Ø Can you tell us how the survey was worded?
Here is the exact wording: (note, it is actually 60% in this study if you include those that would signup if they could): "Many PEV owners have solar panels on their roofs. 42% of respondents have solar panels, 18% consider installation, and 40% have no plan to install. “ From: http://pubs.its.ucdavis.edu/download_pdf.php?id=1839 *From:* Chris Meier [mailto:[email protected]] *Sent:* Friday, June 27, 2014 4:34 PM *To:* Mark Abramowitz; Electric Vehicle Discussion List; Mark Abramowitz via EV; Robert Bruninga *Subject:* Re: [EVDL] Hydrogen/EV thoughts (EV emissions) Can you tell us how the survey was worded? The one resulting in a desire for renewable fuels? On June 26, 2014 11:25:14 AM CST, Mark Abramowitz via EV <[email protected]> wrote: On Jun 26, 2014, at 8:20 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV <[email protected]> wrote: Are you saying that the main problem with battery electrics is also that most of the power it uses is not renewable? Careful: Studies have shown that about HALF of EV buyers also have SOLAR or sign up for 100% solar/wind from their utilities. It is -not- a coincidence that those who want to be part of the future of clean energy do both. SO -never- use the published "utility mix" to derive carbon impact of EV's without dividing it at least in HALF even today to account for the demographics of EV buyers 50% of which use 100% emissions free energy. Very interesting and promising statistic. Do you have a cite? This is the low-hanging fruit. Great to see what people will do given a choice. Good sign for future of renewables. As an aside, an OEM rep told me point blank "our customers want renewable fuels." What % of electricity comes from solar right now? Though the grid maybe 40% coal in some places, you must apply these corrections for EV electricity: 1) 50% of EV buyers use only 100% renewable energy for charging 2) The EV is about 3 times more efficient in total energy per mile than gasoline As a result 40% times 50% times 33% gives only about 7% of EV energy comes from coal (and it only gets better every day). Not the 100% stack emissions that the climate change deniers want you to believe. I don't think that's right either. Too simplistic. GREET model data is better. Right now, there is NO silver bullet. YES there is! and it is EV's and solar/wind. When you say "right now" you are pessimistically using today's pitiful 2% contribution of solar on the grid, but that includes 98% of decades old LEGACY systems. No, I'm not using that assumption. I am talking about vehicles, not the source of the energy. I am assuming that one size does not fit all. If you don't provide a ZEV that works for them, they will use an ICE. Even for existing ZEV users. A recent post had a died-in-the-wool BEV user talking about how they reluctantly had to use their ICE to take someone to the airport. Point is, you need every emission reduction you can get, and every possible way to change out the fleet to ZEV. BEVs are just one part of a mix that will change over time. FCEVs are an important part, too, and in fact expected to exceed BEVs in the mix. The market and advances in technology will determine how that eventually looks. When I see "right now" I don't see the 2%, I see the 400% annual growth *rate* of renewables and EV's and the 20% decline of coal, and gasoline imports! I see the 93% instant *average* reduction in carbon emissions for each new EV on the road. Or, for half of us that subscribe to 100% renewable energy, a 100% reduction. Bob, WB4aPR ------------------------------ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ------------------------------ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140627/e21651da/attachment.htm> _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
