bad?
Or, am I simply not fully charging them. He has a very nice Delta Q charger,
and I have an old beast of a BC-20 followed by a 2A trickle charge for hours
and hours. After charge, I get between 103 and 105 V out of the 96 V pack
(after several hours of rest following charger shut off). He is getting about
the same finish voltage on a per batt basis.
It's just a mystery to me. As much as I love the AGMs, I think I better go
back to flooded on my next set. I can get 12 V / 80 AH flooded deep cycle
(also group 24) with something like 600 A max drain for 5 sec. At EV running
drain of about 100 A, I figure they should be good for 10 mile range to 80%
DOD. Or, am I wrong? I don't even know if those things will really hold up at
100 A drain, even if only in short bursts for 4 miles / day ... It's about
$525 for a set of 8. I'd like 120 Ah or higher, but they don't come in group
24. There really isn't a good solution for my 96 V system / 4 mile typical
range / day. I looked at Optimas and Orbitals, but those things only have 50
AH. 80% DOD, 40 AH. That's nothing when you only have 8 batts. My experience
with flooded golf cart batts is slow because of all the weight. I want 12 V to
keep the weight down
Thanks for any suggestions,
Steve
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Hi Lawrence and All,
Dan makes a great quality kitcar that's
lightweight, aero with a strong, easy to work on chassis to
make an EV to give the Tesla a run for the money!! It's a
modified Ford GT-40 look alike but much better quality than
the original Fords!
Finished without batts should weigh under 1,000
lbs and very aero, low frontal area making it a great long
distance and fast machine in the same unit. It also allows a
li-ion pack, ect without breaking the bank. A 20kw pack
should get you 150-200 miles in any batt.
There are several Fiberfab lists you can join
if you are thinking of an EV like this. There are many other
good kitcars, many dead and cheap that would be great to
convert to EV's.
Jerry Dycus
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From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List"
<[email protected]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "SFEVA"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Valkyrie Kitcar planning future EV version
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 11:05:33 -0800
>Do not contact Lawrence Rhodes I am only the messenger.
>This sounds like a good partnership for Rich and Otmar.
>They are in Oregon too. Lawrence Rhodes
>
>>From :
>Daniel Richer - Fiberfab US
>daniel.richer@ fiberfab.us
>
>Dear Electrifying Times,
>
>My name is Daniel Richer,
>
>Having recently discovered that Electrifying Times is based
>in BEND, OR., I thought I would introduce myself, my
>company, and the in-planning future EV version, of our
>popular Valkyrie Kitcar. Our Valkyrie supercar has been the
>Flagship of our company for over 30 years, having gone thru
>several evolutions, generations and models!
>
>At this time it is the primary model we sell, although ICE
>driven, we have current plans for an EV version of this
>car. Low profile, lightweight, exotic styling, all are an
>advantage!
>
>At this time we are in the process of acquiring economic EV
>technology for the car that will meet our desired criteria
>concerning: Range, Dependability, and Highway Speed
>Viability.
>
>Formerly based in Washington State for years, and having
>distributed vehicles nationally, we have kept a pulse on
>the alternative energy and fueled vehicle marketplace. In
>such, we feel that the market is wide enough for a economic
>EV Version of our Valkyrie kitcar, having the looks of the
>Teslamotors Supercar, and the affordability of most Kitcars
>, in the forth coming year, one of our focuses will be just
>this, an electric version of our car!
>
>Other prototype projects on our drawing board include a
>3-wheeled (2f,1r) model of kit, utilizing a motorcycle
>drivetrain version as a nich market product to 3-wheel
>enthusiasts!
>
>You visit our website at:
>http://www.fiberfab.us
>to see our Valkyrie Series of Kitcars!
>
>The recent completion of our factory facility in La Pine,
>OR., makes Central Oregon a common locale to both of our
>ventures, although still in the unpacking stages of our new
>location, we look forward to the expansion of our
>capability.
>
>The future product line of our company will feature many
>items from: ICE, HYBRID, & EV vehicles, Cargos and Utility
>Trailers, Speciality Food Service Carts, Solar
>Implementations and a wide selections of diversified
>products
>
>And now for the key question...
>
>We would love to purchase complete engineered drivetrains
>from an experienced provider. Feeling no need to re-invent
>the wheel, along with being infantile to the EV World, we
>are sure there are qualified individuals and companies
>already out there, that would love to become an Alliance
>Partner in the provision of EV drivetrains for us.
>
>Our Company, with a past history of ICE powertrains, just
>lacks the knowledge of them, in hopes of an accelerated
>jump on our project, and as an advantage to all enthusiasts
>alike, your knowledge, expertise, & wisdom in this market
>could be of great benefit to everyone, in suggesting a
>provider for drivetrains to our upcoming EV version of the
>Valkyrie kitcar.
>
>Thank you very much for your time and consideration to our
>questions,
>
>I look forward to your reply,
>
>Sincerly,
>
>Daniel Lee Richer
>President
>Fiberfab US
>daniel.richer@ fiberfab.us
>
>New Facility Location
>52745 Drafter rd.
>La Pine, Or. 97739
>
>Factory Fiberfab US
>http://www.fiberfab.us
>1-541-536-0550 direct
>1-888-281-2220 toll free
>
>
>
>
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