Note that all those EVs replace gasoline cars and by typically being more efficient as well as partial powered by renewables, mean that the *big picture* is shifting from all-oil to partial renewables by being converted from pure gasoline to electric power. BTW, here in California, I often hear the statement that approx half the EV purchases also lead to PV installs to avoid pushing the EV consumption into the highest tariff, in addition there is a movement to Community Choice Energy which means that the monopoly of the electric utility is broken when several communities come together and organise a structure that purchases energy for those communities. Typically they offer a default choice with 50% fully renewable energy and for a penny or so more, you can get 100%. So, there is also a growing group of residents (and cities and companies) who do nothing, but get their energy from more renewable sources, by virtue of being in a community that organises a CCE structure.
So yeah, a lot is happening that is not visble unless you know what is going on and place it in the right perspective. And Wind and Solar are still getting more competitive, while coal and oil are only getting more expensive and by that basic economy alone, fossil fuels are losing despite subsidies and renewables are accelerating. BTW, the message that electric consumption has grown is in direct contrast with something that I saw earlier tonight that said that electric consumption was down in the past years due to more efficient appliances, I immediately had to think about how every city that I know is converting all street lighting and traffic lights to LED to reduce their bills. Maybe they were not talking about the same field or country or market segment, I don't know. Just weird to hear two opposite statements the same night. Cor. -----Original Message----- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT via EV Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 9:30 AM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Cc: ROBERT Subject: Re: [EVDL] How the US generates electricity This is a very informative article. One interesting statement was: "(Note that while the low-carbon share is at record highs, renewables' share of the mix remains slightly below where it was in 1960. This is due to the growth of overall electricity demand.)" If we assume EV use will increase the electrical demand at a rate greater than the decrease caused by increased efficiency, then in the next 20 years electrical demand will increase. Unlike the period 2009 - 2016 where the electrical demand decreased. Using the statement above as a guide and information from the article, renewables share of the mix will decrease and natural gas share will increase. This would be the conclusion from the article; however, I am not sure I agree. ________________________________ From: EV <ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org> on behalf of Peter Eckhoff via EV <firstname.lastname@example.org> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 2:59 AM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Cc: Peter Eckhoff Subject: Re: [EVDL] How the US generates electricity The interesting thing about this carbon brief map is that my 5kw array is not listed. My installation predates a number of the large 5+ MW installations that are highlighted when moused over. It would take a thousand of my type of installations to make up one yellow dot on the map but I know that there are such roof top installations in this state just by the sheer number of solar installation companies and by how long they have been in business. I am wondering if this map is under reporting the amount of solar sourced generation taking place? And if so, are other sources of information under reporting the total amount of electricity being generated? We may be "cleaner" than we think. Also, what about solar hot water? On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 11:46 PM, Rush Dougherty via EV <email@example.com> wrote: > https://www.carbonbrief.org/mapped-how-the-us-generates-electricity [https://www.carbonbrief.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/us-map-screeshot .jpg]<https://www.carbonbrief.org/mapped-how-the-us-generates-electricit y> Mapped: How the US generates electricity | Carbon Brief<https://www.carbonbrief.org/mapped-how-the-us-generates-electricit y> www.carbonbrief.org For the first time Carbon Brief has plotted the United States' power stations in an interactive map to show how and where the US generates electricity. > > Here is an excellent site, Carbonbrief.com, that has a great > interactive graphic about how we generate our electricity. This kind > of website should be extremely useful in the future if the EPA and > other governmental websites do not publish public information. > > Take AZ for example. 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