EV Digest 6590
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: ***DHSPAM*** Re: We Blow Things Up, So You Don't Have To...2007
by "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: ***DHSPAM*** Re: We Blow Things Up, So You Don't Have To...2007
by "peekay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: ***DHSPAM*** Re: We Blow Things Up, So You Don't Have To...2007
by "Philippe Borges" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: We Blow Things Up, So You Don't Have To...2007
by Frank John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) virgin flight
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
6) Re: We Blow Things Up, So You Don't Have To...2007
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: You Write so WE don't have to, WAS Blow Things Up, So You Don't Have
To...2007
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: Vicor mini DC/DC converter
by Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: Quick rundown on FAQ questions
by "FRED JEANETTE MERTENS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: Newbie melts a battery terminal
by "FRED JEANETTE MERTENS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: Crimp hex jaw size needed 4/0 cable?
by "FRED JEANETTE MERTENS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: Big Honking Motor
by "FRED JEANETTE MERTENS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: We Blow Things Up, So You Don't Have To...2007
by "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Quick rundown on FAQ questions
by Rod Hower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: Better Data Logging Options?
by Mark Brueggemann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: ARGGG, destroying expensive lifepo4 cells. :( Need a "button" fuse.
by Shop Grunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: ***DHSPAM*** Re: We Blow Things Up, So You Don't Have To...2007
by Rod Hower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) EVA/DC President to present case for PHEV on Capitol Hill
by Chip Gribben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: You Write so WE don't have to, WAS Blow Things Up, So You Don't Have
To...2007
by "Dmitri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: Prius battery packs
by John Fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: Newbie melts a battery terminal
by "Paul G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: You Write so WE don't have to, WAS Blow Things Up, So You Don't Have
To...2007
by "Paul G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: Horrifying trailer towing experience
by Robert Lemke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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John,
We love your stories and applaud your efforts. We
realize you are one of the pioneers. We learn a lot
all the time from you and the other pros, engineers,
racers, enginees, hobbyists, inventors, dealers,
specialists, and even the newbees and dimwits. This
is absolutely the best list because of these factors
and participants, but especially the many EV pioneers
on this list. We would comment more, but feel so
inadequate and are at a loss for words when confronted
with your efforts and brilliance. Please keep up the
good work and realize the silent lurkers are stunned,
impressed, and grateful. We would be years learning
what is discussed weekly on this list.
Ed, Ryan, Randy, Lou, Kim, Gary, Rose, John, Jay,
Robert, Marcio, and Staff
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and
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and
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--- John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello to Joe and All,
>
> Joe Smalley wrote:
>
> >As an engineer, I love the slogan, "we blow things
> up, so you don't have
> >to." Keep up the good job you are doing by going
> fast and telling the stories.
> >Lots of people design stuff that should go fast.
> Your stories are the biggest
> >attraction that has kept me reading the EV list
> daily over the last eleven
> >years. Thanks, John. You make it worth staying
> subscribed.
> >
> >
> This was a great way to end my late night Friday,
> reading the above
> before hitting the sack!
>
> I must confess, lately I've asked myself why I
> bother to take as much
> time as I do to create the posts I come up with,
> only to sometimes not
> have a single response on the EVDL. It 'was' making
> me wonder, like Rod
> said, if there's any interest anymore.
>
> The above did wonders for me, thanks Joe! I guess
> I'll go ahead and
> finish my post that's almost all done and 'was'
> destined to the trash
> bin, about the recent Roadster Show, and get it to
> the EVDL, now that I
> know there's still a few out there that still care.
>
> See Ya......John Wayland
>
>
____________________________________________________________________________________
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with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut.
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From: "John Wayland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I must confess, lately I've asked myself why I bother to take as much
> time as I do to create the posts I come up with, only to sometimes not
> have a single response on the EVDL. It 'was' making me wonder, like Rod
> said, if there's any interest anymore.
>
> The above did wonders for me, thanks Joe! I guess I'll go ahead and
> finish my post that's almost all done and 'was' destined to the trash
> bin, about the recent Roadster Show, and get it to the EVDL, now that I
> know there's still a few out there that still care.
>
> See Ya......John Wayland
there aren't a 'few' out there .. there are hordes of us who
follow the threads from experts and authoritative sources
like you .. and we are as the good lord made us .. utterly lazy
and slow and silent and silly to not acknowledge the enormous
benefits that we get from your emails and from the emails
of others here
keep up the traffic guys .. the whole world is listening !
