Your RIGHT Martin, I used to drive semi's or Lories, and we paid $1,000 per week in diesel(paraffin) expense with electric we could have saved $750 and for that savings we could have spent three hours per day recharging and still have made a profit. My old friends who use compressed Natural Gas in their diesel engines have a difficult time finding fuel, and that infrastructure is established. Local route fleets are no problem they have a refueling station at their terminal, Over-the-Road is more difficult...
*Dennis Lee Miles * *Director **E.V.T.I. Inc.* *E-Mail:* *[email protected]* <[email protected]> *Phone #* *(863) 944-9913* Dade City, Florida 33523 USA On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 4:51 AM, Martin WINLOW via EV <[email protected]> wrote: > "But in the long run, when all the oil is gone, we will still need the > density of chemical fuel for the long-haul interstate travel. And > Hydrogen is one technology worth looking at." I disagree. The only reason > we could not power all our transportation needs from electricity is when > you are operating somewhere that has none and it is not practical to > provide it - ie in the middle of no-where and on a short timescale (ie no > time to install PV or whatever). For that, bio-fuels would work perfectly > well and you could use ordinary ICE vehicles with it so no need to spend > (yet more) countless billions developing FCVs and their equally insanely > expensive infrastructure. > > I'm sure you are saying "What about those long distance trucks?". Well, > aside from the obvious fact that most of this sort of transport should be > on trains (preferably electric ones) there is no technical reason why > trucks couldn't be EVs too and definitely not so if major highways were > equipped with inductive power transfer technology. This is simple to > install and compared to what they are talking about spending on an H2 > refuelling infrastructure, cheap as chips (fries)! > > MW > > > On 26 Jun 2014, at 15:32, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: > > > Folks, > > > > EV's and Hydorgen fuel cell cars are NOT in competition. (except in > > Toyota's fantasy dreams).. There is no need to get worked up. > > > > EV's are far, far better for local travel and daily commuting (80% of our > > miles). But in the long run, when all the oil is gone, we will still > need > > the density of chemical fuel for the long-haul interstate travel. And > > Hydrogen is one technology worth looking at. > > > > As everyone points out, Hydrogen makes no sense compared to an EV in > *all* > > aspects for what EV's do best. But we need to continue to explore it for > > when HYDROGEN might become a byproduct of daily peak grid excess > renewable > > energy capture (no matter how inefficient). > > > > EVs and FCV's are completely different applications. And only the media > > and others who think anything with 4 wheels and a GO pedal should do > > everything-for-everyone sees them as both very limited and the same... > > > > Bob > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: EV [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Martin WINLOW > via > > EV > > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 5:25 AM > > To: Mark Abramowitz; Electric Vehicle Discussion List > > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hydrogen/EV thoughts > > > > Mark, > > > > Please stop wittering on and actually address some of the points the anti > > H2 FCV commentators have made here. > > > > Principally, please explain how you believe H2 FCVs will work in terms of > > efficiency Vs (real ie plug-in) EVs? > > > > MW > > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140627/a52e3175/attachment.htm> _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
