Bruce - Very nice summary.

Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ 85719


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> From: EV [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of brucedp5 via EV
> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 2:21 PM
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> Subject: [EVDL] EVSE @the work place: Bolt EV's In Production
>
> Peri sez >your system serves only 100 cars per day (maybe a few more if people
shuffle
> around at noon)<
>
> I won't bore you with all the EVSE I requested put in at several hp sites,
those were a long
> time ago, ancient history mixture of L1 and 14-50's, and have since been
yanked out as most
> of those sites hp sold off.
>
> Instead I use the former Sun Microsystems site in Menlo Park, CA
> http://jacobsschool.ucsd.edu/events/2012/facebook/images/facebook_parking.jpg
> (map of bldg numbers, pre-Facebook site revamp)
>
http://www.zdnet.com/i/story/62/77/002995/facebook_east_campus_menlo_park_big.pn
g
>
> [sidebar - history:
> A lot has changed since FB took over that site, it is no longer the quiet
pleasant high-tech site
> Sun made it into:
> https://www.quora.com/What-changes-is-Facebook-making-to-the-former-Sun-
> Microsystems-campus-in-Menlo-Park
>
> Instead, it now has very tight (paranoiac) security, yet a favorite of the
public to get a snap of
> their FB sign out front of the main entrance (when you drive by, you most
likely will see people
> taking a photo-op in front of the FB sign) https://encrypted-
> tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTIwnjWgXKNREv57vLPd8HCDfQXlGpyE8xrmuj5nf
> gUU64Vqebj
>
>
http://www.businessinsider.com/why-suns-logo-is-on-the-back-of-facebooks-sign-20
14-12
> But on the back of that FB sign is the last original Sun sign. FB CEO had it
flipped around
> and the then back painted over to use it as FB's sign front (presevering Sun
failure/folding)
> http://v6.designforfun.com/display.php?id=142
>  to remind FB employees to 'keep working' (sort of like employee motivation
via regular 1k
> Volt shocks - its very different at FB, lots of motivation slogans, etc.).
> / sidebar]
>
> With a boat-load of cash flow, that FB site has a whole lot of employee EVSE.
If you bring up
> plugshare with that site's address, plugshare won't show any public EVSE (FB
got plugshare
> to not display/show FB's employee EVSE. I used to show on plugshare before,
but now it
> doesn't).
>
> But if you are smart (like me) there is a way to still find all the EVSE (I
and others) have
> documented on plugshare:
> https://www.google.com/search?q=plugshare.com+facebook+menlo
>
> Facebook - Building 12 | Menlo Park, CA
> api.plugshare.com/view/location/12691
>
> Facebook - Building 15 | Menlo Park, CA
> api.plugshare.com/view/location/56279
>
> Facebook - Building 14 | Menlo Park, CA
> api.plugshare.com/view/location/12481
>
> Facebook HQ | Menlo Park, CA
> api.plugshare.com/view/location/6273
>
>
> Many of the images shown are now old as FB has yanked the Blink EVSE for
Chargepoint,
> and even some of their older CT2100 Chargepoint EVSE were replaced by newer
CT4000
> Chargepoint EVSE (FB has lots of cash, so repeatedly spending money on EVSE
like this is
> no problem for FB).
>
> So, at bldg18 all the Blink shown are now chargepoint
https://13dd3533ebd96a38e097-
> ffd458871468d7801be60d93d5d79b26.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/45930.jpg
>  but notice that image is old as today, the EVs are no longer all Leaf EVs,
but a wide mixture
> of EV brands. Employees come to work, plugin, and then relocate at lunch time
to make the
> EV spot available for some other plugin.
>
> There is a 50kW CHAdeMO L3 EVSE at bldg 12, but most of the EVSE at that FB is
L2-
> 6kW chargepoint. Their L2 is scattered around from a couple in front of bldg
10 (hq), bldgs
> 12 & 18, to several in the bldg 15 parking lot.