..peekay
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Hi John and all,
John, may i appologise ?
I'm gilty, gilty reading twice and more your wayland 'erful stories, drag
racing and shows participations with delectation but without making myself a
commentary or thanks for such great time.
Why ? maybe because i don't know how to answer to your incredible
adventures...
I don't have such great EV time here other the pond so near nothing to
compare or write about...
but your last message make me remember that sometimes only two words are
enough so:
thank you !
Lot's of people pass here and go away, others are still there and will for
long time more, sort of old virtual friends, don't forget that when you
write about your adventures.
i promise i will find something interesting to answer...probably not each
time as i dont have your writing skill but i will try...
note that it will be easier for me when you will brake more records ;^)
So please keep braking things though concentrate in breaking ICE slip times,
not EV parts :^)
middle 11' will happen soon...and i will be there to read about that and
congratulate you, be sure of it !
Cordialement,
Philippe
Et si le pot d'échappement sortait du volant, quel carburant choisiriez-vous
?
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr
Forum de discussion sur les véhicules électriques
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr/Forum/index.php
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From: "John Wayland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: ***DHSPAM*** Re: We Blow Things Up, So You Don't Have To...2007
Hello to Joe and All,
Joe Smalley wrote:
As an engineer, I love the slogan, "we blow things up, so you don't have
to." Keep up the good job you are doing by going fast and telling the
stories.
Lots of people design stuff that should go fast. Your stories are the
biggest
attraction that has kept me reading the EV list daily over the last eleven
years. Thanks, John. You make it worth staying subscribed.
This was a great way to end my late night Friday, reading the above before
hitting the sack!
I must confess, lately I've asked myself why I bother to take as much time
as I do to create the posts I come up with, only to sometimes not have a
single response on the EVDL. It 'was' making me wonder, like Rod said, if
there's any interest anymore.
The above did wonders for me, thanks Joe! I guess I'll go ahead and finish
my post that's almost all done and 'was' destined to the trash bin, about
the recent Roadster Show, and get it to the EVDL, now that I know there's
still a few out there that still care.
See Ya......John Wayland
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FWIW, I am very interested in EV performance but don't like to clog the List up
with "way to go" messages too often. Hopefully we all appreciate those who
push-the-envelope a bit. I can't wait for May C&D!!! Oh yeah - I wasn't born
in the US although I now live in Maine (born in Windsor, Ontario = Canadian
Motown).
----- Original Message ----
From: Roderick Wilde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 11:59:59 PM
Subject: Re: We Blow Things Up, So You Don't Have To...2007
Hi Mike, Thanks for responding. I have noticed over a period of time that
there does not seem to be a lot of responses to items of this nature. I do
not really know if people on the List do not really care about pressing the
envelope of EV performance or not. I am not sure if it is apathy or
something else. John is by far the best orator on these adventures and this
subject and yet to see so little response seems to me to indicate little
interest. This actually may be the case now days. Several years back there
seemed to be quite a bit more interest in pushing the envelope of EV
development but hey, times change and we are now living in a world of
apathy. Note: purely my own opinions from my own observations. I am sure it
is not everywhere. I just happen to live in the US. It is not my fault where
I was born. For people born elsewhere please speak up on your opinions of EV
performance.
Roderick Wilde
"Suck Amps EV Racing"
www.suckamps.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "MIKE WILLMON" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: We Blow Things Up, So You Don't Have To...2007
> Hey John,
>
> Any chance the camera crew provided you with any clips to tease us with??
> Or are they holding footage for their full length feature film about a guy
> in a Plasmaboy suit??
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 10:41 pm
> Subject: We Blow Things Up, So You Don't Have To...2007
> To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
>
>> Hello to All,
>>
>> about the time I was maneuvering the big Isuzu service truck in
>> place,
>> Greg and his band of energetic camera toting high school video
>> students
>> arrived to help secure the area.
>>
>>
>> It's all caught on 4 cameras, including a car-cam securely
>> strapped into
>> the Zombie's passenger seat (check it out at the 'Photos' page).
