EV Digest 6607
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Sacramento EV activity
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: ZAP claims to ship fast charger
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: Hybrid Delivery Vans
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: Quick PFC20 question
by "Rich Rudman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Colorado EV'ers
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
6) Re: Stan Ovshinsky
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) My charger is here...
by Eduardo Kaftanski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) RE: Stan Ovshinsky
by "Roger Stockton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: EV digest 6604
by DM3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Power terminals
by "Peter Gabrielsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: EV digest 6604
by Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: EV digest 6604 - Jim H'LMHO's motor voltages
by Rod Hower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: EV digest 6604
by "damon henry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Power terminals
by Rod Hower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) RE: Power terminals
by "Roger Stockton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Siamese8 field windings
by Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Battery interconnect sizeing
by Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) RE: May C&D Article on White Zombie
by Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) ADC v.s. ImPulse9
by "Roger Daisley @ R J Ranch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: Power terminals
by "Peter Gabrielsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: Power terminals
by "Ryan Stotts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: Siamese8 field windings
by Rod Hower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Hi Jim,
Yes, as you have noticed the old Sacramento EAA web site has
had webmaster activity for a long time. The Chapter folded at
about the same time and has not reformed though there are EV
drivers in the Sacramento area.
Since the web is full of out-of-date EV link websites and
search-engine EV links, when looking for an EAA Chapter its
best to check the National EAA site's page for a chapter:
http://eaaev.org/eaachapters.html
The loss of that Sacramento EAA chapter was a shame as in the
90's they actively met at Sacramento's Utility's (SMUD)
headquarters and enjoyed a huge amount EV support from SMUD
( http://smud.org/about/evs/ ).
That was back at a time before the automakers 'said' to CARB
that they were 'committed' to producing EVs for public purchase
(later they did their infamous about-face) and those automakers
had not forced the two EV charging head standards (Ford/Honda's
conductive AVCON & GM's inductive) on everyone. So, regular
outlets were installed and used.
SMUD was one of the first to install a large amount of free
public EV charging in the Sacramento area (they were way ahead
of their time - For current Sacramento EV charging see
http://www.evchargernews.com/regions/ch-sac-all.htm ).
For me, many of the Sacramento public EV charging spots are
places I like to visit when in Sacramento out of respect for all
SMUD had done in the past for the EV cause (sort of like visiting
EV shrines).
One of those is near the SMUD headquarters
http://smud.org/about/map/
SMUD built a solar array above their parking area, connected
it to the grid, and then installed outlets for EV charging
along the wall with painted and signed EV charging spots
http://geocities.com/evcharging/images/casac-smud-solar-990427.jpg
(this location is currently non-public and all outlets are
either turned off or removed).
Down the street on Folsom was one of the Sacramento light rail
stations that had public EV charging
http://geocities.com/evcharging/images/casac-lightrail-960729.jpg
This image is from 1996 on my first SF area to Sacramento and
back (300mi+) trip leveraging off public EV charging.
I believe the above image is of the Butterfield Station which
had at least 20 parking spots designated for EVs (one stantion
had enough power for four EVs, one per two spots). They had a
standard 110VAC 5-20 outlet (no gfi in those days) and a 30amp
dryer outlet (with the L shaped ground - two hots & a ground/
neutral gave 110VAC and/or 220VAC on a 30 amp breaker)
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=folsom+at+butterfield,+sacramento,+ca&sll=38.581989,-121.314726&sspn=0.025127,0.039783&layer=&ie=UTF8&z=19&ll=38.56747,-121.345335&spn=0.001571,0.002486&t=h&om=1
After all the hoopla of the Automakers spending money on both the
R&D of production EVs and the bad media PR on EVs (radio, TV,
newspaper, magazine articles, etc.), SMUD had a change in
management and became very conservative (like other Utilities).
At first they turned off the power to all the outlets, then
removed them. The butterfiled station no longer has EV charging.
