EV Digest 6619
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) We Need Your Help With an Electric Vehicle Event
by Joseph Lado <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: Motor recommendations
by "Ryan Stotts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Battery or motor current best to monitor
by "Mark Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) RE: Battery or motor current best to monitor
by Cor van de Water <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) RE: Motor recommendations
by Mike Willmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) RE: Battery or motor current best to monitor
by Cor van de Water <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: city car brushes
by "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: Battery or motor current best to monitor
by "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) newb PNW
by "Stand Culp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: May C&D Article on White Zombie
by "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: Reverse rotation
by Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: Bob Schneveis' Walking Electric Chariot
by "peekay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) YouTube Video of Killacycle Record Run
by Steven Ciciora <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) BugE
by "Michael Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: Motor temp
by Doug Weathers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) RE: YouTube Video of Killacycle Record Run
by Mike Willmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: YouTube Video of Killacycle Record Run
by "Roy LeMeur" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: YouTube Video of Killacycle Record Run
by "Curtis Keller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: YouTube Video of Killacycle Record Run
by "Philippe Borges" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: Converting a REAL Mini.
by Tom Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) RE: YouTube Video of Killacycle Record Run
by Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: Motor temp
by Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: newb PNW
by "Joseph H. Strubhar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: YouTube Video of Killacycle Record Run
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) The 7th Annual Earth Fair at Shawnee Mission East H.S. Prairie
Village, KS
by Mike Chancey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) Re: YouTube Video of Killacycle Record Run
by Dave Cover <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
27) Re: YouTube Video of Killacycle Record Run
by John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
28) Re: YouTube Video of Killacycle Record Run
by "Evan Tuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
29) Killacycle Record Run
by "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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The Electric Vehicle Association of Washington, DC and the
National Electric Drag Racing Association are putting on an exhibition of
electric vehicles and their capabilities called the Power of DC. The event has
been held for the last six years at the Mason-Dixon
Drag Way in Hagerstown,
Maryland. This year, the seventh year of
the event, we are adding an autocross event the day before the drag race. This
will be an EV autocross event, (dubbed EVautoX). The EVautoX will take place at
Hagerstown Community
College June 2nd, admission is free. The
electric vehicle drag race event will take place at the Mason
Dixon Drag Way on June 3rd, spectator
admission is $5.
Because of the added event of the EVautoX, the Power of DC
organization is in need of sponsors. There is growing interest in plug-in
vehicles and this is the closest sanctioned event of its kind to Washington,
DC. Sponsors of significance will have
their logo placed on the events official T-shirt.
The Power of DC is mainly an exhibition demonstrating the
speed and power that can be achieved using electricity as a fuel. What better
way to show the acceleration capabilities of electric vehicles than through a
drag race. The drag race has helped to dispel the sometimes common perception
that
electric vehicles are slow off the line. This year the Power of DC will be
showing electric vehicles maneuverability, range and look through the EVautoX,
which tests electric vehicles in slalom like timed courses, range courses and
in a beauty contest called the Show-n-Shine.
At the demonstrations we will have a super efficient, super
aerodynamic, and super light weight EV called the AZTEC. This vehicle was the
winner of the commuter category in the 1994 American Tour de Sol. The University
of West Virginia will be bringing
its electrically powered Formula race car, (called a Formula Lightning when
electric). The Formula Lightning vehicle can reach speeds up to 145 miles an
hour on a race track without any pollutants coming from the vehicle. There will
be other vehicles there to see and to touch, such as a solar panel clad Destiny
2000, a convertible Cabriolet, a few home converted Ford Escorts, a Toyota
built RAV4 EV, and a Solectria Force. All vehicles that are worth coming to the
show to see touch and ask the owners questions about. There will also be
vehicles built by high school students, such as the Miramar 944 Porsche, and
Shawn Lawless’s famous Orange Juice dragster, as I said plenty of vehicles to
see and touch. But there is more to the electric vehicle movement than just
electric vehicles.
