That (posted price) and elimination of the memberships would help. I can't speak for others but I would like to use any available charge station as simply as one uses a gas station. Pay, charge, done. No dealing with being a member, paying a yearly subscription, and being stuck at a place where you're not a member.

The membership model works if you regularly charge at the same place. But for people who would like to use EVs without having to carefully plan where to charge, that model sucks.

The question I have is whether a company can make a profit on a charge station without either a large subsidy or a membership fee. Does anyone have a financial breakdown?

Peri

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From: "Tom Keenan via EV" <[email protected]>
To: "paul dove" <[email protected]>; "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]>
Cc: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[email protected]>
Sent: 14-Sep-16 7:08:46 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Na Researchers reveal 650mi on single-charge Tesla 'superbatteries'

Perhaps the next thing in charging will be to post a sign at the charge station with a $/kWh sign - somewhat like $/gallon at gas stations. Could be different prices for L2 and fast charging. Once there are enough charging stations in an area, drivers could choose based on price they see, rather than poking around a smartphone app and trying to decipher the various charges online. Might make the cost of charging more competitive and less random.

Tom Keenan

On Sep 14, 2016, at 3:50 AM, paul dove via EV <[email protected]> wrote:

 Hey Lawrence,

Yeah I don't believe that is true. Their may be some game by reducing weight I don't think aerodynamics is going to play into it unless it's a sports car. Most people purchase a car For other reasons then economy. Comfort, utility, whatever fits their lifestyle. Weight is the greatest factor in the range of your vehicle. I have two electric vehicles and they both follow the rule of thumb weight/10 = watts per mile. This changes based on how you drive but that's the average again. I believe battery technology will continue to improve for another 10 years. I think the bigger problem is the charging infrastructure. The cars are good enough now and the batteries are good enough now there's just a shortage of places to charge. They shouldn't start charging stations at every gas station preferably fast chargers.they need to quit giving away free energy and start charging for the electricity so that the stations are reliable and maintained by someone making a profit. Then there would be no obstacle as to where you could drive your car and that's coming I'm sure of that.
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On Sep 12, 2016, at 10:10 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV <[email protected]> wrote:

Clearly the next frontier in electric automobile design is not the battery but the efficiency of the vehicle. If it is lighter and more aerodynamic this will allow the use of smaller packs and longer range. With smaller packs the charging time is reduced taking away the #1 problem with electric cars. The charging time. Currently Solar Cars from the Tesla Crusier Class at the World Solar challenge with out solar assistance have a 400 mile range on 15kw of batteries. Of course the vehicles weigh under 1000 pounds have seating for four and the tires are very narrow. I've been in Stella. It is comfortable and practical. The next electric vehicle I build will be light and efficient. Lawrence Rhodes.....

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