With AQMD funding SMUD installed a few AVCON/SPI chargers in
Sacramento locations. Currently, the only Sacramento light rail
stations off Folsom that has public EV charging is Hazel
http://www.evchargernews.com/regions/95742_1.htm
You may want to visit CARB http://arb.ca.gov to not only see
their EV charging spots,
http://www.its.caltech.edu/~rcy/ev/carbchrg.jpg
but also to stroll the CARB hallways where for the record the
automakers stood in front of CARB's cameras and lied through
their teeth about seriously producing EVs for public purchase
http://brucedp00.150m.com/carb0003/
Later from extensive Sacrmento EV driver use, SMUD built up
the public EV charging and the use of Solar arrays at the
Sacramento airport
http://www.wapa.gov/es/pubs/esb/1997/97Aug/at_SMUD.htm
'The new photovoltaic array at the Sacramento airport serves
three purposes: it produces electricity for the grid, provides
shade to keep cars cool, and serves as a charging station for
electric vehicles.'
One of the better public EV Charging implementations I have seen
is at a Raley's Supermarket on Folsom.
http://geocities.com/evcharging/images/casac-raleys-960729.jpg
http://www.evchargernews.com/regions/95670_1.htm
That store still has the original outlets SMUD installed for EV
use and they still work. Like most EV charging spots of the
time they were incorrectly located in prime parking locations
thus they are ICE'd most of the time.
In 2001, I used these spots to connect all of my chargers
(three 14-50's and two 5-20's ~ over 120 amps DC into my
pack) while I attended the after-race dinner with NEDRA
racers at a nearby restaurant
http://brucedp01b.150m.com/saced01/
To use Sacramento public EV charging spots requires a paid
sticker that is renewed annually:
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/forms/reg/reg4048.pdf
'Free EV parking
To apply for a permit for free EV parking in city lots,
contact the City of Sacramento's Parking Administration Office
at (916) 264-5110, or apply in person at 312 K Street.'
A web search shows some EV people and EV businesses near the
Sacramento area to help calm your EV withdrawals:
http://austinev.org/evalbum/1088
John Warobiew Vacaville, California ( http://whitepages.com
will give his contact info) This 1993 Toyota Paseo was a brand
new factory Paseo that was converted by Electricar/Solar
Electric. [EV] Previously owned by [Actor] Leslie Nielsen.
Perhaps a Xebra test drive?:
http://www.zapworld.com/zapworld.aspx?id=1654&terms=916&rawsearchtype=1&fragment=false&SearchType=AndWords
Davis Electric Cars, 1800 A Olive Dr., Davis, CA 95616
916-505-4155 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
These businesses may not be still valid:
http://www.electriccardealersusa.com/californiaelectricvehicles.htm
Electric Vehicle Inc 335 Mcclellan Afb Bldg #335 Mc Clellan Afb,
CA 95652 916-715-4787
Electric Vehicles 8500 Weyand Ave Sacramento, CA 95828-2611
916-381-3509
Electric Conversions 215 14th St Sacramento, CA 95814-0908
916-441-4161 http://zivanusa.com is 'not' an EV conversion
business, they sell Zivan chargers wholesale to dealers.
How about an Electric Taxi ride?:
http://electricabtaxi.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] 916-444-Green
ElectriCab's flagship vehicle, "E1," was placed into service
in September 2003. "E1" is a five-passenger, freeway-capable,
battery-electric conversion minivan that has been fully
outfitted, calibrated, licensed, permitted, and insured as a
taxicab in Sacramento, CA.
I hope you can use the above info to enjoy your stay in
Sacramento (aka: Sac, Sactown, Sack of Tomatoes, sacra-tomato,
or Sacto) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacramento,_California
Bruce {EVangel} Parmenter
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wsId=20070315005590&newsLang=en
March 15, 2007 11:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Fast Electric Car Charger from ZAP Cuts Recharge Time from Hours
to Minutes
SANTA ROSA, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Imagine charging your
electric car in the time it takes you to have lunch. That's what
electric car pioneer ZAP is saying about a new charging
technology for their XEBRA electric car or truck.
ZAP says the charger on the XEBRA can be configured for charging
with either a 110 or 220-volt outlet like the ones used with a
household washer and dryer. The new charger is able to provide up
to 100 amps or 10,000 watts of electricity into the vehicle and
ZAP Chairman Gary Starr says it will significantly extend daily
driving range.
"This new charger can reduce your charge time from hours to
minutes," said Starr. "Now you can drive your electric car all
day with just a few short stops. In the time it takes to eat
lunch you can hook your XEBRA up to the charger and have a full
charge in less than an hour. Think of it as putting your XEBRA
out to graze."
