It is a better article, but it's still not clear what GM's true motive
is. It says: "unified standard," but that new standard would be lower
than California's current standard.
Is this a gamble compromise, on behalf of GM? Outcomes could be:
- retain the existing standards; probably costs GM more than lower
standards.
- have two standards; GM explicitly states it doesn't want this, too
expensive to manage.
- have a lower universal standard; a calculated risk: this is a test of
California's authority, which could end up in the supreme court. But, if
successful, probably more profitable for GM than the other two options.
Peri
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To: "Mark Abramowitz" <ma...@enviropolicy.com>
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Subject: Re: [EVDL] Automaker pitches (Call for nationwide U.S. EV
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This article spells it out better.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.freep.com/amp/1772182002
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On Oct 26, 2018, at 9:06 PM, Mark Abramowitz <ma...@enviropolicy.com>
wrote:
I’m not following you. Lower emission standards are MORE costly,
right?
Even if not, I can see how you want to call it a bailout, but I guess
that’s the case with any regulatory scheme. But I never hear it called
a bailout.
As far as Tesla, it’s hard to say the impact. Up until a certain
point, the more folks out there with the new technology, everybody
benefits. At some point (have we reached it yet?), these things make a
difference in the opposite direction.
But this is what we want, isn’t it? We’ve put in lots of incentives
for electric drive, and gee, companies are taking advantage of them!
Weakening of other standards is another story.
- Mark
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On Oct 26, 2018, at 9:36 AM, paul dove <dov...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Read between the lines. They want to have lower emission standards on
their trucks and SUVs so it will lower the cost and increase profits
to supplement their electric vehicle programs. Same thing as a
bailout. What does that do to companies like Tesla.
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On Oct 26, 2018, at 10:42 AM, Mark Abramowitz
<ma...@enviropolicy.com> wrote:
I appreciate the cynicism, but I find no evidence of that.
That article is old, but I suspect that the data still applies. It
says nothing about a government bailout.
So they are losing money on the Bolt. The Prius lost money for 10
years, but is Toyota’s most popular car. These folks are in it for
the long game, and have been investing in both types of EVs.
- Mark
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On Oct 26, 2018, at 4:04 AM, Paul Dove via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>
wrote:
Of course they do because they are losing money on the bolt. Need
another government bailout.
https://www.inverse.com/article/32239-why-gm-loses-money-chevy-bolt
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On Oct 26, 2018, at 2:03 AM, brucedp5 via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>
wrote:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-26/gm-breaks-with-trump-in-call-for-national-electric-car-mandate
GM Breaks With Trump in Call for National Electric Car Mandate
October 25, 2018 Automaker pitches U.S. rule to spur more EV
sales through
2030 ... GM says a nationwide program could put 7 million
long-range
electric cars on the road and slash 375 million tons of carbon
dioxide
emissions by 2030, compared with existing zero-emission vehicle
mandates ...
GM Wants Trump Administration To Back National Electric Vehicle
...
International Business Times-31 minutes ago
General Motors Co said on Friday it wants the Trump administration
to back a
nationwide program to boost the sale of zero emission vehicles
like electric
...
GM Breaks With Trump in Call for National Electric Car Mandate
Bloomberg-42 minutes ago
The Trump administration wants to end California's requirement for
automakers to sell more electric cars in the state each year.
America's
biggest automaker has ...
GM proposes nationwide zero-emissions vehicle sales mandate
WHSV-1 hour ago
California sets the requirements based on a complex formula that
considers
the total number of vehicles sold by an automaker and gives
credits for
fully electric ...
General Motors CEO: We call for federal electric and zero-emission
...
USA TODAY-1 hour ago
It will create jobs through the expansion of battery and electric
vehicle
research and development and production, improve the environment
and make
electric ...
https://www.google.com/search?q=Breaks+With+Trump+in+Call+for+National+Electric+Car+Mandate
2 hours ago - The Trump administration wants to end California's
requirement
for automakers to sell more electric cars in the state each year.
America's
...
GM Breaks With Trump in Call for National Electric Car Mandate ...
www.wiredfocus.com › electric cars
51 mins ago
GM Breaks With Trump in Call for National Electric Car Mandate ...
www.techheadlines.us › electric cars
51 mins ago
[dated]
Trump's rollback could zap California's electric car industry ...
https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article215984510.html
Aug 2, 2018
Trump is going after California's clean car mandate | TechCrunch
https://techcrunch.com/2018/07/.../trump-is-going-after-californias-clean-car-mandate...
Jul 23, 2018
California wants more electric cars. The Trump administration
doesn't ...
www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-fuel-standards-fight-20180202-story.html
Feb 2, 2018
Electric Vehicles: Government Mandates Threaten Customers ...
https://www.nationalreview.com/.../electric-cars-government-mandates-threaten-custo...
Feb 26, 2018
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