Yep, biofuels are a better short term solution. The technology to use
and distribute them exists. The production is improving and, I believe,
will be done much more efficiently than current (and using food crops is
a disaster).
Hydrogen can have its niches but I just don't see it being practical to
carry around small bombs everywhere nor does it make sense to try to
"overrule" physics.
In the mean time, on with the development of better batteries or
capacitors! Or ideas not yet thought of.
Peri
------ Original Message ------
From: "Martin WINLOW via EV" <[email protected]>
To: "Robert Bruninga" <[email protected]>; "Electric Vehicle Discussion
List" <[email protected]>
Sent: 27-Jun-14 1:51:59 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hydrogen/EV thoughts (relax)
"But in the long run, when all the oil is gone, we will still need the
density of chemical fuel for the long-haul interstate travel. And
Hydrogen is one technology worth looking at." I disagree. The only
reason we could not power all our transportation needs from electricity
is when you are operating somewhere that has none and it is not
practical to provide it - ie in the middle of no-where and on a short
timescale (ie no time to install PV or whatever). For that, bio-fuels
would work perfectly well and you could use ordinary ICE vehicles with
it so no need to spend (yet more) countless billions developing FCVs
and their equally insanely expensive infrastructure.
I'm sure you are saying "What about those long distance trucks?". Well,
aside from the obvious fact that most of this sort of transport should
be on trains (preferably electric ones) there is no technical reason
why trucks couldn't be EVs too and definitely not so if major highways
were equipped with inductive power transfer technology. This is simple
to install and compared to what they are talking about spending on an
H2 refuelling infrastructure, cheap as chips (fries)!
MW
On 26 Jun 2014, at 15:32, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
Folks,
EV's and Hydorgen fuel cell cars are NOT in competition. (except in
Toyota's fantasy dreams).. There is no need to get worked up.
EV's are far, far better for local travel and daily commuting (80% of
our
miles). But in the long run, when all the oil is gone, we will still
need
the density of chemical fuel for the long-haul interstate travel. And
Hydrogen is one technology worth looking at.
As everyone points out, Hydrogen makes no sense compared to an EV in
*all*
aspects for what EV's do best. But we need to continue to explore it
for
when HYDROGEN might become a byproduct of daily peak grid excess
renewable
energy capture (no matter how inefficient).
EVs and FCV's are completely different applications. And only the
media
and others who think anything with 4 wheels and a GO pedal should do
everything-for-everyone sees them as both very limited and the
same...
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: EV [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Martin
WINLOW via
EV
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 5:25 AM
To: Mark Abramowitz; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hydrogen/EV thoughts
Mark,
Please stop wittering on and actually address some of the points the
anti
H2 FCV commentators have made here.
Principally, please explain how you believe H2 FCVs will work in
terms of
efficiency Vs (real ie plug-in) EVs?
MW
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