Normally the XEBRA recharges in under six hours, but Starr says
the new charger would be ideal for fleets, government agencies,
corporations, universities and multi-car families looking to
incorporate all-electric vehicles. It connects to a 240-volt, 60
amp circuit or 208-volt, 3-phase, 50 amp circuit. The fast
charger is similar to ones used at Southwest Airlines, America
West Airlines, the Toronto Pearson International Airport, and
Arizona Public Service for recharging their fleets.
The new charger can be ordered through ZAP for about $9,000 and
can even qualify for a Federal 30 percent tax credit. See IRS Tax
Form 8911 for the Alternative Fuel Vehicle Property Credit. Starr
added that people needing an even faster recharge could order a
charger capable of putting out 15 kW or 50 percent more power.
ZAP calls the XEBRA design a 'city-car,' available as a 4-door
sedan or 2-passenger truck, good for city-speed driving up to 40
MPH and priced about $10,000. ZAP recently introduced another way
of improving range and battery life with an optional rooftop
solar panel. For purchasing information, contact your local ZAP
dealer. For a list of dealers, visit http://www.zapworld.com.
About ZAP [...] Forward-looking statements in this release [...]
Contacts ZAP Eveline Souza, +1 707-525-8658 ext. 216 (Media)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] or Sherri Haskell, +1 707-525-8658 ext. 232
(Investors) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Press Release Source: FedEx
FedEx Announces Plans to Add up to 75 ''Clean Air'' Hybrid Trucks
to Fleet Friday April 22, 9:00 am ET
WASHINGTON--(BUSINESS WIRE)--April 22, 2005--FedEx Express, a
subsidiary of FedEx Corp., has announced plans
to add up to 75 hybrid, diesel electric trucks to its service
fleet in the next 12 months, contingent upon pricing and
availability. The announcement coincided with the unveiling of
two FedEx hybrid trucks in the nation's capital on Thursday,
which brought the company-wide total of hybrid trucks in use to
18.
"Placing hybrid trucks in Washington D.C., and the planned
increase for next year reflects the growing viability of hybrid
trucks," said John Formisano, vice president of Global Vehicles,
FedEx Express. "It also shows the commitment of FedEx to pursue
the use of promising technologies that both reduce fuel costs and
provide more environmentally responsive vehicles for the
communities in which we live and work."
The Washington D.C. rollout is a joint initiative with
Environmental Defense and Eaton Corporation (NYSE: ETN - News).
The FedEx Express E700 hybrid electric vehicle decreases
particulate emissions by 96 percent and travels 57 percent
farther on a gallon of fuel than a conventional FedEx truck,
reducing fuel costs by more than one third.
The project began four years ago when Environmental Defense, an
organization recognized for its work with industry leaders to
create environmental and business innovations, and FedEx Express
began working together to create the next generation delivery
vehicle.
"The commitment by FedEx to purchase hybrids demonstrates the
business viability of these trucks on the road," said Gwen Ruta,
director of Corporate Partnerships, Environmental Defense. "As
fuel prices continue to rise, fuel efficient trucks are an
investment that every company should be making. And since hybrids
also reduce air pollution, oil dependency and climate change,
they're not only good for business but good for America."
Cleveland, Ohio-based Eaton Corporation, one of the world's most
recognized industrial manufacturers, produced the hybrid electric
powertrain for the vehicle.
"Eaton continues to be pleased with the performance - and the
potential - of our advanced technology hybrid powertrain system,"
said Jim Sweetnam, senior vice president and group executive of
Eaton's Truck Group. "The system is working extremely well in
FedEx Express trucks in Sacramento, New York City and Tampa with
high reliability, and we look forward to continued success with
the Washington, D.C. roll-out. In order to encourage wider
adoption of hybrid technology, we need the support of Congress
for the passage of incentive tax credits for purchasing this
clean, fuel-efficient technology. Doing so would provide benefits
for our communities, our environment and our nation."
FedEx currently has 18 hybrid trucks in service in Sacramento,
New York, Tampa and now Washington, D.C. The vehicles are
performing exceptionally well. They have experienced up-time
ranging from 96 to 99 percent, which is impressive for any new
vehicle considering that the average up-time for rest of the
fleet is 99.6 percent.
