...except if you are a manufacturer in another country, then you have to
meet relevant safety, emc etc standards which cost so much that a smaller
manufacturer cannot do it. Spent the last 35 years making products meet UL,
EN, Nz/AUS etc standards. UL in particular often do not make any sense and
even UL themselves don't stick to them. Buck/boost is inherently
non-isolated, but it can save a lot of money. I costs a lot more to make it
isolated, but I would not use a charger that was not isolated except for
experimental purposes in my workshop. If you use such a charger your battery
controller and motor circuitry MUST be galvanically isolated to UL69 and
UL840 standards. You can't just rely on ordinary insolation techniques
without referring to the standards. Creapage and clearances on PCB's need to
be much bigger than is commonly done too.
I suppose actually, because of the high voltages involved this will
be a requirement anyway soon, it's just a matter of time until someone gets
killed as it is. Unfortunatly this will probably mean the end of home built
conversions. Though, USA still allows people to carry guns so maybe you guys
can beat the "politically correctness" there!
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of Lee Hart
Sent: Saturday, 15 June 2013 5:00 p.m.
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] 100ah pack on the cheap
rustybkts wrote:
> I have seen it mentioned before that the Manzanita chargers are not
> isolated from the mains.
>
> As this is inherently very dangerous, I am surprised they are even
> allowed to be sold and have never heard of any non isolated power
> supply being available in Europe.
>
> Can anyone expand on how this can be allowed?
1. Regulatory standards are *voluntary* in most parts of the USA. Safety
agency listings like UL, ETL, etc. are not required by law, except in
a few places where local ordinances have been passed to require it.
(Two places I know of are Chicago IL and Los Angeles CA).
Thus, you can sell just about anything. The limiting factor is that
the seller can be SUED if the product causes damage or injury. Most
companies decide to get a safety agency listing (like UL or ETL) so
they can testify in court that their product has been tested and
met safety standards.
2. Non-isolated products are very common. Many consumer products leave
out isolation as a cost-cutting measure. Toasters, stoves, dryers,
air conditioners, and pretty much all high-power products are not
isolated.
However, there are safety standards that apply to such products.
The standards say that the case must be grounded, there must be
no possible way for a consumer to touch any of the potentially
"hot" wires coming from it, and it must have extra-strong insulation
between anything the consumer can touch and the AC line. Again,
complying with the standards is voluntary, though most manufacturers
follow them to avoid being bankrupt by lawsuits.
> A simple component failure will expose the output terminals to the >
mains supply.
Actually, the output terminals are *always* connected to the mains supply.
In effect, the charger is a bridge rectifier from the AC line to the output
terminals, plus a non-isolated buck/boost voltage converter.
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