The electric vehicles movement is part of the larger
alternative fuels movement. There will be demonstrations of solar panels, solar
ovens, evacuated tube water heating and more. We still have room for
exhibitors, so the door is open for organizations and companies to display
their alternative fuel and energy products at the events.
Even though the Power of DC is a well attended event, this
year our hope is to make it even bigger. We are asking that all schools, high
schools, colleges, universities, and all organizations that are working on
alternative fuels and electric drive trains, if they have products or vehicles
to showcase to bring them to the event. We would really like to see a solar
powered vehicle, one that was built to compete in competitions like the World
Solar Challenge to be displayed at the event. We believe that advanced battery
manufacturers and researchers would find a welcome home at these events.
Organizations that are developing and selling electric motors for the hybrid and
plug-in markets would be in line with the theme of the event. Automobile
manufacturers exhibiting their hybrid technology would be a perfect fit. What
ever you have that you feel the public should know about in terms of automotive
advanced technology, alternative fuels and alternative energy contact us. I am
sure we can make room for you in the event.
So, we need your assistance. First thing we would like you
to do is spread the word about the Power of DC. Come and be there your self,
bring family members, tell friends to make a weekend of it and come and have a
good time. The second thing we need help on is finding sponsors. If you know of
an organization or company that would be interested in beefing up its green
credentials, here is their opportunity. The Power of DC is that event that has
vast popular appeal, from the environmentalist to the automotive gear head,
from the peace nick to the security hawk, the Power of DC brings all these
groups together on common ground. Sponsoring our event upsets no one. Thirdly,
bring your stuff. If you have an electric vehicle or an alternative fueled
vehicle of any kind, bring it to the event. If you work in batteries, electric
motors, controllers, capacitors or power electronics, bring it to the event and
show it off. We welcome you. If you are in the solar panel, solar hot water
heating business, if you sell high efficiency appliances, super insulation,
bring it to the show. EV people tend to purchase those things also to the tune
of 40%. For example, 40% of electric vehicle owners in California
also have solar panels on their homes. It is precisely the market you are
looking for. Car dealers, if you have hybrids of any kind, whether they be
small cars to large trucks, this is the place to be. Show electric vehicles
owners need to tow their vehicles long distances for shows. A hybrid truck is
just the thing to bring to such an event. If you bring it, we will make room
for it. In the end what we need is to bring your selves and your friends and
family, bring sponsors, and bring your stuff. With that the Power of DC will
become the catalyst to making the world better for our children and our
children’s children, but we will be having so much fun doing it, too.
For more information on this exciting EVent visit our
website at
http://www.powerofdc.com
To Register, fill out our convenient Registration Form at
http://www.powerofdc.com/lets_race.html
A downloadable file of the EVent flyer is available at
http://www.powerofdc.com/powerofdc_flyer.pdf
For sponsorship opportunity contact Chip Gribben the organizer of the Power of
DC
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
240-687-1678
For EVautoX information contact Mike Harvey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
And if you don’t know who to contact, contact me and we will figure it out.
Joe Lado
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jeff wrote:
Which would you people prefer
30 sec 500A and maybe 10sec 1000A capability at 30lb module
or
30sec 1000A capacity and 2000A 10sec capability at a 35lb module.
What's the difference that's not being mentioned and how/why the
choice? What's different besides the amps?
in a 15 module system we are talking 450lbs vs 525bs, but on a 24Module
System we are talking 720Lbs vs 840Lbs.
What is causing the difference in weight?
I have never been able to pull more than 500 battery Amps so I don't if
this is an issue to folks.
How many battery amps is White Zombie currently pulling?
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I am going to order up my meter shunts and am trying to get an opinion on
whether it is best to look at motor current or battery current?
I have a 1000 amp meter and am getting ready to order a shunt for it and
another one for the 12volt side.