The trucks are meeting environmental goals based on recent lab
testing at the Southwest Research Institute, which found a
particulate matter reduction of 96 percent, a NOx reduction of 65
percent and increased fuel efficiency of 57 percent, compared to
the 1999 baseline vehicle. New trucks are expected to be placed
in Texas and New York City.
The project partners, Environmental Defense, FedEx and Eaton,
have worked closely with a number of suppliers to find
innovative, effective solutions to allow greater adoption of
hybrid electric vehicles by more fleets around the country.
Freightliner Custom Chassis was instrumental in supplying the
chassis and assembling the 18 vehicles that have been placed into
operation over the past year, starting in Sacramento.
Utilimaster, Hitachi and Detroit Diesel each provided key
components and worked with project partners to customize their
components for the hybrid trucks.
Power of Innovation Produces New Vehicle
FedEx Express and Environmental Defense began working together in
2000 to create a delivery truck that would dramatically decrease
emissions and fuel use. Through a competitive process, Eaton
Corporation was selected from more than 20 manufacturers who
expressed interest in creating a cleaner vehicle using a variety
of technologies. Since the beginning of the project, progress
toward goals has been assessed against the 1999 FedEx Express
W700 standard delivery vehicle, which represented the most common
model in the FedEx Express fleet.
Eaton's Innovative Technology Produces Hybrid Electric
Powertrain
Eaton's hybrid-electric powertrain effectively combines a diesel
engine and electric motor to drive the vehicle. A computer
determines the most efficient combination, depending on current
operating conditions and driver demand. A four-cylinder engine
replaces the six-cylinder version currently used in the FedEx
Express W700 delivery vehicle. The engine size is reduced because
of the added power provided by the electric motor. A particulate
trap has been added to the truck to further reduce emissions.
Batteries capture and store energy during the "regenerative
braking" phase of the vehicle's operation, providing a source of
stored electric power for the motor during future acceleration.
Therefore, all electrical charging of the battery is provided by
the hybrid electric powertrain, and no external electrical
infrastructure, such as a power cord or electrical outlet, is
needed. This balance between conventional and electric technology
is an innovative method to improve environmental performance and
decrease fuel use while eliminating the need for high
electrical-demand infrastructure costs. The hybrid electric
truck's operating characteristics will remain virtually unchanged
from that of a conventionally powered FedEx Express vehicle.
Eaton's hybrid electric powertrain has been placed in the
standard white FedEx Express W700 delivery truck, which utilizes
a Freightliner chassis and a Utilimaster body. The hybrid
electric E700, which bears an OptiFleet brand decal on the sides
and rear of the vehicle, has a gross vehicle weight of
approximately 16,000 lbs. and a cargo capacity of approximately
670 cubic feet.
About FedEx
FedEx Corp. provides customers and businesses worldwide with a
broad portfolio of transportation, e-commerce and business
services. With annual revenues of $29 billion, the company offers
integrated business applications through operating companies
competing collectively and managed collaboratively, under the
respected FedEx brand. Consistently ranked among the world's most
admired and trusted employers, FedEx inspires its more than
250,000 employees and contractors to remain "absolutely,
positively" focused on safety, the highest ethical and
professional standards and the needs of their customers and
communities. For more information, visit fedex.com.
About Environmental Defense
Environmental Defense, a leading national nonprofit organization,
represents more than 400,000 members. Since 1967, Environmental
Defense has linked science, economics, law and innovative
private-sector partnerships to create breakthrough solutions to
the most serious environmental problems. The work of
Environmental Defense in this project was supported by a lead
grant over three years from the Richard and Rhoda Goldman Fund.
Additional support was received from the Hewlett Foundation, Oak
Foundation, The Pew Charitable Trusts, and the David H. Smith
Foundation. For more information, visit
www.environmentaldefense.org.
About Eaton Corporation
Eaton Corporation is a diversified industrial manufacturer with
2004 sales of $9.8 billion. Eaton is a global leader in
electrical systems and components for power quality, distribution
and control; fluid power systems and services for industrial ,
mobile and aircraft equipment; intelligent truck drivetrain
systems for safety and fuel economy; and automotive engine air
management systems, powertrain solutions and specialty controls
for performance, fuel economy and safety. Eaton has 56,000
employees and sells products to customers in more than 125
countries. For more information, visit www.eaton.com. Contact:
FedEx Media Relations Anthony Hicks, 901-508-4377 or Eaton
Corporation - Truck Components Don Alles, 269-342-3311 or
Environmental Defense Media Relations Jessica Mendelowitz,
212-616-1219 Source: FedEx
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First
Paul is not that foolish.