>
>
>
>
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> 7:44 AM
>
>
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wanting to order batteries already, i decided to finally
test my motor and controller -
i hooked up my solectria ac42 3-phase motor to its umoc445tf controller,
after having faked a little controller box (fwd/rev,speed,on/off etc) and
a dc high voltage 'battery' supply (2 5000uF capacitors and a full wave
rectifier in a cardboard box)
..
nothing.
ug, i must;ve been sold a dud down the river. this after having been stood up
by a honey i'd been hot for for weeks, booted from a competition i spent
tons of time preparing for, and burnt out the motor head of my suzuki alto (tho
the ice's loss is the electric's gain)
anyway i checked out the manual, saw you gotta give 15 minutes charging time for
every month the umoc isnt connected...seemd unlikely but i left it hooked up
anyway overnight.
this morning i tried for some rpms once again...and the motor started bucking
around like a newborn foal!! christmas morning in haifa. son of a gun.
ice'd my way up to honey's place and banged on her door until i wrangled a
promise of face time tonight...life is sweet again
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From: "Frank John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 6:01 AM
Subject: Re: We Blow Things Up, So You Don't Have To...2007
> FWIW, I am very interested in EV performance but don't like to clog the
List up with "way to go" messages too often. Hopefully we all appreciate
those who push-the-envelope a bit. I can't wait for May C&D!!! Oh yeah - I
wasn't born in the US although I now live in Maine (born in Windsor, Ontario
= Canadian Motown).
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Roderick Wilde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 11:59:59 PM
> Subject: Re: We Blow Things Up, So You Don't Have To...2007
>
> Hi Mike, Thanks for responding. I have noticed over a period of time that
> there does not seem to be a lot of responses to items of this nature. I do
> not really know if people on the List do not really care about pressing
the
> envelope of EV performance or not. I am not sure if it is apathy or
> something else. John is by far the best orator on these adventures and
this
> subject and yet to see so little response seems to me to indicate little
> interest. This actually may be the case now days. Several years back there
> seemed to be quite a bit more interest in pushing the envelope of EV
> development but hey, times change and we are now living in a world of
> apathy. Note: purely my own opinions from my own observations. I am sure
it
> is not everywhere. I just happen to live in the US. It is not my fault
where
> I was born. For people born elsewhere please speak up on your opinions of
EV
> performance.
>
> Roderick Wilde
> "Suck Amps EV Racing"
> www.suckamps.com
>
> Hi Rod, an' EVerybody;
Were listening! Here on the LEast Coast, there isn't much happening.
Action is usually imported. Believe me, White Zombie , Maniac Mazda and
Current Elininater are a few of the household words around here, at
meetings, of OUR EAA Gang.We are just a bit out of the circuit here, no
local racing, you hafta drive 3-4 hours just to GET to a drag strip in Nimby
land, Corrupticut.An inconvenient 10 hour drive to get to Power of DC EVen!
Most of us around here enjoy the development of EV technology. One tech
thing that, unlike aviation, ISN'T developed by bigger and better ways to
kill people. The Hawkers in the Zombie probably would make a nice easy
maintainence pack for a daily driver?As would a Siamese , direct drive
setup? I think, IF there was a drag strip around here, guyz might be
inspired to race!Gees! In PDX you can just drive over or take a Trolley(the
MAX) to the races. Oh not to RUN it, but to get there!
Wafting around town , to go to all the enchantimg places we hafta go,
flowing with the current, in our daily drivers, is pretty much it, here. But
we sure enjoy the heartwarming vids and stories of EV's kicking ass on the
trak!
The trailer misshap story is a reality check! Well I was flattowing and
nearly had a jackknife, wrestling Rabbit and Van to the side of the road!
Fortunately no body else had to participate!A bit like the Titanic's
skipper, It won't happen to me! I have hauled the Rabbit all over hell and
gone, no problems and to have the pin fall out of my towing wishbone setup;
I remember Dave Stensland remarking of the fraility of my pin securing setup
hours before. IF I had just wrapped the thing in Duct Tape it woulda stayed
in. Or used a BOLT an' Nut!or TWO nuts tightened against each other.
So, be careful in transporting yur EV! Don't let Stupid Shit take it
from you!Go slow, plan ahead, WAY ahead, if possable, like a freight train
driver HAS to!
Yes! Were listinin' Keep the Racing reports coming in!
