People with ICE vehicles finance their fuel purchases separately from the vehicle. The same could be done for electric vehicle battery packs.
There is a good business model here for leasing battery packs separately from the vehicle. A pack would be leased originally with a guaranteed capacity of X. When it could no longer support that capacity, it could be leased to another customer with a capacity of Y (where Y is some fraction of X). Presumably the lease rate for a Y pack would be less than the rate for an X pack. A customer who paid for an X pack would always have a pack with at least that capacity. It is up to the leasing company to guarantee this. When a pack is no longer capable of supporting vehicle applications, it can be leased for stationary applications such as grid stability, or peak load shaving. When it is no longer suitable for stationary applications, it can be recycled into a new pack. Ed > On Mar 1, 2016, at 2:00 PM, Cor van de Water via EV <[email protected]> wrote: > > I don't think it has to do with the number of individual components > (cells in this case) or else the internal combustion engine would have > lost to the electric motor a very long time ago. > I think the problem is more with the upfront cost - it would be similar > to having to pay for almost all the fuel that your ICEV would be > consuming in the 8 or 10 years following, at the moment of vehicle > purchase. > So, we probably need a similar thing as cellphone companies do: either > you buy the phone upfront and you are free to go whomever you want, or > you buy a subsidized phone with a plan, but then you select a provider > that has good coverage in your area. > Meaning that you would buy an EV with a subsidy by the Charger Provider, > but you are required to install a charger from that provider in your > home and fill up (at home and on the go) at a charger from that > provider, unless you want to pay "roaming charges" to fill up at an EVSE > from a different provider. > > And then there is the pay-as-you-go option where you would still own the > car (it is not a shared car which is another option) but only pay when > you are actually using it. > I am sure that there have already been people that have done the math on > business plans for these options, but this would shave off the threshold > for entrance into an EV compared to an ICEV. > I do not know if the business plans would work out though. > > Cor van de Water > Chief Scientist > Proxim Wireless > > office +1 408 383 7626 Skype: cor_van_de_water > XoIP +31 87 784 1130 private: cvandewater.info > > http://www.proxim.com > > This email message (including any attachments) contains confidential and > proprietary information of Proxim Wireless Corporation. If you received > this message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. Any > unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution, or copying of any part of > this message is prohibited. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: EV [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of EVDL > Administrator via EV > Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2016 1:47 PM > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List > Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Batteries are King (A Gigafactory Challenge) > > I'm hardly an expert on these matters, but over 7000 cells in a battery? > > Good grief. With the stupefying amount of labor that has to go into > assembling such batteries, I don't see how Tesla (or anyone) can ever > build > an EV for the masses > > By this I mean an EV that anyone can afford, with performance (including > > range) pretty close to an equivalent ICEV. > > I don't mean a $37k EV (you don't really think that $7500 subsidy is > going > to last, do you?). 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