Paul is very situational aware of charging.
He knows what to do and what not to do. Been there done that.
Oh and the Sky can fall also...
My experience is the kid my not even feel a thing....
There has to be a fault
He has to be standing in water
And he has to touch a part of the car that is attached to the Fault.
I have had the drive train go hot and the sheet metal stay cold.
BUT... you should ground your Chassis.. just in case.
I personally don't.
Bet the PHEV kits are ground to Hell and back.
And we take great pains to make sure that the hybrid pack is never grid
charged.
Rich Rudman
Manzanita Micro
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From: "Evan Tuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: Quick PFC20 question
> On 3/28/07, Rich Rudman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Evan... I don't use a GFI or chassis ground on my personal EV ..
> >
> > I use nothing... Just the charger, NO Neg side contactor..
> >
> > And Ya Know.. I am still alive after 15 years of EV racing and
designing..
>
> My first EV had similar features and I'm here to tell the tale as
> well. I did get a few bites mind you.
>
> On the one I have now the chassis is grounded. It's protected by a
> class A RCD. It has an isolated charger. There is a DC leak current
> detector.
>
> > That is said, to point out how logically safe a non Isolated EV is even
> > without out any safety gear.
>
> Logical? It's a bit like saying, I balance a TV and a popcorn maker
> on the edge while I'm having a bath, and I advise you to do the same
> (look, it's perfectly safe, I didn't die).
>
> > Evan ..if you need the chassis grounded.. then please do so. The charger
> > chassis is always grounded...
>
> Nothing you have said has addressed the point that it seems to be
> reckless to advise Paul to leave his buggy chassis un-grounded, while
> he's using a non-isolated charger. Do you seriously expect his
> conditions and awareness to be identical to your own in your own
> garage?
>
> What happens if he takes your advice, his car develops a bad leak to
> the chassis and then some kid wanders up and touches the door handle
> while it's charging?
>
> I'm surprised, that's all.
> Evan
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Evan Tuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 1:00 AM
> > Subject: Re: Quick PFC20 question
> >
> >
> > > Rich, no offence intended but that doesn't sound like very sensible
> > > advice. Cars (even fibreglass ones) aren't designed to be double
> > > insulated. DIY battery boxes and wiring aren't usually either. If
> > > you've got mains electricity in any appliance with "floating
> > > metalwork" then it should be grounded - don't just rely on a GFCI
> > > breaker, especially if it's user supplied.
> > >
> > > Sorry to go on about it but this sounds like an accident waiting to
> > happen.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 3/26/07, Rich Rudman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > no need to wire in ground.
> > > >
> > > > Rich Rudman
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Paul G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: <[email protected]>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 4:34 PM
> > > > Subject: Quick PFC20 question
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I just got my shiny new Manzanita Micro PFC20 charger a
yesterday!!
> > > > >
> > > > > I want to get this thing maintaining my Buggy batteries but I have
a
> > > > > question. On the output side there is an Anderson connector and a
> > > > > unused green ground wire. Since my charger case won't be tied to
the
> > > > > chassis of the buggy (seeing as how its fiberglass) should I
connect
> > > > > the green wire of the output to frame ground?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanx,
> > > > > Paul "neon" G.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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Is there any kind of monthly get together or meetings about EV's?
I would like to find some local people with EV's who wouldn't mind showing
them off. (and giving tips to a newbie wanting to build their own. ;)
I'm in the littleton area, but regularly visit colorado springs.
Thanks!
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Roger I can't find any reference to Stanford's passing. His wife did pass
away. Lawrence Rhodes....
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From: "Paul Peavyhouse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: Stan Ovshinsky
> FYI, Ovonic patent dates are disclosed here:
>
http://www.ovonic.com/PDFs/ovonic-materials/ovonic-fetcenko_2007-wolsky-seminar.pdf
>
> Pv
>
> On 1/15/07, GWMobile <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Well then we should be able to find the first patents and figure the
> > expiry date under his name.
> >
> > On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 3:48 pm, Roger Stockton wrote:
> > > GWMobile wrote:
> > >
> > >> Got the quote below off another list. Someone with access to
> > >> a pc please check this guys name in free patentsonline.com
> > >> and lets see if we can get the date of the earliest nimh patent.