Seeya
Bob
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Wayland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 2:54 AM
Subject: Re: ***DHSPAM*** Re: We Blow Things Up, So You Don't Have To...2007
> Hello to Joe and All,
>
> Joe Smalley wrote:
>
> >As an engineer, I love the slogan, "we blow things up, so you don't have
> >to." Keep up the good job you are doing by going fast and telling the
stories.
> >Lots of people design stuff that should go fast. Your stories are the
biggest
> >attraction that has kept me reading the EV list daily over the last
eleven
> >years. Thanks, John. You make it worth staying subscribed.
> >
> >
> This was a great way to end my late night Friday, reading the above
> before hitting the sack!
>
> I must confess, lately I've asked myself why I bother to take as much
> time as I do to create the posts I come up with, only to sometimes not
> have a single response on the EVDL. It 'was' making me wonder, like Rod
> said, if there's any interest anymore.
>
> The above did wonders for me, thanks Joe! I guess I'll go ahead and
> finish my post that's almost all done and 'was' destined to the trash
> bin, about the recent Roadster Show, and get it to the EVDL, now that I
> know there's still a few out there that still care.
>
> See Ya......John Wayland
> Hi John;
WE CARE! Don't think for a nanosecond that we arent listening! No,
honestly, guyz, don't ya scroll down to John's post and read it FIRST!Get
your mourning EV hit's. Chuckle over to Jim Husted's, Mike Wilmon's and
(Gasp) EVen mine? But as somebody remarked, in the posts that we just don't
hold a candle to YOUR way to tell a story. So, PLEASE keep 'em coming. I'm
sure I'm speaking for the Silent Majority here. You guyz have SO much fun,
out there in PDX and surrounding towns. Envey stuff here, in this EV
Wasteland, out here.Can ya bring Zombie out to Power of DC? Ha Ha! just what
ya need 3000 miles with Jim in a towing rig!ONE WAY! But that you brought Zo
mbie most of the way, to Joliet, last year.My long lost Rabbit actually
shared pavement with Zombie, in it's last weak of life.Yeah! I'm dreaming,
here. We were darn lucky that you got out to Illinois as it was.
IF I had a more higher place at Amtrak I would load you and crew on a
train, with Zombie in the baggage car for a relaxing 'Cruise" across the USA
to the next drag EVent. Mere engineer, retired, aint good enough.Although
you COULD Auto Train yur EV from FLA to DC, hint, hint, guyz in FLA , on the
Auto Train, a commercial thing anybody can PAY and ride.This Auto Train
thing shuld be nationwide. Hah! Amtrak has to fight the Battle of the Budget
EVery damn year in Congress, (opposite of PROgress) just to SURVIVE, to keep
1920's servive alive, in USA. No TGV's and bullet trains here. Sigh!
Your Fan klub heard from here!
Bob, in Corrupticut
>
>
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If it's the one I think it is, it can be used, but you
need to have a way to connect it to a stub of metal,
instead of soldering, crimp terminal, etc.
I'd try Belktronix. We need to find out if it's going
to be a reliable unit, and it puts out bounteous amps.
Also remember there is the DCP DCDC which has a +/-
feed to an e-meter on e-bay right now. (I think it's
via Peter Senkowski, since the seller is in
Clearlake...)
But the DCP only packs <30A, while the Belktronix can
do 50 or so.
Hope that helps,
--- Tony Hwang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
http://www.vicorpower.com/documents/datasheets/ds_375vin-micro-family.pdf
>
> Would something like this be usable with a 320V
> nominal system?
>
> 250-425V input, 12V output, 75W, it's so small, and
> less than 3 pounds? Seems too good to be true
> considering other DC/DC EV converters I've seen! The
> applications don't list EV use on the pdf datasheet,
> so maybe I'm missing something?
>
> - Tony
>
>
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for #14 try motor protection
fuses
circuit breakers
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From: Jim Husted<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: EVDL<mailto:ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 1:44 AM
Subject: Quick rundown on FAQ questions
Hey all
I sat down and listed a bunch of groups and sub-groups
which I'll write on. Just thought I'd run this by you
for input. I feel I'll be able to cover a lot of
topics and questions meeting most peoples needs. Let
me know if there's something that could be added. I
got quite a mouthful to write as it is here so I'm
hoping it'll be enough to get started and worthy of
your attention.