Any thoughts on this?
Mark Ward
95 Saab 900SE "Saabrina"
www.saabrina.blogspot.com
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Mark,
What do you want to know?
It is about the same question as whether
you want to monitor speed or RPM.
With motor amps, you know the torque that is made,
measuring battery amps gives you the power with
which your EV is propelled, and the strain on the
batteries, just as motor amps gives you the strain
on the motor (if that is your concern).
(It may be better to measure brush or winding temp
to keep an eye on your motor health though)
Hope this helps,
Cor van de Water
Systems Architect
Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark Ward
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 8:26 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Battery or motor current best to monitor
I am going to order up my meter shunts and am trying to get an opinion on
whether it is best to look at motor current or battery current?
I have a 1000 amp meter and am getting ready to order a shunt for it and
another one for the 12volt side.
Any thoughts on this?
Mark Ward
95 Saab 900SE "Saabrina"
www.saabrina.blogspot.com
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If you can fit the WarP9 in a Miata and run 160V or hiher you will not be
disappointed, for sure. The single WarP9 in my
Mitsibishi pickup at 192V weighs in at 4060 lbs. With the AGM's at 1000A from
battery it was fast. With 120V floodies at 350A
from battery it is slightly less than acceptable. Although I've been driving
120V floodies every day for almost 5 months now, and
the acceptability is growing on me. I would still recmmend anyone running a 9"
with a heavy car to definitely run 156V or higher.
Mike,
Anchorage, Ak.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Ian Hooper
> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 1:04 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Motor recommendations
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I've been planning to use a Warp9 in my MX5/Miata conversion, but now
> that the time to actually buy the motor approaches I thought I should
> run this selection by the experts..
>
> OK, so I'll be running a 160V nominal LFP lithium battery pack rated
> at up to 900 amps short term, and am building a controller rated to
> around 1000 (battery) amps continuous. Given the opportunity, would a
> single Warp9 ever draw this much current? If not, anyone recommend
> alternatives?
>
> Thanks for any advice :)
>
> -Ian
>
>
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BTW,
Will you install an E-meter?
That requires a battery shunt.
Cor van de Water
Systems Architect
Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com
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Skype: cor_van_de_water IM: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Fax: +1 408 731 3675 eFAX: +31-87-784-1130
Second Life: www.secondlife.com/?u=3b42cb3f4ae249319edb487991c30acb
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark Ward
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 8:26 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Battery or motor current best to monitor
I am going to order up my meter shunts and am trying to get an opinion on
whether it is best to look at motor current or battery current?
I have a 1000 amp meter and am getting ready to order a shunt for it and
another one for the 12volt side.
Any thoughts on this?
Mark Ward
95 Saab 900SE "Saabrina"
www.saabrina.blogspot.com
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On 31 Mar 2007 at 20:09, jerryd wrote:
> But recently I've seen a later Sebring
> version that had a good front end with disc brakes even!!!
If I'm not mistaken, it was the >early< Citicars which had disk brakes. I'm
not aware of any late ones so fitted from the factory, though they might be
aftermarket brakes.
The original disk brakes were aircraft brakes. They didn't work well in
road use, hanging up and dragging quite frequently, causing poor range and
overheated motors. Later cars had drum brakes all round, and drums were
fittted to many of the early cars as a factory upgrade in response to the
above complaints. I had an '80 Comuta-Car which was all drums.
Most of the C-cars with the GE 6hp motor and Dana axle had feeble brushes.
The owner's manual suggested that the driver stomp the pedal when climbing
hills. Bad idea! With no controller, and a 300 amp fuse, the brush
pigtails were the current limiters. You'd burn one open on the first hill,
drive for a few days, then open a second one on the next hill. Then you'd
have to push it home or else change brushes on the spot, unless you could
find a towtruck driver who wasn't afraid to touch the car.
