Hi David and All, It's fairly easy as no labor involved, all
done by robots. And in 10 yrs they will be under $50/kwhr making
even economy cars cheaper to build and 20% to run of a gas version.
And there are many other battery types that will be with EV's inherent
efficiency, matching gasoline. Then there are the improvements
that come with lightweight, aero composite body/chassis EV's that near double
range again. Leaf's sell so cheap because of tax credits and
fear. If you start with the price after the tax credits, discounts, Leaf's
are doing well in resale value. And the Leaf's present cost to
make is about $12k for the EV and $5k for the battery and dropping. So they
still have lots of room to drop the price. Likely the tax credits are the
reason they cost as high as they do. Same thing happened to
solar panels when Germany, Spain subsidies were so large it kept the prices
high. Then when the subsidies were greatly cut we now have panels 10% of
their former price. EV's cost less to build than a gas car
other than the batteries with a 50kwhr pack soon costing $6k, a 30kwhr pack
$3k, EV's soon will cost less than a gas car of any type.
Jerry Dycus .
From: EVDL Administrator via EV <[email protected]>
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Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Batteries are King (A Gigafactory Challenge)
I'm hardly an expert on these matters, but over 7000 cells in a battery?
Good grief. With the stupefying amount of labor that has to go into
assembling such batteries, I don't see how Tesla (or anyone) can ever build
an EV for the masses
By this I mean an EV that anyone can afford, with performance (including
range) pretty close to an equivalent ICEV.
I don't mean a $37k EV (you don't really think that $7500 subsidy is going
to last, do you?). I'm talking about an EV that costs what an ICE Toyota
Yaris or Honda Fit costs, or less, and presents the same creature comforts,
with a range of at least 200 miles.
We know that 100 mile range is plenty. A few people will accept that, and a
few will pay a premium over the cost of an equivalent ICEV. Most won't.
That's why used Leafs are so unsettlingly cheap - it's supply and demand.
IMO, EVs won't become truly mainstream until they cost not just the same as,
but LESS than equivalent ICEVs. I actually hope I'm proven wrong, but from
here I don't see that happening with an EV battery containing thousands of
tiny cells.
David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
EVDL Administrator
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