As follows:
Motor selection:
Shafts
Brushes
Size (does matter)
Voltages
Motor types
Scrap yard finds (diamonds in the rough)
Using a forklift Motor:
pre-buy basics
Disassembly
Cleaning
Reassembly
Bench testing
Buying new:
My advice
Brush timing:
What is it?
When to advance
How to advance
Bearing replacement tips:
Tools
Procedure
How to remove a fan
Commutator care:
Turning
Undercutting
Problems
Brush seating
Patina care
Motor maintenance:
General care
Duty load
You need help bad issues
Breaking in a motor:
Preflight test
What next
Using more than one motor:
Pro's and con's
Motor damages: Racer vs. Daily driver:
How different uses affect the motor
Types of damages
Protecting your motor:
What not to do
Advanced Mod's for cavemen:
You want to what?
Motor terminology:
What did I just say?
Okay thats 13 subjects, crap I need 1 more, hehe.
Cya
Jim Husted
Hi-Torque Electric
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make sure to check all your battery terminal connection for being tight does
trojan suggest a torque wrenck ? if so what ft # ?
----- Original Message -----
From: Deanne Mott<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu<mailto:ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 12:30 PM
Subject: Newbie melts a battery terminal
Went to water my batteries this morning, and found a real mess:
http://www4.ncsu.edu/~dmott/MeltedBattery2.jpg<http://www4.ncsu.edu/~dmott/MeltedBattery2.jpg>
http://www4.ncsu.edu/~dmott/MeltedBattery1.jpg<http://www4.ncsu.edu/~dmott/MeltedBattery1.jpg>
Car details:
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/1020<http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/1020>
Batteries are Trojan T125's, I believe about 7-8 months old. I've been
driving it about 3 months. This battery actually reads 6.47V measured from
the terminals of its adjacent batteries, but I know that's at best an
intermittant situation. The car has been running fine, in fact I was just
feeling like I was getting the hang of things. And a *serious* bummer to be
off the road in prime convertible weather :-( Here's a start on the many
questions I have:
1. How do I safely clean up this mess of lead?
2. Is this battery toast, or can/should it be repaired?
3. How could this have happened?
4. How can I prevent it from happening again?
5. Could any of the other batteries be damaged by this incident?
6. Could this have started a fire inside the battery box?
thanks very much - De
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I belive that Kline tools ( they make electrical tools) has hydrolic crimpers
check online to see what they list !
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Ward<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu<mailto:ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 12:01 PM
Subject: Crimp hex jaw size needed 4/0 cable?
I am currently fabricating a hydraulic crimper for my battery cables and am
in need of the size in mm or inch for the hex jaws for 4/0 cable. (2/0
would also be good to know)
The plan is to machine a set of jaws that will hold regular sockets that are
cut in half and welded in. I already have most of it done but would like to
avoid wasting time trying different sizes.
Info appreciated!
Mark Ward
95 Saab 900SE "Saabrina"
www.saabrina.blogspot.com<http://www.saabrina.blogspot.com/>
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at one time Chrysler made a tevan it had a 65hp dc motor there are some listed
on the Austin ev website I think
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Plumer<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu<mailto:ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 10:44 AM
Subject: RE: Big Honking Motor
For an F-250, I would look at this motor. Considerably lighter.
>
>
> Sounds like a good candidate for a conversion of something like, oh...
> maybe an F-250 ?
>
>--
>Stay Charged!
>Hump
>I-5, Blossvale NY
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [mailto:[EMAIL
PROTECTED] On
> > Behalf Of John G. Lussmyer
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 12:53 PM
> > To: EV Discussion List
> > Subject: Big Honking Motor
> >
> > I was over at a friends house, where he has accumulated LOTS of junk
> > over the years.
> > He has an electric motor sitting there that is rated at 60HP
> > continuous, 500VDC. BIG thing.
> > So, anyone want to make an electric bus? He'll sell it really cheap...
> > :-)
> >
>
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Hey James, the last couple of years the East Coast has been rockin and has
been THE PLACE to be. With what Chip and others are cooking up for the Power
of DC and what Matt Graham is doing down in Florida with the BBB it looks to
be a fantastic race year. But please don't forget us old folks out here on
the left coast. We still have a few tricks up our sleeves :-) I would love
to meet you in person sometime. don't ever be afraid to post!
