But in full disclosure, I am a solar junkie, and if I remember correctly, you are a hydrogen lobbyist paid to undermine EV's in favor of the fool-cell hydrogen economy. Your painting of EV's with the coal brush undermines your credibility too.
Bob -----Original Message----- From: Mark Abramowitz [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 4:34 PM To: Robert Bruninga; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV facts, coal and shooting ourselves in the foot I think I agree with everything you said EXCEPT that if coals provides most power, it *is* an issue, and a matter of credibility if you don't acknowledge it. Sure, if there are options to avoid that, by all means, point those out. In fact, it doesn't really matter what % is using those options. I don't think I said anything about condemning EV owners. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 17, 2015, at 1:20 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV <[email protected]> wrote: >> I agree, but in some areas a lot of the energy *is* being produced by >> coal. So there's a need to avoid understating that. > > I disagree completely. Electricity can be 90% coal in some areas, but > if 83% of EV owners are putting up solar or subscribing to wind power > then there is no need to condem all EV owners for coal when only 17% > of them are using it and intend to continue to use it. > >> Fortunately, the amount of electricity produced by coal will be >> dropping fairly quickly. > > But for 83% of us, it has dropped to Zero NOW. We aren't waiting. > > I'll be darned if I am going to be condemned for burning coal when I > don't. Just like I don't like the implication that if 20% of > Americans smoke, then on average, I smoke 4 out of every cigarette in > every pack of 20. I don't smoke any and I don't use ANY coal for fuel for my EV. > > Bob, WB4APR > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 6:05 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Who would have thought even a decade ago that FORD would be issuing >> apparently pro-EV news releases? >> >> That said, IMO we need to be a little more careful how we use the >> Ford survey data. It doesn't say that 83% of EV owners are charging >> their EVs with PV. It says that 83% of them HAVE or ARE INTERESTED >> IN GETTING PV capacity. That's a pretty substantial difference. >> >> Regrettably I can't find a web resource that breaks out the have-its >> from the wanna-have-its. So, this number doesn't really tell us >> anything about how many current EV owners are charging with >> alternative > energy. >> >> What it does suggest is a strong correlation between EV ownership and >> environmental consciousness. >> >> In terms of selling and promoting EVs, you can view this in two ways. >> One is that promoters should "fish where the fish are," and continue >> pushing EVs "green cred" or even increase these efforts. The other >> is to say that the way to increased EV adoption is to edge toward >> promoting their dollars-and- cents value. >> >> Which is the right EV promotion strategy? To determine that, we >> should look at the reasons that owners bought gas-only "hybrids" >> 10-12 years ago, vs why they buy them today. If we see a substantial >> increase in Prius and other non-pluggable "hybrid" sales among >> cost-conscious buyers over that decade, that might suggest that at >> some point (though maybe not yet) we should swing toward promoting >> EVs' economic benefits. If the majority of non-plug "hybrid" buyers >> still buy them for their "greenness," that argues in favor of the >> first > strategy above. >> >> Either way, we have a big job ahead of us to counter the growing >> negative PR being dispensed by the traditional energy providers. >> They have way more media clout than we do, and seem to be doing very >> well at sowing FUD about EVs supposedly "increasing pollution" with >> trumped-up, bogus data about coal fired powerplants. >> >> David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA >> EVDL Administrator >> >> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL >> Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = >> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = >> Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. >> To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the >> webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . >> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA >> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