> > >> He apparently is in california. Anyone from the list know him?
> > >> Wonder what he thinks of chevron not letting anyone build car
> > >> size nimh batteries.
> > >>
> > >> Stan Ovshinsky, father of the NiMH battery: (circa 2005, Quoted in
the
> > >> > >Orange County Weekly)
> > >
> > > Stan Ovshinshky (sp?), is deceased. He and his wife were the
> > > founders/owners of Ovonics, which was sold to GM/Chevron and is now
> > > known as Cobasys.
> > >
> > > Ovonics was enforcing/defending its large-format NiMH patents even
> > > before the sale.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Roger.
> >
> > www.GlobalBoiling.com for daily images about hurricanes, globalwarming
> > and the melting poles.
> >
> > www.ElectricQuakes.com daily solar and earthquake images.
> >
> >
>
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Remember me asking about slow charging?
Well, response was not that bad from you guys, so I bought a 48 volt 10amp
charger from taiwan (bought new off ebay and shipped direct from taiwan
to Chile. the world IS flat) and it arrived today. Shipper is 'Kipoint
enterprises' and so far the service has been great.
Charger came setup for 48volt flodded lead acid and 220volts 50hz input
and they even sent me the Shuko plug I requested.
After pricing a Zivan NG3 (the cheapest inteligent charger I can get
down here) at US$1100, the US$190 I paid for this one (including 6 days air
shipping) was a steal.
I havent tried it yet, but its looks good.
Some pictures: http://www.nn.cl/Autos/EV/Charger/
I can scan the manual if you want it.
ps: the cat's name is 'Prudencia' :)
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Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
> Roger I can't find any reference to Stanford's passing. His
> wife did pass away.
That's because it was his wife who I was thinking of when I posted that.
This was sorted out and a correction posted 2 months ago... ;^>
Cheers,
Roger.
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> > Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 20:32:26 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Squirreling through the boneyard
> To: [email protected]
>
> Hey Damon, all
>
> --- damon henry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I haven't spoke much about it yet, but I have a new
> > EV project in hand.
> > With my son turning 16 in two weeks, we decided to
> > take on a little ...
>
> I thought this was cool, what a great project to start
> a teen driving in.
What are the voltages of the motors salvaged from the fork trucks that you
use for a daily driver?
thanks
mario
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I need some help finding a suitable threaded bulkhead mounted power
terminal that can handle 100 amp continous, 300A for 10s. It should
also be sealed.
Essentially what I'm looking for is something like a motor terminal,
so if anyone know of a manufacturer who makes a suitable line of
terminals I'd be most grateful.
Thanks
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Hey Mario
Usually 36 or 36/48. Advancing the brush timing to
take a higher voltage than used as a lift motor. I'm
sure we'll be posting lots of pics on this as we move
along.
Hope this helps.
Jim Husted
Hi-Torque Electric
--- DM3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> > > Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 20:32:26 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: Squirreling through the boneyard
> > To: [email protected]
> >
> > Hey Damon, all
> >
> > --- damon henry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > I haven't spoke much about it yet, but I have a
> new
> > > EV project in hand.
> > > With my son turning 16 in two weeks, we decided
> to
> > > take on a little ...
> >
> > I thought this was cool, what a great project to
> start
> > a teen driving in.
>
> What are the voltages of the motors salvaged from
> the fork trucks that you
> use for a daily driver?
> thanks
> mario
>
>
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--- DM3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> What are the voltages of the motors salvaged from
> the fork trucks that you
> use for a daily driver?
> thanks
> mario
This has probably been posted before, but I was
wondering what modifications Jim has done to the field
winding of the White Zombies twin 8's? I'm assuming
you rewound those with a different number of turns to
get up to the voltages seen on the Zombie. If not,
what stock motor did you start with and how many turns
did it have on the stator?
Thanks Jim,
P.S. I've had to do quite a bit of motor engineering
myself lately since the engineer assigned to the job
was put on a new project, that is replacing a team of
engineers that did not stay with the company after
they where acquired. Not really outsourcing, just
buying a company and reducing costs by replacing many
workers with a few! That's how we increase
'shareholder value'. I didn't see the increase in
profitability in my paycheck (even though I had to
increase work effort), but those hardworking
shareholders seen their increase!
