Hey Daryl
Great to meet another EVDL Canadian member!  Thanks for the kudos and yes
would love to see that Elec-Trak, didn't know any actually made it to
Canada!  I don't know David or Jeff but I certainly don't think they wanted
their story to be used against EVs but somehow it is.  I started a FB group
for EVs in NS and one gentleman stated that he wouldn't trade in his Prius
for an EV until NS cleaned up their power generation.  Yes they still have
that time of day program ( my sister has an ETS heat unit and uses it), I
am considering it but the Volt I just got typically doesn't take that much
electricity, will have to look at the bill when it coms and see how much
difference it makes.
On the Facebook EV group, there is a woman who say she bought a Leaf and
drove it down from Ontario and used the finished New Brunswick charging
infrastructure.  So apparently it's possible already!


On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 2:50 PM, Darryl McMahon via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>

> Hi Dan,
> I'm 'down the road' in Ontario, but with NS roots (Annapolis Valley and
> Pictou County).  I've met David Swan a couple of times, and corresponded
> with Jeff Dahn.  I enjoyed your SnowPig video (and I hope to pick up more
> front lift motors on Friday to put my Elec-Trak snow team back into action).
> I think Efficiency NS is likely wearing the same blinders that Ontario's
> "Conservation First" continues to hold dear.  Focus only on grid
> electricity use (kWh), and ignore any potential for substituting
> renewables, going for major efficiency gains, or having any concept that
> using more electricity could actually be the BETTER option (relative say to
> using more natural gas, gasoline, diesel or heating oil).  (E.g., I could
> get an incentive to shift from an electric hot water tank to a natural gas
> hot water tank, but not to go from a natural gas hot water tank to a solar
> pre-heat system (no electric power reduction).  The Ontario program is
> pretty half-hearted anyway; clearly afraid of reducing baseload demand
> which justifies continued over-investment in their CANDU nuclear fleet.
> Nova Scotia Power used to have an incentive program for lower price
> electricity during the overnight period for 'charging' a heat storage
> unit.  Looks like that program is still in place. (
> https://www.nspower.ca/en/home/for-my-home/heating-solution
> s/electric-thermal-storage/default.aspx)  Perhaps NSP could be coaxed
> into seeing EVs as a similar proposition, and provide TOU pricing for EV
> households.
> Speaking of EVs in NS, I just saw the announcement there will finally be a
> province-wide EV network (12 stations) by summer 2018.  Hmmm, may finally
> be able to take the trip from Ontario to NS in our 2017 Leaf this year.
> Wind power continues to grow in NS (and the winds seem to be getting
> stronger in recent years), and Bay of Fundy tidal remains to be tapped in a
> significant way.
> Darryl McMahon
> On 1/3/2018 10:38 AM, ev-requ...@lists.evdl.org wrote:
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2018 11:38:30 -0400
>> From: Dan Baker<vmd...@gmail.com>
>> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List<ev@lists.evdl.org>
>> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Good News: EVs Are Not Crashing the Grid
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>> So we have an interesting conundrum in my province (Nova Scotia).  NS
>> decided to concentrate their efforts on saving energy instead of cleaning
>> it up first.  This makes sense as the most efficient watt is the watt that
>> was never used which I agree with.  They created an organization called
>> Efficiency Nova Scotia, which helps our sole power company's residential
>> and business customers save energy with credits for retrofits on lighting,
>> industrial equipment, even data centers in which I do audits for.  It has
>> worked great - the province is using 9% less power since 2008 despite high
>> growth in many areas.  The power company is happy because it doesn't have
>> to add more infrastructure, natural gas plants, etc.  The problem of
>> course
>> is when we start using electric cars, will that 9% disappear with the
>> additional 10% from EVs?  How will Efficiency NS work if the grid's
>> requirements increase?  Worse is the fact that the energy created here to
>> charge electric vehicles still comes mostly from polluting sources - see
>> article here
>> http://halifaxchronicle.can.newsmemory.com/publink.php?shareid=034660fc3
>> There is a somewhat valid argument that an electric car used in NS isn't
>> that much better than a hybrid or even a gas car which lends some minds
>> down here to think an EV really isn't worth it to buy or even give an
>> incentive for.  I have argued there is a lot more EV value than just C02 -
>> where it is emitted, the lower cost of ownership, our infrastructure and
>> attracting young talent will eventually suffer if we don't keep up with
>> this modernization.
>> Would love to hear your feedback!
>> Cheers
>> Dan
> --
> Darryl McMahon
> Freelance Project Manager (sustainable systems)
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