I know Tesla had problems with there gear box early on but I have heard of no battery issues. And since when is a bolt a lot less than a Tesla? My Tesla was 41000 that’s right in there with a bolt aren’t they ~37000?
Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 8, 2018, at 9:38 PM, Peri Hartman via EV <[email protected]> wrote: > > Well, does anyone have actual numbers regarding failures of Teslas? Overall, > they've been out long enough that "we" should know if there are reliability > problems or not. On my part, I have not heard of any widespread Tesla > failure. What reliability problems is C.S. referring to? > > As for C.S. other statement, I would agree one would be nuts not to consider > a Bolt. For a lot less money you get a great car. That doesn't say anything > bad about a Tesla, though. > > Peri > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "mark hanson via EV" <[email protected]> > To: "'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'" <[email protected]> > Cc: "mark hanson" <[email protected]> > Sent: 08-Sep-18 6:34:24 PM > Subject: [EVDL] Large Format Cells vs. Small Format Cells for EVs > >> Hi Bob etc, >> >> >> >> Consumer Reports said while they loved driving a Tesla model S, they gave it >> a poor rating on reliability and preferred the Leaf and now the Bolt, saying >> "you'd be nuts not to consider a Bolt". Elon Musk/Tesla is the *only* >> company that's putting 6800+ 21mm X 70mm itty bitty cells together in a >> large EV. When they came out with the Roadster in California, I asked a >> Tesla salesman about the long term reliability of 6800 points of failure and >> he said "don't think of it as 6800 points of failure, think of it as 6800 >> points of redundancy". Good spin. Either they know something that *no* >> other large scale vehicle manufacturer/engineering teams doesn't, or their >> long term reliability/profitability will continue to be poor. Knowing what >> I know about electronic componentry, I'll put my money on large format cells >> for large on road EV's, Bolt, Leaf, Smart, BMW etc. >> >> >> >> Note for further info, see: www.Batteryuniversity.com EV battery >> comparisons/lithium chemistries LMC Cathode, vs LiFePO4 & aluminized cathode >> (tesla type) cells. >> >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> >> >> Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2018 18:00:28 -0400 >> >> From: Robert Bruninga <[email protected]> >> >> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <[email protected]> >> >> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Fwd: A comparative efficiency study of ... now >> >> Redundancy! >> >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> >> >> >>> I've always had it beat into my pointy engineering head to minimize >> >>> component count. Which is also why id never own a Tesla with 6800 or >> >>> so cells in their battery. >> >> >> >> That philosophy fails to recognize the value gained in multiple redundancy. >> >> The Tesla battery of 6800 cells is far more reliable since it has 74 cells >> in PARALLEL for each 3.6volt lithium unit. Compared to a Leaf with only 2 >> cells in parallel at each stage in the stack. >> >> >> >> IN the Tesla the impact on any single battery failure is then only 3% of the >> impact of a cell problem on a car with larger format cells. >> >> >> >> I'd take the multiple redundancy of the Tesla any day. >> >> >> >> Bob >> >> >> >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20180908/dc82f936/attachment.html> >> _______________________________________________ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> > > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