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The ones we picked up yesterday are wound for 48 volts. I think Jim tries
to stick to the 36/48 volt motors and avoids 24 volt motors.
damon
From: DM3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: EV digest 6604
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 17:25:19 -0700 (PDT)
> > Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 20:32:26 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Squirreling through the boneyard
> To: [email protected]
>
> Hey Damon, all
>
> --- damon henry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I haven't spoke much about it yet, but I have a new
> > EV project in hand.
> > With my son turning 16 in two weeks, we decided to
> > take on a little ...
>
> I thought this was cool, what a great project to start
> a teen driving in.
What are the voltages of the motors salvaged from the fork trucks that you
use for a daily driver?
thanks
mario
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I can't find any links related to the supplier that I
purchase terminals used on my BLDC controls, but I can
supply CAD drawings of the part. These are solid
copper that are 5/16" diameter and are about 1.25"
long (similar to a stud on motor terminals). These
can easily handle 100A continuous with 300A
excursions. Let me know if you want more information
and I'll send the drawings.
Rod
--- Peter Gabrielsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> I need some help finding a suitable threaded
> bulkhead mounted power
> terminal that can handle 100 amp continous, 300A for
> 10s. It should
> also be sealed.
>
> Essentially what I'm looking for is something like a
> motor terminal,
> so if anyone know of a manufacturer who makes a
> suitable line of
> terminals I'd be most grateful.
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> www.electric-lemon.com
>
>
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Peter Gabrielsson wrote:
> I need some help finding a suitable threaded bulkhead mounted power
> terminal that can handle 100 amp continous, 300A for 10s. It should
> also be sealed.
Something like this?
<http://www.evparts.com/shopping/index.php?id=201>
I'm puzzled by the mention of a bulkhead terminal like a motor stud and
then mention of it needing to be sealed... Are you looking for something
that passes through the bulkhead and is sealed against it? (One of these
distribution posts with the stud replaced with one that protrudes
through on both sides might then do the trick; just gasket its mounting
flange to seal to the bulkhead).
Cheers,
Roger.
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Hey Rod
--- Rod Hower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This has probably been posted before, but I was
> wondering what modifications Jim has done to the
> field
> winding of the White Zombies twin 8's? I'm assuming
> you rewound those with a different number of turns
> to
> get up to the voltages seen on the Zombie.
I didn't change a dang thing, stock 8" fields. I
think they are a 12 turn can't remember for sure.
There are pics of the coils at Johns site. Having
just looked I'm discusted with myself that I didn't
EVen wrap the coils 8^(
I focused on brush lead build up and endplate
insulation, that kind of thing. Actually doing Johns
motor was all about shortening the motor (I believe
7") and then giving him a shaft that would satisfy
that nice big 9" rearend he has 8^o
I just went back and looked at some of the pics at
Johns site. What a piece of crap, it's kind of like
looking at pictures of yourself in striped 1970's
pants, kind of a what the hell was I thinking lookback
@c@
>From my point of view it looks like I was probably
thinking he'd waste this thing his first run so why
bother to put forth the extra effort 8^o
Anyway no magic just two 8's on a big Spartan stick
8^) well maybe a couple of tricks ><. To be honest
besides being Siamese it's my first EV motor, and
probably the least modded motor being run by racers
I've done stuff for. Poor little redheaded step
motor, I feel really bad now 8^( LMAO!
Hopefuly this answers your questions 8^)
Cya
Jim Husted
Hi-Torque Electric
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Does anyone know where I can find a chart on sizing copper interconnects?
The problem I find is bussbar ampacity tables assume continuous 60hz duty.
I want to find information more like the way we derate fuses and breakers
say 1/8 x 1" copper bar that is 360A continuous on 60hz to 50degreeC rise.
what is the 10 second, 30 second, 60 second rating?
For a battery that can put out 500A continous and 1000A for 30sec or
2000A for 10sec, What c.s area do i really need?
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--- Tim Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'll have to respectfully somewhat disagree with
> LMAO Jim.
>
> I'm hoping we all look back at '07 as "the
> beginning"!!
