Maybe Mr Panasiewicz is Master of Science and Professional Engineer and
he apparently is a Certified Fire & Explosion Investigator and his Bio
even states that he specializes in Electrical Engineering, but I highly
doubt that he has any practical knowledge of Electric Vehicles.
He has several decades of electrical engineering, in particular repair
of power supply equipment for Aerospace, as well as working as electric
engineer in fire and explosion investigation and Failure Mode Analysis
(which typically is a paper exercise, nothing is actually made to fail
to do this analysis in practice), until 2 years ago when he became
Forensic Engineer for his current employer.

He contradicts himself and makes ridiculous statements with regards to
batteries, so either he has written this story in a different language
(French?) and it was (incorrectly) translated for him without him
verifying the translation, or he is actually making ridiculous
statements himself.

Let me give some examples:

Thermal runaway and Fire on Impact:
This is written to read as a horror story, totally ignoring that he is
generalizing about Lithium-Ion batteries, without even checking
statistics on how many EVs have burned due to the cited "serious risks"
and without any comparison to the number of ICE vehicles exploding and
burning due to similar incidents. I smell fear mongering creeping up.

Constantly 'Running'
"When an electric vehicle is parked, it is not de-energized."
The above statement is simply untrue.
Every commercial EV has contactors that disconnect the battery and
de-energize the vehicle as soon as you park and push the power (off)
button.
When you plug it in to charge, AC is fed to the charger and the output
of the charger is able to feed into the battery, but the drivetrain of
the vehicle is still de-energized. If you want to start about the danger
of the energy stored in the (disconnected) battery, then let's also
address the energy stored in the fuel tank of an ICE vehicle.

Proper Maintenance of Charging Stations:
"Inadequate cable insulation, wear and tear, collisions, vandalism and
 theft can damage charging cables and devices.
 Mass-produced cables that are not properly insulated or have exposed
 wiring from use or copper theft, standing water and damaged units
 all contribute to the potential for electric shock."
It seems that he has no clue about EVSE and the requirements for GFCI
and pilot handshake, so I will leave it at "this is fear-mongering and
an apparent lack of experience with UL certification and industry
practices"

Risk of Collision Injuries:
"Due to the lightweight construction of electric vehicles, the risk
 of injury may be higher for drivers and passengers involved in a
collision. 
 The Insurance Institute of Highway Safety shows that tiny cars are no
 match for bigger cars."
The old mistaken ideology that heavier is better.
Only he is forgetting that an EV has a large battery and thus all
commercial EVs are actually relatively heavy vehicles, ooops.
This brings us to one of his biggest goofs:

Battery Disposal Cost:
"When a battery-powered electric vehicle is involved in a collision,
 the battery needs to be removed, discharged, frozen and then destroyed.
 Getting rid of a large, lithium-ion battery can cost upwards of
$30,000.00"
Say what? Frozen? As in putting it into a freezer and freezing the
battery?
Why would anyone want to do that to a Lithium battery? Makes no sense at
all.
And Lithium battery packs from collision vehicles are not destroyed,
they are sold for good money, Nissan Leaf packs from Salvage cars fetch
upwards of $2k with low mileage ones ranging in the $3k - $4k from
dismantlers, so anybody who is paying to have their Lithium battery pack
destroyed for them might just as well throw that money from a highway
overpass.
I know, because I have bought and sold several Lithium battery packs
from Nissan Leaf. Even if the battery is completely worthless, such as
the pack that I have sitting on a pallet, coming out of a burned
vehicle, with the wiring inside the pack partially molten due to the
forceful discharge of the cells inside and the do-it-yourself
modifications on the pack that a previous owner made (and which caused
the fire), still I can drop off this pack for free at the nearest Nissan
dealer and they will take it and have it recycled for its materials, I
might even get a phone call soon from a local recycler who might be
interested in pickup up the pack for me and paying me for it.
So, there appears to be no basis in reality for this outrageous claim,
again: fear-mongering...