Roderick Wilde
"Suck Amps EV Racing"
www.suckamps.com
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From: "james s" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: We Blow Things Up, So You Don't Have To...2007
I for one love what you guys are doing and read the stories avidly and
forward these off to my family and friends, KEEP IT UP!!! I just
don't usually post as I have nothing to contribute and put my foot in
my mouth messing up the facts ;( I can't wait to eventually get out
to the West Coast for an EVent but have been very content to make the
East Coast EVents for now. It's been great to meet everyone who's
made it out to PofDC the last two years, Joliet last year and the past
BBB.
James Sullivan,
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
On 3/22/07, Roderick Wilde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Mike, Thanks for responding. I have noticed over a period of time
that
there does not seem to be a lot of responses to items of this nature. I
do
not really know if people on the List do not really care about pressing
the
envelope of EV performance or not.
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Hey Jim,
How about a category on forced air cooling of the
motor?
Also a section on proper placement of temperature
sensing devices to indicate when a motor is
overheating.
Keep up the good work, I'll be looking forward to your
contributions.
Rod
--- Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey all
>
> I sat down and listed a bunch of groups and
> sub-groups
> which I'll write on. Just thought I'd run this by
> you
> for input. I feel I'll be able to cover a lot of
> topics and questions meeting most peoples needs.
> Let
> me know if there's something that could be added. I
> got quite a mouthful to write as it is here so I'm
> hoping it'll be enough to get started and worthy of
> your attention.
> As follows:
>
> Motor selection:
> Shafts
> Brushes
> Size (does matter)
> Voltages
> Motor types
> Scrap yard finds (diamonds in the rough)
>
> Using a forklift Motor:
> pre-buy basics
> Disassembly
> Cleaning
> Reassembly
> Bench testing
>
> Buying new:
> My advice
>
> Brush timing:
> What is it?
> When to advance
> How to advance
>
> Bearing replacement tips:
> Tools
> Procedure
> How to remove a fan
>
> Commutator care:
> Turning
> Undercutting
> Problems
> Brush seating
> Patina care
>
> Motor maintenance:
> General care
> Duty load
> You need help bad issues
>
> Breaking in a motor:
> Preflight test
> What next
>
> Using more than one motor:
> Pro�s and con�s
>
> Motor damages: Racer vs. Daily driver:
> How different uses affect the motor
> Types of damages
>
> Protecting your motor:
> What not to do
>
> Advanced Mod�s for cavemen:
> You want to what?
>
> Motor terminology:
> What did I just say?
>
> Okay thats 13 subjects, crap I need 1 more, hehe.
>
> Cya
> Jim Husted
> Hi-Torque Electric
>
>
>
>
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--- john fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[NI LabView]
> These guys really do support their product. No wonder theres no
> competition.
There is, it's called Agilent (formerly HP) Vee. They have
been sniping at each others' accounts for years. Each has their
strengths and weaknesses, and both are spendy.
Mark "EV Basher" Brueggemann
Albuquerque, NM
S-10 EV
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Tony,
I've been working on a product using 36 and 30 LFP
26650 cells arranged in massive parallel clusters. 120
series clusters power the EV.
Each parallel cluster is andwiched between a .062
copper clad FR4 sheet, with the individual cells being
connected to the copper with nickel strip. The nickel
is resistance welded to the cell, and then soldered to
the copper sheet. The nickel interconnect strip
dimensions are specified to fail as a fuse if greater
than 50A is applied or drawn from an individual cell.
It is critical to integrate a form of individual cell
pretection, especially if using power cells. More than
2000A can be applied to one cell in the event of a
short without a protection mechanism, with the size of
the clusters I am working with.
Good luck.
Jeff
--- Tony Hwang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hmmmm, good ideas but how would regen work with a
> diode? Each string would need to provide maybe 9
> amps, and there would be 30 strings. I need a max
> discharge rate of about 280 amps.
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Cor van de Water <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 9:45:17 PM
> Subject: RE: ARGGG, destroying expensive lifepo4
> cells. :( Need a "button" fuse.
>
> Tony,
>
> What about making series strings and tying the
> strings together with a fuse
> in each (plus a diode?)
> If you use a second set of diodes for charging, then
> you have completely
> isolated any problems in a shorted cell while you
> can still charge and
> discharge through all strings.
> The voltage difference between the charge and
> discharge points will tell you
> if there is a string not playing nice, normally it
> should only be the
> voltage drop of two diodes.
> How much current does each string need to deliver?