Hey there Timmy ol boy 8^)
Seen you coming out of lurkland to chuck a couple
rocks my way ;^P It almost appears you've been
looking for a litle attention? Just wanted you to
know I got my eye on you mister go ahead and break the
damn motors man! 8^o
I'm not sure about you but I started my EV walk 2
years ago. Others out there have been screaming in
the darkness for decades. I'd love to hear some
stories of back when it started from the guys who were
doing it. Heck for that matter I just got in a 1910
Westinghouse motor from Myles that's a blast from the
past of wayback when it first started 8^)
I know what you mean as far as a shift in the paradigm
but I for one have no illusions of being there when it
started. I do howEVer enjoy carrying the torch for a
short while though 8^)
Had fun
Cya
Jim Husted
Hi-Torque Electric
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Any comments on the Advanced D.C. 8" motor (#203-06-4001) vs.. the ImPulse 9
motor?
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Yes, a terminal that passes through a bulkhead and seals up the hole
and is electrically isolated from the bulkhead. The sealing part is
not a requirement since we can probably add gaskets or sealant.
I need something that can be ordered so a big thanks to Rod Hower but
unless the drawings contain a part number and vendor I'm afraid they
won't help me.
-Peter
On 3/28/07, Roger Stockton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Peter Gabrielsson wrote:
> I need some help finding a suitable threaded bulkhead mounted power
> terminal that can handle 100 amp continous, 300A for 10s. It should
> also be sealed.
Something like this?
<http://www.evparts.com/shopping/index.php?id=201>
I'm puzzled by the mention of a bulkhead terminal like a motor stud and
then mention of it needing to be sealed... Are you looking for something
that passes through the bulkhead and is sealed against it? (One of these
distribution posts with the stud replaced with one that protrudes
through on both sides might then do the trick; just gasket its mounting
flange to seal to the bulkhead).
Cheers,
Roger.
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Just to be clear and so we are on the same page as to exactly what you
are looking for.
Are you looking for something just like this? (though which can handle
more current obviously):
http://www.msdignition.com/coil_acc_3.htm
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>I
>think they are a 12 turn can't remember for sure.
Holly crap Batman, 12 Turn on a Zilla current limiting
a 300+++V pack!
That really impresses a control designer when looking
at the abuse the poor Zilla puts up with. We're
talking about switching batteries into a dead short
more or less with only 12 turns when launching from
the lightpole! This is really amazing when you
realize how many amps the Zilla tames and comes back
for more.
My hats off to Otmar for surviving this motor.
I'm also really impressed that Jim's first motor has
taken the abuse of 'we blow things up so you don't
have to! Although many on the list aren't looking to
blow things up, lessons learned will definitely be
applied to future motors used for regular street EV's.
Even if it's not a racer, some of the lessons will
prolong life of a regular motor with enhancements!
Keep up the good work Jim and Otmar!
Rod
--- Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey Rod
>
> --- Rod Hower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > This has probably been posted before, but I was
> > wondering what modifications Jim has done to the
> > field
> > winding of the White Zombies twin 8's? I'm
> assuming
> > you rewound those with a different number of turns
> > to
> > get up to the voltages seen on the Zombie.
>
>
> I didn't change a dang thing, stock 8" fields. I
> think they are a 12 turn can't remember for sure.
> There are pics of the coils at Johns site. Having
> just looked I'm discusted with myself that I didn't
> EVen wrap the coils 8^(
>
> I focused on brush lead build up and endplate
> insulation, that kind of thing. Actually doing
> Johns
> motor was all about shortening the motor (I believe
> 7") and then giving him a shaft that would satisfy
> that nice big 9" rearend he has 8^o
>
> I just went back and looked at some of the pics at
> Johns site. What a piece of crap, it's kind of like
> looking at pictures of yourself in striped 1970's
> pants, kind of a what the hell was I thinking
> lookback
> @c@
>
> >From my point of view it looks like I was probably
> thinking he'd waste this thing his first run so why
> bother to put forth the extra effort 8^o
>
> Anyway no magic just two 8's on a big Spartan stick
> 8^) well maybe a couple of tricks ><. To be honest
> besides being Siamese it's my first EV motor, and
> probably the least modded motor being run by racers
> I've done stuff for. Poor little redheaded step
> motor, I feel really bad now 8^( LMAO!
>
> Hopefuly this answers your questions 8^)
>
> Cya
> Jim Husted
> Hi-Torque Electric
>
>
>
>
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