>
> https://13dd3533ebd96a38e097-
> ffd458871468d7801be60d93d5d79b26.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/15297.jpg
> Bldg 15's EVSE particularly impressed me, as it seemed to be the last EVSE
installations
> FB put in at that site.
>
> The facilties person utilitized 6 of the existing cement pad squares in the
parking lot (between
> the parked cars) to install in each: two dual L2-6kW coupler CT4000
Chargepoint EVSE,
> along with putting one duplex 5-20 outlet at the bottom of each CT4000.
> https://www.chargepoint.com/img/branded/fb_menlopark2.jpg
>
> Each of the duplex' two L1 outlets were on their own 120VAC 20A circuit. So,
each pad had
> 4 L2-6kW and 4 L1 charging. That may seem like over kill, but FB did this EVSE
installation
> in a big way.
> https://www.chargepoint.com/img/branded/fb_menlopark3.jpg
> So, there is an example of EV spot parking that can charge at either L2-6kW or
L1 (wow!).
>
> If you look at the two last images, you will see the plugins are either EVs
that can only L2
> charge at 3kW or pih that can only charge at 3kW. When I had visited the site
a long while
> ago (before being chased out by FB security), there were some Tesla, and Focus
EVs
> plugged into L2, but most in that long EV charging row of beaucoup EVSE were
only pulling
> 3kW at most.
> About 20% were charging off L1 using their portable EVSE.
>
>
> I would also like to use that work site as an example of how L3 can be
implemented. FB
> originally installed 1 Blink 50+kW L3 EVSE that had two couplers (but only one
at a time can
> be used/powered), with a long row of Blink L2-6kW farther down:
> https://13dd3533ebd96a38e097-
> ffd458871468d7801be60d93d5d79b26.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/6677.jpg
>
> The Blink L3 is still there, but the Blink L2 have been replaced by CT4000.
> Comments on the (above) plugshare listings mention that the employee's with
Tesla EVs are
> hogging the Blink L3 (via a Tesla to CHAdeMO adapter).
>
> To me because FB is doing EVSE in a big way, I am guessing that FB will likely
upgrade
> those nearby chargepoint L2 they just put in, to L3 EVSE (they have the money
they can do
> what they want).
>
> Since FB has for the most part mostly migrated over to Chargepoint, they
likely will start
> installing ChargePoint Express CPE200 dual coupler L3 EVSE that can charge
either
> CHAdeMO or ccs https://www.chargepoint.com/products/commercial/cpe200/
>
> IMO I would rather see twice as many 25kW L3 installed with a mix of CHAdeMO
and ccs.
> Using a 50+kW L3 EVSE:
> -A 100mi EV will L3 charge in .5hr
> -A 200mi EV will L3 charge in 1hr
> -A Tesla might take as long as 1.5+hr.
>
> The 25kW L3 equipment hardware, and utility installation cost would be lower
when
> compared to a 50+kW L3 EVSE. More employees would feel plugged in before
starting their
> day. And FB could keep the 50+kW Blink around for those in a big hurry.
>
> Using a 25kW L3 EVSE, the charge times are doubled: -1hr, 2hr, 3hr.
> This is fine for employees to not have to wait around for the L3 to finish.
> They can go to a meeting and come back to move the EV to finish the charge off
L2/1
> elsewhere.
>
> While it is most likely FB would also offer a valet service for this, for
those companies where
> the employees have to leave their desk to do this, the slower, less expensive
25kW L3 might
> time better for their productivity (plug it in, come back in a few hours, and
move, rather than
> waiting around).
>
> 25kW ccs L3 on a chargepoint network
> https://www.chargepoint.com/products/commercial/cpe100/
>
> 25kW CHAdeMO L3 on a chargepoint network is *not currently available So, my
above
> 25kW L3 chargepoint network method would have to wait until it is.
>
>
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