>
> Tesla Motors' Roadster has about 60 parallel strings
> if I take the nr of
> cells (6000+) and divide that by the voltage that I
> expect they are running
> (300+) so they probably have some 100 cells in
> series, though their BMS may
> break it down in smaller sections.
> Each string in the Roadster is probably capable of
> delivering around 10A.
> (6000 x 3.4V x 10A = 200kW)
>
> Regards,
>
> Cor van de Water
> Systems Architect
> Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Private:
> http://www.cvandewater.com
> Skype: cor_van_de_water IM:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Tel: +1 408 542 5225 VoIP: +31 20 3987567 FWD#
> 25925
> Fax: +1 408 731 3675 eFAX: +31-87-784-1130
> Second Life:
>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Tony Hwang
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 3:09 AM
> To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
> Subject: ARGGG, destroying expensive lifepo4 cells.
> :( Need a "button" fuse.
>
> Hi all,
>
> Does anyone know if there exists a "button" fuse,
> where each contact of the
> fuse is opposite of each other? Sort of like a coin
> lithium cell? The reason
> why I'm searching for them is to protect cells in
> parallel from a failed
> cell.
>
> So, I'm trying to see if lithium iron phosphate
> 18650 cells can be used in
> parallel/series in a 4S5P pack.
>
> I bought 21 cells from www.batteryspace.com, and
> fiddled with them. I
> accidentally shorted two of them! They got hot and
> dumped full power for
> about 10 seconds or so. Drats, one was ruined (fails
> in a shorted state),
> the other, seemed ruined (very very low voltage,
> like .3 volts) but after a
> day, it charged up fine. Cool, I thought. So at
> least I still have 20 "good"
> cells. I mark the ruined but revived cell.
>
> I wired up a 4S5P pack using lifepo4 cells from
> www.batteryspace.com. I put
> it through a charge/discharge cycle on my charger,
> it works fine! Then I
> charge it again, and notice it comes up as 9V only.
> ACK! So it turns out
> that the "ruined but revived cell" failed short
> again, and it took out the
> other 4 cells in parallel with it! Now I'm left with
> 15 cells, and 6 ruined
> cells, at almost $7 apiece, this experiment is
> getting expensive. :(
>
> I'm thinking it might be wise to wire up a fuse with
> each cell, but the
> logistics of wiring that up seems daunting. Is there
> any fuse that is like a
> button cell, that I can just put on the "+" end of
> each 18650? I've googled
> and all I've found were SMT fuses, which are too
> small. I've thought of
> maybe using glass fuses, but the glass would
> probably crack inside the pack.
>
>
> - Tony
>
>
>
>
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John,
I always read your long posts about racing and really
enjoy the in depth descriptions.
I don't respond just because I don't want to clutter
up the list, but your postings are definitely
interesting and appreciated.
Keep up the good work, and it looks like you may have
some competition when Mike gets that Pinto running!
--- John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello to Joe and All,
>
> Joe Smalley wrote:
>
> >As an engineer, I love the slogan, "we blow things
> up, so you don't have
> >to." Keep up the good job you are doing by going
> fast and telling the stories.
> >Lots of people design stuff that should go fast.
> Your stories are the biggest
> >attraction that has kept me reading the EV list
> daily over the last eleven
> >years. Thanks, John. You make it worth staying
> subscribed.
> >
> >
> This was a great way to end my late night Friday,
> reading the above
> before hitting the sack!
>
> I must confess, lately I've asked myself why I
> bother to take as much
> time as I do to create the posts I come up with,
> only to sometimes not
> have a single response on the EVDL. It 'was' making
> me wonder, like Rod
> said, if there's any interest anymore.
>
> The above did wonders for me, thanks Joe! I guess
> I'll go ahead and
> finish my post that's almost all done and 'was'
> destined to the trash
> bin, about the recent Roadster Show, and get it to
> the EVDL, now that I
> know there's still a few out there that still care.
>
> See Ya......John Wayland
>
>
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Electric Vehicle of Association of Washington DC (EVA/DC) President
Dave Goldstein has been asked to speak about PHEVs on Monday at a
Capitol Hill lunch seminar sponsored by Set America Free. The
meeting will begin at 12 noon in the Rayburn House Office Building in
room 2255, and is open to the public.
