I have seen 2 Volts in my life, one yesterday. I must say it is a pretty nice looking car. At $34K it costs about double what I am willing to put into a car. Cars don't deserve that much IMO. But there you have it, I am a cheapskate. Waiting for used.
On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 8:47 PM, Ben Apollonio via EV <[email protected]> wrote: > I know it's not a 'true' EV, but definitely don't forget the noble Chevy > Volt. At just $34k before tax credit, it provides decent EV range (unlike > the other PIH), decent performance, a coddled battery that will last > forever, actual back seat and trunk space (unlike the puny Leaf), and > versatility that only the Tesla can rival (at 3x the price). I think its > the perfect car for someone who wants to go EV, needs more than the 70 > miles the automakers have settled on (or lives in harsh climates), and > can't/won't throw down a fortune for a Tesla. > > That said, if you have the money, the Tesla is definitely the superior car > for 99% of your driving needs. > > -Ben > > On Jul 7, 2014, at 5:41 AM, brucedp5 via EV <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > After seeing many misinformed newswires on that topic, that did not state > > where EVs are available and at what price so the public can compare, I > > thought I would put together this post. > > > > I encourage comments and evdl members to post similarly of what EVs are > > available and their prices in their location. > > > > I searched for new non-compliance-car EVs in the SF Bay area. I think it > > would be interesting to compare with other regions. My local Mitsubishi > > dealership web pages did not list the iMiev so, I left the iMiev out. > Here > > is what I found: > > > > > > $32k 2015 Nissan Leaf S Trim r:75mi-EPA, Level-3 charging:CHAdeMO > > > http://www.stevenscreeknissan.com/new-inventory/index.htm?year=2015&&&sortBy=internetPrice+asc&model=LEAF&; > > Stevens Creek Nissan > > > > > http://www.nissansunnyvale.com/new-inventory/index.htm?model=LEAF&&&&year=2015&; > > Nissan Sunnyvale > > > > > > $43k 2014 BMW i3 (EV-only) r:81mi-EPA, Level-3 charging:Combo css > > > http://www.stevenscreekbmw.com/new-inventory/index.htm?model=i3&sortBy=internetPrice%20asc&; > > Stevens Creek BMW > > > > > http://westmont.laurelbmw.com/Westmont/For-Sale/New/?ModelId=2432&Model=i3 > > BMW of Fremont > > > > > http://www.peterpanbmw.com/inventory.aspx?_new=true&_model=i3&_sort=priceasc > > Peter Pan BMW > > > > http://www.eastbaybmw.com/inventory.aspx?_new=true&_makef=BMW&_model=i3 > > East Bay BMW > > > > > > $70k Tesla Model S 60kWh r:208mi-EPA, Level-3 charging:Supercharger > > http://www.teslamotors.com/models/design > > > > > > All these USD prices are before any rebates and will vary (dealerships > mark > > up the price wildly to get as much as they can). These prices were the > > lowest ones I found on the above dealership websites. > > > > In the following 3 different EVs, they each have level-3 quick charging > and > > multiple driving modes. These Automakers seem to have made much more of > an > > EV commitment than all the others. I am using a price to mileage ratio to > > roughly compare the EVs' bang-for-the-buck (the lower the number, the > better > > the deal): > > > > Leaf: ~427 (=32000/75) > > > > i3: ~511 (=43000/81) > > > > Tesla-S: ~337 (=70000/208) > > > > > > The Tesla-S has the best overall deal, and the Leaf is the better > > lower-purchase-cost deal. > > > > But besides not being a better cost/range deal, there is another problem > > with the i3. There is nil Combo css level-3 quick charging in the > Americas. > > Therefore the i3 only has a 6kW level-2 charging capability in the > Americas. > > For some, level-2 is all they need but not having Level-3 quick charging > > that is a game-killer for many buyers. They may hardly use it, but it it > > there if they want to use it, and it adds to the EV's resale value. > > > > > > I suppose we could do a similar comparison with the compliance-car EVs, > but > > why? > > > > Besides being hard to get, harder to get support, they do not have > level-3 > > charging. Also those Automakers could pull a Toyota and abandon their > > compliance-car EVs to go fcv just to garner more ice-selling credits. > And we > > know Automakers and Oil companies are vying for a change when it is time > for > > the next U.S. Presidential vote (hoping for the same dismemberment of the > > CARB mandate that happened under GW's reign). > > > > The newswires talk of more production EVs coming next year, but I say why > > wait? 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