A tiny handful of late C-cars were built with motors incorporating the
commutator and brushes from the 12hp C-van motor, and a 54 volt system.
This was an effort to tap a DOE program for which a top speed of 50mph was
required.
I never got the exact number, but I don't think more than 8 or 10, and
probably fewer, were made this way. Jim Tervort told me that one of them
burned up waiting in the drive-through lane at a McDonald's restaurant (it
was caused by faulty cabling in the frame tunnel to the front battery tray).
I have no idea what happened to the rest.
David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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Hello Mark,
The motor current is the must important gage in a EV. In my EV I have a
large 3 inch motor amp meter right in front next to the motor rpm gage and
the battery amp meter.
My motor ampere using a Zilla controller will read about 200 amps while the
battery amperes may read 50 amps. Look at the motor specs for maximum
continuous motor ampere and try to stay at or below that.
At acceleration at little more than normal, I try to keep the motor ampere
below 500 amps for less than 5 seconds. The battery amperes may read about
250 amps at that time. I also watch the battery amperes, so it will not
get above 250 amps for too long, or you shrink the battery post and may melt
a post.
My battery ampere normally reads from 30 to 80 amperes.
So, both are important. I started out with a motor amp and battery volt
meter. Through the last 30 years, I have added over 25 instruments to
monitor every circuit in this EV. There is over 55 control switches to
reprogram the circuits, by pass faults and select different mode of
operation on the go.
In 30 years, I had only three faults in my EV. A control fuse blow which
lit up my indicator fuse circuit and was be able to fix it on the go in
about 15 seconds.
The second was a field winding parted that the motor ampere went to O
amperes, but my battery voltage was still up, so that told me it was a motor
problem.
The third was a battery post melted, which show O battery amp and O battery
voltage, so that told me it was in the battery circuit and was able to fix
that with a jumper.
Roland
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From: "Mark Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 9:26 PM
Subject: Battery or motor current best to monitor
> I am going to order up my meter shunts and am trying to get an opinion on
> whether it is best to look at motor current or battery current?
>
> I have a 1000 amp meter and am getting ready to order a shunt for it and
> another one for the 12volt side.
>
> Any thoughts on this?
>
> Mark Ward
> 95 Saab 900SE "Saabrina"
> www.saabrina.blogspot.com
>
>
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Hi,
I've been doing some research on ICE-2-EV conversion. If there was something
that I could purchase already put together for a decent price I would. But
seeing as anything freeway capable is in the $30k neighborhood, I think I'm
gonna get dirty instead.
I'm in the Portland Oregon area. I'd like to get in contact with some people
in this area with some experience in this.
I'm thinking along the lines of a light truck S-10 would work nicely.
I have some past machining and welding skills, but lonnnnng ago, and
presently limited to hand tools and a small single car garage.
I'm also interested in getting local and state govt on board for providing
incentives to people adopting BEVs.
California and Texas are the only states I've found so far that are
aggressive in promoting Electric Vehicles widely.
Thanks for any direction you can provide
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HI- They hit Burien today, sat. FT.
> [Original Message]
> From: Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Date: 3/31/2007 8:41:33 AM
> Subject: Re: May C&D Article on White Zombie
>
>
> --- John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > The C & D May editions finally arrived in Portland
> > yesterday, Friday.
> > Finally, something new to read on the throne!
> >
> > See Ya...John Wayland
>
> Bathroom "my ass" I'm framing mine! 8^)
>
> Cya
> Jim Husted
> Hi-Torque Electric
>
>
>
>
>
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Is this one of the consumer grade saws or the type of worm drive that
contractors use?
reversing it is probably the easy part.
The consumer grade is NOT rated for constant duty at any power level.
When I did construction I found that none of the (blade on right side)
consumer saws lasted even 1 8 hour day. If you make your own "case"
with lots more air flow and re-install the armature on real bearings and
press something of substance onto the shaft, you stand a chance of it
lasting longer.
