Thanks! It looks like they were going to get their CO2 sequestration equipment from Htcenergy.com. Found nothing about criteria pollutant emissions. I suspect that the marketing of this project led Roland to believe that it was a zero emission project, when this was not the case.
Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 21, 2014, at 2:39 PM, Mr23 via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > > Roland, Mark, et al, > > After posting Roland's comments somewhere else (MN PluginEV group on FB), > another member challenged it. Digging into the web I found that: > > Apparently the project was due online in 2014 but was cancelled. > http://sequestration.mit.edu/tools/projects/antelope_valley.html > A nearby plant in Bell Creek Montana did apparently go online in 2013 > http://sequestration.mit.edu/tools/projects/bell_creek.html. > > Roland, could you check your source? > > Thanks, > -Chris > >> On 12/21/2014 11:42 AM, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote: >> Can you give me some references where I might find more information about >> this plant, like their permit to operate or PSD permit (this is an >> attainment area, right?)? >> >> This sounds kinda like the perpetual motion machine equivalent in the air >> quality field, but I'm always open to hearing about new things. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Dec 21, 2014, at 8:21 AM, Roland via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: >>> >>> >>> As more coal plants are converted to 0% direct air pollution, then this >>> will be no problem. We have one coal generating plant about 460 miles east >>> of us that is in North Dakota. It has been converted to a 0% direct air >>> pollution. There is no main stack that releases CO2 and/or other compounds >>> in the air. >>> >>> >>> >>> Also there is no train and trucks that deliver the coal to the coal plant. >>> The large mining equipment only uses electric power that comes from this >>> coal plant. The coal is deliver by large electric drive conveyers that are >>> miles long. >>> >>> >>> >>> The coal is deliver to a coal processor where it is reduce to a fine dust >>> that is blown in from the bottom and at the top of the coal plant. As the >>> coal combines together in the middle of the stack, it is ignited. The >>> exhaust comes out of the side of the stack and goes down to generators that >>> produce the electricity. >>> >>> >>> >>> The exhaust exits out of the generator that goes to processor plant to >>> separate the compounds to be sold to manufacturers. The CO2 is deliver to >>> the oil fields in North Dakota and Canada, where it is injected into the >>> oil formations which increases the specific gravity of the oil to above 25% >>> which it then can be pipe directly to oil refineries with out >>> pre-processing to get it to the specific gravity that is needed to pump >>> into a oil pipe line. >>> >>> >>> >>> We have one pipe line that comes from Canada that goes to Great Falls, >>> Montana to a converted refinery that processes this oil. We sneak that one >>> in before it got delay like the Tar Sand oil pipe line. Note, they do not >>> pipe TAR SAND oil which is the asphalt base of this oil. It is pre-refine >>> to get it to a certain specific gravity, so it can be pump into a pipe line >>> and becomes the same specific gravity as the oils in the U.S. >>> >>> >>> >>> I use about 2.5 gallons of this oil products in my EV, which is 12 gts for >>> the transmission, 6 gts for the differential, 5 qts for the hydraulic pumps >>> for the power steering and power brakes. Then there is the greases for all >>> the bearings. >>> >>> >>> >>> I get the electricity from the indirect power of the sun and gravity. >>> Water rising from the oceans, falling back down through hydro dams of which >>> we have five here in Great Falls. One has just been converted with power >>> houses off the river instead of the standard dam type. >>> >>> >>> >>> Roland >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> From: Danny Ames via EV<mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org> >>> >>> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List<mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org> ; >>> Sfeva<mailto:sf...@yahoogroups.com> >>> >>> Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 12:36 AM >>> >>> Subject: [EVDL] PNAS report cites study that EV's pollute more than gas >>> cars. >>> >>> >>> >>> Report is titled: Life cycle air quality impacts of conventional >>> andalternative light-duty transportation in theUnited States >>> >>> It seems the main stream press has taken this to task citing the PNAS >>> report that EV's cars can pollute more than gas cars. >>> >>> Thus making the case for EVs more difficult to defend. What I'm not sure is >>> the report did not take into consideration I believe is the amount of >>> electricity to make the fuel. This single fact I think would >>> significantly alter the report to favor EV cars over gas. >>> >>> Of course their many of other reasons to drive EV's over ICE gas cars. >>> >>> >>> Some major news outlets and even my local news station KPIX TV started >>> citing a new report >>> http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2014/12/10/1406853111.full.pdf#page=1&view=FitH<http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2014/12/10/1406853111.full.pdf#page=1&view=FitH> >>> from the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. That EV's >>> pollute more than gas cars when you take in the energy to manufacture >>> the EV and batteries. What I could not find in the report so far is >>> citing the amount of energy it takes to make 1 gallon of gas. As cited >>> here >>> http://gatewayev.org/how-much-electricity-is-used-refine-a-gallon-of-gasoline<http://gatewayev.org/how-much-electricity-is-used-refine-a-gallon-of-gasoline> >>> it takes 6KW for 1 gallon of fuel. >>> Danny Ames >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: >>> <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20141220/43ea9c59/attachment.htm<http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20141220/43ea9c59/attachment.htm>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> UNSUBSCRIBE: >>> http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub<http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub> >>> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org<http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org> >>> For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA >>> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA>) >>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: >>> <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20141221/af799040/attachment.htm> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >>> For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA >>> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> _______________________________________________ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA >> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20141221/ef0f4fe8/attachment.htm> > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