This is a "first" for EVA/DC, as well as for a small group of like-
minded PHEV proponents with whom Dave has been working with to build
a case for for Plug-ins.
Chip Gribben
EVA/DC
http://www.evadc.org
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Absolutely!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: You Write so WE don't have to, WAS Blow Things Up, So You Don't
Have To...2007
WE CARE! Don't think for a nanosecond that we arent listening! No,
honestly, guyz, don't ya scroll down to John's post and read it FIRST!Get
your mourning EV hit's. Chuckle over to Jim Husted's, Mike Wilmon's and
(Gasp) EVen mine?
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these guys say they did it, but the site is not up to date. Their choice
of platform is excellent IMO, and their work is very good, judging by
the pix.
http://www.electric7.com/
My ex-sponsor is trying to use Prius packs, but he's a smoke&noise guy
like me, and so a bit lost.
JF
Barry C. wrote:
I have been searching through the archives and on the internet about
using Prius battery packs
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On Mar 23, 2007, at 9:30 AM, Deanne Mott wrote:
1. How do I safely clean up this mess of lead?
Remove the battery cable in question (at both ends) and remove the
other cable from the affected battery (both ends) and pull the battery
out. Cleanup shouldn't be hard, you should be able to pick the lead off
the case top.
2. Is this battery toast, or can/should it be repaired?
A good battery shop can recast the lug. So long as the battery reads a
proper voltage it is likely just fine (except for a toast post.) You
may have some post leakage issues at the battery post, but a light coat
of grease and a gooey NOCO ring around the bottom of the post should
control that enough that you won't have to redo the connection very
often.
3. How could this have happened?
4. How can I prevent it from happening again?
This is a classic sign of a poor connection. If you are running at 200
battery amps and a post connection develops even 0.01 ohm resistance
you will be dumping 400 watts of heat into the connection. Since lead
has a low melting temperature this is not going to be good.
Battery connections need to be checked for tightness and corrosion
regularly. If you find corrosion you need to remove the connection and
clean everything up before reinstalling. You don't need to tighten the
connections super tight, but loose is no good. Hopefully someone (or
the battery manufacturer or dealer) can tell you what the proper torque
is.
I would also consider replacing the affected battery cable. I notice
the lugs are unplated copper and it appears to be crimped by smashing
flat. Tin plated copper lugs have less corrosion issues and a proper
crimp is generally more predictable. A bad cable end or crimp can also
create the heat required to melt a battery post or loosen the post
connection leading to a melted post.
5. Could any of the other batteries be damaged by this incident?
Anything is possible, but I doubt it.
6. Could this have started a fire inside the battery box?
Yes, especially if it happens right after charging (you can get a
Hydrogen *bang*.) Its not easy to get a substantial fire by melting a
post, but you do want to limit flammable materials in the battery box.
Lead and battery acid don't burn and I suspect battery cases contain
fire retardant. The best way to create a fire in a battery box is to
short out one or more batteries! (ask Plasma Boy about that :-)
Paul "neon" G.
WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
George Orwell, "1984"
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On Mar 24, 2007, at 6:12 AM, Bob Rice wrote:
WE CARE! Don't think for a nanosecond that we arent listening! No,
honestly, guyz, don't ya scroll down to John's post and read it FIRST!
Yup, in fact John's posts are marked red by my e-mail filters before
being dropped in my EV inbox.
Paul G.
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Make sure when loading a trailer that a min of 10% of the weight is on the
hitch. Sounds like your EV was a little too aft of your trailer's axles.
Bob
David Sharpe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
This morning I had my EV (converted Diahatsu) on a tandem (2 axles) trailer
being towed by my Peugeot 406 Diesel. I was on my way to a country fair whose
them was Human powered vehicles. Anyway the trailer got into uncontrollable
oscillations at speeds past 40 mph and jacknifed. Luckily no one was hurt but
the Peugeot was not so lucky and had a bent rear right axle and damaged panels.
The EV stayed on the trailer and was not damaged. In fact I drove it home from
the accident to get another veh to tow the trailer home. The Peug went off on a
tilt bed for repairs. I estimate that the trailer & EV weighed 2 tonnes. The
towing vehicle about 1.5 tonnes. In retrospect I shouldnt have done this trip.
I think my weight balances were not right. Probably should have been towing
with a 2 ton or more vehicle. I bring this to your attention so others can
learn by my mistake. David
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