And this brings us to the claim:
Risk to Pedestrians:
"Electric vehicles are extremely quiet, and many drivers love this
 feature as it makes for a very peaceful driving experience.
 The downside of this feature is that it may pose injury risks to
 pedestrians, as the electric vehicle is mostly silent outside of the
 cabin as well, when in motion."
Did the author ever stand at the side of the road when vehicles were
passing? Indeed, there are some vehicles where the engine noise
overwhelms everything else, this is often a result of illegal
modifications to the exhaust system or the engine. All mass-manufactured
family sedans make very little engine noise when driving at a steady
speed in city traffic and the *majority* of the noise produced is coming
from the wheels, the tires hitting the pavement. While the engine noise
is always absent in an EV, every EV that is driving at normal speed in
city traffic makes a lot of (tire) noise. Only at very low speeds does
an EV become silent due to the absence of both engine noise and tire
noise. That is why almost all commercial EVs have been manufactured for
several years now, to have a noise maker that is automatically activated
at low driving speeds.
Either the author did not bother to investigate the actual situation or
he wrote this article a very long time ago and it now got published with
incorrect information.
At any rate, seeing the blatant mis-information in the article, I would
suggest to attach very low weight to the statements and conclusions.
Also the question presents itself, why this author, who should be so
qualified to write an excellent article with referenced statistics,
apples-to-apples comparisons between ICE and EV vehicles and accurate
technical details, ends up writing an opinion piece that superficially
seems to be legit because of his many titles, but upon inspection proves
itself grossly misrepresenting the presented issues - why does this
author publish such an article? I can only think of a single motivation
to do so and I will leave the conclusion to the readers.

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-----Original Message-----
From: EV [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of brucedp5 via EV
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 9:00 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [EVDL] Insurance Forensic Eng crying wolf ... (does this
explain why Insurers' EV-uptake is slow?)



% Normally, I seek out only the positive EV news item for posting. But
sometimes I find what seems like an anti-EV release that might shed some
light on other points concerning EVs. I ask that for those interested,
bring
up the URL (below) on your own (I did not want to post all their
mis-information as that only perpetuates their incorrect statements). I
did
put a few of the key points you should examine (see below).

- ? Am I right in thinking the purpose of this Eng's statements, are to
promote his company's agenda ? If so, then this is not necessarily a
Koch-Bros funded anti-EV/misinformation  smear, but one that is intent
on
helping drive business to that company ... (am I right?)

- Releases like this being sent out to Insurance companies will
certainly
keep them from wanting to 'take a risk' on EVs, once they have read all
the
overblown hype from the writer (his writing leans heavily on an 'EV sky
is
falling' attitude) %


http://www.canadianautoworld.ca/industry-news/electric-vehicles-and-the-
unique-risks-insurers-need-to-consider
Electric vehicles and the unique risks insurers need to consider
October 17, 2016  Chris K. Panasiewicz

 ... Insurance companies need to consider the major risks of insuring
these
lightweight, electric vehicles and ensure that premiums reflect the
potential risks associated with insuring them.

 ... [EV] risk of injury can be higher and repairs and replacement parts
can
be very costly. Here are some of the lesser-known concerns associated
with
owning and driving electric vehicles.

Thermal Runaway ...

Fire on Impact ...

Constantly 'Running' ...

Proper Maintenance of Charging Stations ...

Risk of Collision Injuries ...

Risk to Pedestrians ...

 ... electric vehicles posing twice the degree of accident and injury
risk
when stopping, starting, slowing down, backing up, and entering or
exiting
driveways ...

Battery Disposal Cost ...

Insurance companies need to be aware of the differences between
gas-powered
and electric vehicles, and consider the different risks associated with
insuring them ...

Chris K. Panasiewicz, M.Sc., P.Eng., CFEI, is a consulting forensic
engineer
who specializes in fire and explosions investigations and electrical
engineering. He is qualified as an expert witness in the Ontario
Superior
Court of Justice and has investigated over 300 forensic incidents to
date.
He has over 10 years of fire and explosions experience ...
[(c) 2016 Metroland Media Group]
...
https://ca.linkedin.com/in/chris-panasiewicz-5aa48092
Chris Panasiewicz
Forensic Engineer at Origin And Cause
http://www.origin-and-cause.com/media/Chris_Panasiewicz_new.pdf
...
http://www.origin-and-cause.com/
Origin & Cause-Fire Arson Investigator, Insurance Forensics
Origin & Cause has 25 Forensic Engineers and Fire Investigators that
combine
their Fire, Forensic Training and Education to Deliver Unrivalled
Response.
...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cry_Wolf
When one is said to Cry wolf it is an expression that means to "raise a
false alarm", derived from the fable The Boy Who Cried Wolf. Cry Wolf
may
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