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walking motion is more efficient than wheels .. says this
professor .. his electric rickshaw uses a 5 lb motor and
pulls 2 people easily
does he have a website/email ?
..peekay
(strange coincidence .. his rickshaw looks almost exactly
like the rickshaws here in calcutta, india where i am presently located !)
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From: "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 1:25 AM
Subject: Bob Schneveis' Walking Electric Chariot
> I know this has been mentioned on this list before and I have mentioned
Bob
> from time to time with quotes of his. This is a great video from You Tube
> that I think is a must see. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45ZquJIolvY
>
> Roderick Wilde
>
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDHJNG2PngQ
I don't have the time slips in front of me, but from
memory the previous run was 8.22 seconds at 155 MPH.
We only put back approx. 2.5 amp hours into the pack,
or about 750 watt-hours. That's less than 15% of the
pack capacity.
- Steven Ciciora
(I bet Bill Dube' regrets telling Dennis Berube that
if we go faster than 8.32 then Bill will kiss Dennis'
bare naked butt...)
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For those interested, this came in my email...
The BugE Manuals are printed and can be ordered online (Owners &
Assembly):
http://www.blueskydsn.com/BugE_Kit_Universe.html
The BugE is on display for a couple of days at:
Revolution Cycles
1061 W. 2nd St.
Eugene, OR 97402
541 302 8049
First available kits is still scheduled for Mid April.
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On Mar 30, 2007, at 4:07 PM, Ryan Stotts wrote:
Doug wrote:
But seriously, a display labeled "AMP TEMP" is a deal-killer for me.
Life's too short to put up with bad user interfaces.
I think it was referring to car audio amplifiers?
I thought "AMP" stood for "Auto Meter Products", the company that makes
the meter. However, the web site lists it next to an "AMP CURRENT"
display (another confusing label) that is definitely for an audio
amplifier. I think you're right.
It doesn't make the problem go away, though. I'm going to have at
least one other gauge labeled "AMP" or "AMPS" on the dashboard. It
will be measuring current in amperes. Not temperature.
One of the goals of my EV will be to show Joe Sixpack that he can drive
an EV. Confusing instrumentation will hurt this goal.
But that's just my opinion. I'm somewhat fanatical about user
interfaces. Probably a side effect of steady Macintosh use since 1984.
(Please don't start an OT discussion about Macs!)
--
Doug Weathers
Las Cruces, NM, USA
<http://www.gdunge.com/>
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Dang thats hot!! And only 1200A. Plenty more to go.
Jim, what are they doin' to your poor motors, OMG!!! ;-)
Check this, If you were already driving 109 mph crossing the starting line when
Killacycle started from a standstill, it would
beat you to the finish line 1/4 mile away!! ohm
Mike,
Anchorage, Ak.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Steven Ciciora
> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 9:28 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: YouTube Video of Killacycle Record Run
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDHJNG2PngQ
>
> I don't have the time slips in front of me, but from
> memory the previous run was 8.22 seconds at 155 MPH.
> We only put back approx. 2.5 amp hours into the pack,
> or about 750 watt-hours. That's less than 15% of the
> pack capacity.
>
> - Steven Ciciora
>
> (I bet Bill Dube' regrets telling Dennis Berube that
> if we go faster than 8.32 then Bill will kiss Dennis'
> bare naked butt...)
>
>
>
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDHJNG2PngQ
Absolutely Awesome!
The launch reminds me of a top fueler or funny car.
Beam It Up Scotty!
Do you think that "they" might sit up and take notice when an EV drops into
the sevens?
I was there when Terry Vance (I think it was, it's been a while) put a top
fuel bike into the sixes for the first time at Ontario Motor Speedway.
I get the same feeling seeing this.
Future headline:
"Electric Drag Racers Beat Fuel Burners at their Own Game"
Congratulations to the Killacycle Team!
