Heavy highway trucks last over a million miles and the recent advances made in producing diesel fuel from algae, NOT Foodstock like corn, are very encouraging for the over-the-road trucks and freight trains...
*Dennis Lee Miles * On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 10:38 AM, Peri Hartman via EV <[email protected]> wrote: > Yep, biofuels are a better short term solution. The technology to use and > distribute them exists. The production is improving and, I believe, will > be done much more efficiently than current (and using food crops is a > disaster). > > Hydrogen can have its niches but I just don't see it being practical to > carry around small bombs everywhere nor does it make sense to try to > "overrule" physics. > > In the mean time, on with the development of better batteries or > capacitors! Or ideas not yet thought of. > > Peri > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Martin WINLOW via EV" <[email protected]> > To: "Robert Bruninga" <[email protected]>; "Electric Vehicle Discussion > List" <[email protected]> > Sent: 27-Jun-14 1:51:59 AM > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hydrogen/EV thoughts (relax) > > "But in the long run, when all the oil is gone, we will still need the >> density of chemical fuel for the long-haul interstate travel. And >> Hydrogen is one technology worth looking at." I disagree. The only reason >> we could not power all our transportation needs from electricity is when >> you are operating somewhere that has none and it is not practical to >> provide it - ie in the middle of no-where and on a short timescale (ie no >> time to install PV or whatever). For that, bio-fuels would work perfectly >> well and you could use ordinary ICE vehicles with it so no need to spend >> (yet more) countless billions developing FCVs and their equally insanely >> expensive infrastructure. >> >> I'm sure you are saying "What about those long distance trucks?". Well, >> aside from the obvious fact that most of this sort of transport should be >> on trains (preferably electric ones) there is no technical reason why >> trucks couldn't be EVs too and definitely not so if major highways were >> equipped with inductive power transfer technology. This is simple to >> install and compared to what they are talking about spending on an H2 >> refuelling infrastructure, cheap as chips (fries)! >> >> MW >> >> >> On 26 Jun 2014, at 15:32, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: >> >> Folks, >>> >>> EV's and Hydorgen fuel cell cars are NOT in competition. (except in >>> Toyota's fantasy dreams).. There is no need to get worked up. >>> >>> EV's are far, far better for local travel and daily commuting (80% of >>> our >>> miles). But in the long run, when all the oil is gone, we will still >>> need >>> the density of chemical fuel for the long-haul interstate travel. And >>> Hydrogen is one technology worth looking at. >>> >>> As everyone points out, Hydrogen makes no sense compared to an EV in >>> *all* >>> aspects for what EV's do best. But we need to continue to explore it for >>> when HYDROGEN might become a byproduct of daily peak grid excess >>> renewable >>> energy capture (no matter how inefficient). >>> >>> EVs and FCV's are completely different applications. And only the media >>> and others who think anything with 4 wheels and a GO pedal should do >>> everything-for-everyone sees them as both very limited and the same... >>> >>> Bob >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: EV [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Martin WINLOW >>> via >>> EV >>> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 5:25 AM >>> To: Mark Abramowitz; Electric Vehicle Discussion List >>> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hydrogen/EV thoughts >>> >>> Mark, >>> >>> Please stop wittering on and actually address some of the points the >>> anti >>> H2 FCV commentators have made here. >>> >>> Principally, please explain how you believe H2 FCVs will work in terms >>> of >>> efficiency Vs (real ie plug-in) EVs? >>> >>> MW >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/ >> group/NEDRA) >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/ > group/NEDRA) > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140627/a04764df/attachment.htm> _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
