Here's my observation I received my cells and new the measured 3.3 volts. 16 
months later when I put then in the vehicle they measured 3.298 and 3.297.

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> On Jun 20, 2015, at 12:39 PM, Cor van de Water via EV <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> 
> One last question and then I prefer not to extend this subject any longer 
> since it appears beaten to death:
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> 
> 
> Paul and Michael,
> 
> Did you guys actually *measure* Li-Ion cells over extended period to verify 
> if they show self-discharge or not?
> 
> Because the interesting thing is that self-discharge is not only well defined 
> (so it must be an issue) but it appears
> 
> that everyone who measured Li-Ion cells over extended time periods (and not 
> just a quick voltage check that they still had juice)
> 
> is convinced that they do show self-discharge.
> 
> To me, it seems to be the classical case of “in theory, there should be no 
> difference between practice and theory. In practice, however…”.
> 
> 
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> Regards,
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> Cor van de Water
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> From: Michael Ross [mailto:[email protected]] 
> Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 6:30 AM
> To: Cor van de Water; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] "Zero self-discharge" (was: Bicycle battery)
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> 
> 
> I think this is going to come down to semantics and word definition. 
> 
> 
> 
> I bet Popov never looks into self discharge because it is a basic non 
> existent occurrence in lithium ion batteries. Which is what Paul Dove and I 
> have been saying.  I saw in the paper linked by Cor that he used self 
> discharge referring to capacity loss.
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> Here is Dr. Popov's website:
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> http://sc.edu/study/colleges_schools/engineering_and_computing/faculty-staff/popovbranko.php
> <http://sc.edu/study/colleges_schools/engineering_and_computing/faculty-staff/popovbranko.php>
>  
> 
> 
> 
> I went through the occurrences of "lithium" in the list and copied them for 
> your edification below. 
> 
> I will pull out the ones that seem pertinent to self discharge and capacity 
> loss in a separate posting.  Mostly that is not what Popov is concerned with.
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> *snip*
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