On 9 Mar 2014 at 1:18, Michael Ross wrote:

> I think there is a recipe for very long life of LFP cells.  ... Build
> the cells right  ... Balance them ...  Never overcharge them ...
> Operate them from SOC of 20%  to 80% ...  limit the current when the
> temperatures drop in the cell ...  Never charge them too fast so they
> get hot ... Operate them within a well built system ... If you do
> these things there is no mechanism for them to fail.  

These rules are pretty much the same ones you'd use to extend the cycle life 
of ANY battery.  Buy a high quality, well balanced battery; limit extremes 
of charge and discharge; charge it moderately; watch out for temperature 
extremes; maintain it properly.  You'll get better life than if you ignore 
some or all of these things.

These rules can and should be programmed into a good BMS.  If they are, 
unlike when the user is the sole BMS, there's no way that he or she can 
circumvent or forget or neglect them (except possibly in an emergency). The 
user doesn't have to worry about them; the BMS takes care of it.  

In fact, a really good BMS will perform some of the maintenance (the way the 
Prius BMS balances periodically, for example).  It will monitor the 
battery's condition continuously, not just when it has time, and notify the 
user if a problem is developing.

All that said, the "there is no mechanism for them to fail" part I'm not 
buying.  Every battery depreciates as it's used.  Some are more durable, 
some less so, but every battery has the potential to fail, either gradually 
or catastropically.

It seems to me that at some level this is a little like a manual vs 
automatic transmission discussion in the ICE world.  Today, a sufficiently 
advanced automatic transmission can be just as efficient as a manual, and 
sometimes more so.  

Despite this, some folks just would rather shift for themselves.  They just 
like it that way.

But if you buy a manual trans ICEV, you'd better know not to overrev or lug 
the engine, or slip the clutch too much, or hold on hills using the clutch, 
and so on.  If you don't, or are apt to forget, you're probably better off 
with a slushbox.  (I've known such folks.)

Similarly, some people would rather be their own BMSes.  Others are better 
off buying them.  

David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
EVDL Administrator

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