Roy LeMeur
NEDRA Northwest Regional Director
www.nedra.com
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Thanks for the video. Both the burnout and the launch are impressive
displays of e-power. Sending the link to all my gearhead friends.
curtis
On 4/1/07, Roy LeMeur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDHJNG2PngQ
Absolutely Awesome!
The launch reminds me of a top fueler or funny car.
Beam It Up Scotty!
Do you think that "they" might sit up and take notice when an EV drops
into
the sevens?
I was there when Terry Vance (I think it was, it's been a while) put a top
fuel bike into the sixes for the first time at Ontario Motor Speedway.
I get the same feeling seeing this.
Future headline:
"Electric Drag Racers Beat Fuel Burners at their Own Game"
Congratulations to the Killacycle Team!
Roy LeMeur
NEDRA Northwest Regional Director
www.nedra.com
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I posted such great news in our European Forum, congratulations on this new
world record !
waiting update for another one... please show them on the pit race what a
Zilla can outpout :^)
Cordialement,
Philippe
Et si le pot d'échappement sortait du volant, quel carburant choisiriez-vous
?
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr
Forum de discussion sur les véhicules électriques
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr/Forum/index.php
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From: "Roy LeMeur" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: YouTube Video of Killacycle Record Run
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDHJNG2PngQ
Absolutely Awesome!
The launch reminds me of a top fueler or funny car.
Beam It Up Scotty!
Do you think that "they" might sit up and take notice when an EV drops
into the sevens?
I was there when Terry Vance (I think it was, it's been a while) put a top
fuel bike into the sixes for the first time at Ontario Motor Speedway.
I get the same feeling seeing this.
Future headline:
"Electric Drag Racers Beat Fuel Burners at their Own Game"
Congratulations to the Killacycle Team!
Roy LeMeur
NEDRA Northwest Regional Director
www.nedra.com
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On Fri, 2007-03-30 at 14:08 +0100, paul compton (RRes-Roth) wrote:
> My first bit of advice for anyone contemplating converting a Mini is
> DON'T!
Too Late! I've already bought the donor. They say you should convert the
car you like, and I agree.
> If you really want to then you've made quite a lot of work for yourself.
> There's almost no room for batteries and the transmission is a nightmare
> as you've already realised. I did it for Richard Bebbington's Mini
> Pickup, which at least has room for batteries. Take a look at;
> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/electric.mini/motor/motor_and_box.html for
> some idea of how I did it. I suspect you'd have a hard time finding an
> auto box.
I'm familiar with the manual gearbox and planned to copy your design. I
don't see any problems with replacing the manual box's gearset with a
one piece mainshaft running on the existing main and first motion shaft
bearings.
Why did you choose the auto box?
What kind of belt did you use? Is it noisy?
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Hey all
First off I'd like to say thanks to Steve for keeping
me abreast of things as they unfolded yesterday 8^)
--- Mike Willmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dang thats hot!! And only 1200A. Plenty more to go.
I'll need to confirm but I'm thinking they cranked it
up on that run. Time ran short so they decided to
push it with the last run they'd be getting in for the
day. What the heck right they still had a spare motor
in their pocket LMAO!
> Jim, what are they doin' to your poor motors, OMG!!!
> ;-)
Well Mike, looks like they're setting records my man,
looks like they're setting records 8^D
In fact not just setting but totally detroying the old
one 8^o
Going off the NEDRA site, listing it as 9.035 on the
MT/A3 Division. That's almost 1 full second faster!
And more than a 1/2 sec faster than the 8.76 run that
fireballed on the first "You Tube" video from last
November 8^)
> Check this, If you were already driving 109 mph
> crossing the starting line when Killacycle started
> from a standstill, it would
> beat you to the finish line 1/4 mile away!!
That really does put it into perspective! That's just
about where WZ been hitting the end of the track.
