At Mitsubishi's offices in Adelaide they have a lovely Chademo out the front that hardly ever gets used and about twenty L1 standard outdoor power outlets that the staff use all day.
John Lindsay > On 7 Nov. 2016, at 3:15 am, Robert Bruninga via EV <[email protected]> wrote: > > Yes, our EV club recommends one L2 for every DOZEN L1 outlets installed at > these 8 hour parking lots (Workplace, Transportation hubs, park-n-rides, > etc) > > And L1's even with cords do NOT need any infrastructure or internet or > billing. The employee just pays $6 per pay period for the priveledge. The > Federal Government has now made that policy for government employees. And > THAT is sustainable no matter how many EV's we get. > > Bob > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Meier [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 9:01 AM > To: Robert Bruninga; Electric Vehicle Discussion List > Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVSE's everywhere or long range batteries? > > *Some* L2 would still be desirable. > It can help when there are not enough L1/outlets. > But sometimes you want to make an unplanned trip and an hour or two of L2 on > site can make the difference. > -- > -Chris > > On November 6, 2016 7:35:41 AM CST, Robert Bruninga via EV > <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Sorry Robert, I completely disagree with you. >>> most people ultimately won't care if they are driving an ICE or an >> EV, >>> they bought the car for transportation and that's it. >>> If they need to go to a quick charge station once a week, that's >>> status quo for them. No big deal. >> >> I think many people are smarter than that. Once people with a daily 20 >> or >> 30 mile commute realize that they are spending an extra $15,000 for a >> 200 >> mile battery that they never use, when a $5,000 can do the same job we >> will start to see the practicality come back in to the car purchasing >> decision. >> >>> there are plenty of people who will never have a fixed location to >> charge. >> >> And so they will likely continue to need an ICE. But if the other 80% >> of us switch to electric look what a boon to emissions reduction that >> will be. And those tht can afford to buy a 200 mile EV will. But they >> should be aware that there will never be enough fast chargers and they >> will waste a good portion of their lives trying to find a place to >> charge and then have to waste a half hour waiting for it to work. >> >> Most people are smarter than that. >> >>> At some point, the cost of building very high speed level 3 charge >> stations >>> will be cheaper than providing L2 charging in parking places. >> >> There is lunacy in that vision as well. It makes no sense to put L2 >> chargers in workplace, airport, trainstation parking spaces. Or any >> place where cars spend 8 hours a day parked. The L2 is a complete >> waste there, when a standard 120v oulet can do the same job. In 8 >> hours, an L1 ouitlet (or cord) can provide 40 miles of range. More >> than the daily usage of the average american. >> >> And cars spend 23 hours a day parked somewhere. >> >> Bob >> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> From: "Robert Bruninga via EV" <[email protected]> >>> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]> >>> Cc: >>> Sent: 05-Nov-16 9:20:07 AM >>> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Local dealer $1k-deposit-signup(reserve): Bolt >> EV's In >>> Production >>> >>> Seriously? >>>> >>>> if you don't have access to an EVSE, you can't charge your Bolt. >>>>> >>>> >>>> It is foolish for anyone to buy an EV if he does not have a parking >> place >>>> and a place to charge it everyday. (At home or at work). Fast >> charging is >>>> only for emergencies and trips. It is UNSUSTAINABLE to think that >> EV's >>>> are >>>> going to be fueled using the old gas-station model (which is the >> ultimate >>>> in inconveneince that the EV (charged while parked at home or at >> work) is >>>> best at eliminating!).... >>>> >>>> Bob, WB4APR >>>> >>>> On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 8:02 AM, paul dove via EV <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Because the government forced them to make it >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 4, 2016, at 10:00 PM, Rush Dougherty via EV >> <[email protected] >>>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I looked at the Bolt last night on line, spent a little while >> going >>>>> thru >>>>> the >>>>>> stats, various reviews etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> One thing that totally astounded me was that the CSS Inlet and >> HV >>>>> charging set >>>>>> up costs about $500 and ALSO the Level 1 charger costs another >> $500 or >>>>> so. That >>>>>> means that if you don't have access to an EVSE, you can't charge >> your >>>>> Bolt. >>>>>> >>>>>> Come on now folks, is this company really serious about entering >> into >>>>> the EV >>>>>> market? Why produce an EV it you won't even supply a way to >> charge >>>>> it... >>>>>> >>>>>> My 2 watts opinion... >>>>>> >>>>>> Rush Dougherty >>>>>> Tucson AZ 85719 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>>>>> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >>>>>> Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ > Please >>>>> discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/ >>>>> group/NEDRA) >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>>>> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >>>>> Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV >>>>> drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/ >>>>> group/NEDRA) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>> URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/ >>>> 20161105/6ab3bb6b/attachment.htm> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>>> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >>>> Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV >>>> drag racing at NEDRA >> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group >>>> /NEDRA) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was >> scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20161106/7ca >> 6742b/attachment.htm> _______________________________________________ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag >> racing at NEDRA >> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