We need a 1/2 mile track to test that out 8^o
Anyway from the >little< puff of smoke they let out
compared to that "super nova" of a plasma ball on the
last video I'm pretty happy. Not freaking overjoyed
mind you but pretty happy 8^) I guess the difference
here being they got a new record! I won't really know
anything till a full report about the motor.
Steve said they were gonna replace the plate / motor
and are gonna be out there today and going after the
7's Wouldn't that be a hoot if they broke into the
7's on April Fools day?
> > (I bet Bill Dube' regrets telling Dennis Berube
> that
> > if we go faster than 8.32 then Bill will kiss
> Dennis'
> > bare naked butt...)
Well you know I'd have thought that would have been
the other way around but hey what EVer floats your
bubble 8^) Probably one of those "had to be there"
moments. I'd imagine Bill was a pretty happy guy
yesterday! Hey this isn't gonna be a new tradition
anytime someone takes a mans record now is it? Cause
I'm thinking Shawn and Mike might have to be kissin a
lot of ass here soon 8^o LMAO! Ohh look at Wayland
puckering his cheeks up hehe LMAO! 8^)
Either way sounds like there might just be another
video to load up onto the net 8^)
Anyway congrats to bill and all the crew who worked so
hard to achieve this awesome run. Thanks for letting
me a part of the fun and the history!
Best of luck today guys, round 2, ding, ding 8^)
Cya
Jim Husted
Hi-Torque Electric
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--- James Massey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks Andrew, now you'll get me a swelled head like
> Jim and John...
Hey what are you saying here James??
Just cause I was up till 3 in the morning last night
screaming at the top of my lungs that I am the best
motor builder in the world from my roof doesn't prove
a thing 8^) I believe that's "official" now 8^D God
I hope so or my neighbors are gonna be pissed 8^o
Anyway I also wanted to say how much I enjoy your
posts. I've got a whole stack I have saved 8^)
> The reality is with a lot of this stuff I'm just a
> 'hack', having a go.
What do you think the rest of are? It's all in the
perspective I guess.
As far as I'm concerned if you stop learning you might
as well get out of the business 8^)
Anyway welcome to the "J" club 8^o you little thunder
from down under 8^)
Jim Husted
Hi-Torque Electric
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Hi, I am currently converting a Datsun KingCab for someone - it might be
worth your while to come visit. I'm in the Hubbard area, about 30 miles
south of Portland.
Joseph H. Strubhar
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Web: www.gremcoinc.com
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From: "Stand Culp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 9:45 PM
Subject: newb PNW
> Hi,
> I've been doing some research on ICE-2-EV conversion. If there was
something
> that I could purchase already put together for a decent price I would. But
> seeing as anything freeway capable is in the $30k neighborhood, I think
I'm
> gonna get dirty instead.
> I'm in the Portland Oregon area. I'd like to get in contact with some
people
> in this area with some experience in this.
> I'm thinking along the lines of a light truck S-10 would work nicely.
> I have some past machining and welding skills, but lonnnnng ago, and
> presently limited to hand tools and a small single car garage.
> I'm also interested in getting local and state govt on board for providing
> incentives to people adopting BEVs.
> California and Texas are the only states I've found so far that are
> aggressive in promoting Electric Vehicles widely.
>
> Thanks for any direction you can provide
>
>
>
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Hi Bill, Steve an' EVerybody;
WOW! What an incredable, beautiful thing to check out in the AM!This should
be on CBS sNews, to brighten up the day's news!Congrats, to all involved!!
And as J.W. sez" Gunna be a hellova year for EV's. This was after reading
the Tesla reports of progress THIS week, too.
I'll guess I'll hafta live with my crappy conversions, for NOW?But in
OUR life time, maybe the happy hum of traction motors in our streets isn't
too far away??Killacycle shoulda been on the White House lawn with the
Phoenix SUT and the plug in Prius the Prez looked at!A shot down
Pennslowmania Ave, EVen!AFTER ya clear off the traffic!
Seeya on the "Tube"
Bob
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From: "Steven Ciciora" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 2:27 AM
Subject: YouTube Video of Killacycle Record Run
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDHJNG2PngQ
>
> I don't have the time slips in front of me, but from
> memory the previous run was 8.22 seconds at 155 MPH.
> We only put back approx. 2.5 amp hours into the pack,
> or about 750 watt-hours. That's less than 15% of the
> pack capacity.
>
> - Steven Ciciora
>
> (I bet Bill Dube' regrets telling Dennis Berube that
> if we go faster than 8.32 then Bill will kiss Dennis'
> bare naked butt...)
>
>
>
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Hi folks,
I thought I should pass this along as the
Mid-America Electric Auto Association will be
displaying several EVs at this event as well as having our April meeting there.
Thanks,
Mike Chancey,
Kansas City, Missouri
Mid-America EAA chapter at: http://maeaa.org
The April MAEAA meeting will be held at Shawnee Mission East during the
Earth Fair Event.
Shawnee Mission East High School
7500 Mission Road Prairie Village, KS 66208
April 7th
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from 10am to 3pm
Admission is free
Those who carpool, walk or bike to the Fair will be eligible for
prizes.
There will be a large display of hybrid, electric, and natural gas-
powered cars and more than 50 exhibits on how to move toward a
sustainable future through energy efficiency and conservation;
building design; personal choices and investments; waste
minimization and recycling; pollution prevention; protecting air
quality, water resources, wildlife and wildlands; and landscaping
and agriculture.
There will be craft activities for kids, live animals to touch, eco-
products and garden plants for sale, and a huge used book sale.
Three elementary schools and "Green Elvis" will be performing.
There will be presentations on global climate change, home
insulation, and tax incentives for investments in energy efficiency.
Delicious organic lunches may be purchased.
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--- Steven Ciciora <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't have the time slips in front of me, but from
> memory the previous run was 8.22 seconds at 155 MPH.
> We only put back approx. 2.5 amp hours into the pack,
> or about 750 watt-hours. That's less than 15% of the
> pack capacity.
Congratulations to the crew! I'll be passing this video around to all the
gassers I know. Looking
forward to getting my EV on the track. (Don't worry, no competition from me.)
> (I bet Bill Dube' regrets telling Dennis Berube that
> if we go faster than 8.32 then Bill will kiss Dennis'
> bare naked butt...)
Do us a favor, don't put this one YouTube!
Dave Cover
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Hello to All,
Once again, congrats to the Killacycle team!
I love the way the girl with the camera is caught off guard (not hearing
a noisy gas machine in the burnout pit) as she suddenly snaps around to
catch the action...great stuff! Of course, it would have been much more
enjoyable to see this run next to a loud, boisterous, snort'n gasser,
for all those non-EVers that need to be convinced. The best videos of
our stuff are always the side by side grudge matches with the gasser
boys. It really puts the power that electric drag machines have today in
perspective.
At Plasma Boy Racing we've got the '11s in '07' thing going...perhaps
the Killacycle team should adopt '7s in '07'?
See Ya....John Wayland
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On 4/1/07, Steven Ciciora <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDHJNG2PngQ
Excellent result, well done all!
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Bill Dube' and Crew,
You have proven again your excellence, dedication,
innovation, and implementation of technology, as well
as shown the personal ingenuity that it takes to be
the best.
Besides exploring and promoting the racing world, you
gratiously share and train all that will listen and
benefit from your efforts, regardless of their
electric abilities, microscopic questions, and EV
involvement.
You help (at your own expense) to take the EV world
forward faster, smarter, with greater safety.
Our highest respects and regards to you.
Ed, Lou, Robert, Gary, Randy, John, Marcio, Rose, Kim,
Jay, and staff
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> The KILLACYCLE VIDEO of 3-31-2007
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDHJNG2PngQ
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