In the grand schema Tesla is just a tiny contributor to the global population of autos. Every thing the established manufacturers do to lag them will benefit them. I think it is all good for Tesla if they have less pressure.
Don't forget that Tesla is more or less the preeminent battery supplier. Tesla will eventually benefit a great deal on the battery sales front, but they can't keep up with their own demand yet, let alone the auto industry as a whole. All in all, EV manufacturing is still NOT a zero sum game. It is not engraved in stone that Tesla will survive when the ministry as a whole decides to go all in. But Tesla is doing far better at scratching out a place for itself than was predictable. Tesla is very disruptive, but still squash-able. I am very grateful for their pushing the tech forward and making EVs interesting. I hope they don't get squashed before EVs are well established. On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 10:54 PM paul dove via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > They want to have lower emission standards on their trucks and SUVs so it > will lower the cost and increase profits to supplement their electric > vehicle programs. Same thing as a bailout. What does that do to companies > like Tesla. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Oct 26, 2018, at 10:42 AM, Mark Abramowitz <ma...@enviropolicy.com> > wrote: > > > > I appreciate the cynicism, but I find no evidence of that. > > > > That article is old, but I suspect that the data still applies. It says > nothing about a government bailout. > > > > So they are losing money on the Bolt. The Prius lost money for 10 years, > but is Toyota’s most popular car. These folks are in it for the long game, > and have been investing in both types of EVs. > > > > - Mark > > > > Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > > > >> On Oct 26, 2018, at 4:04 AM, Paul Dove via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> > wrote: > >> > >> Of course they do because they are losing money on the bolt. Need > another government bailout. > >> https://www.inverse.com/article/32239-why-gm-loses-money-chevy-bolt > >> > >> Sent from my iPad > >> > >>> On Oct 26, 2018, at 2:03 AM, brucedp5 via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> > wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-26/gm-breaks-with-trump-in-call-for-national-electric-car-mandate > >>> GM Breaks With Trump in Call for National Electric Car Mandate > >>> October 25, 2018 Automaker pitches U.S. rule to spur more EV sales > through > >>> 2030 ... GM says a nationwide program could put 7 million long-range > >>> electric cars on the road and slash 375 million tons of carbon dioxide > >>> emissions by 2030, compared with existing zero-emission vehicle > mandates ... > >>> > >>> > >>> GM Wants Trump Administration To Back National Electric Vehicle ... > >>> International Business Times-31 minutes ago > >>> General Motors Co said on Friday it wants the Trump administration to > back a > >>> nationwide program to boost the sale of zero emission vehicles like > electric > >>> ... > >>> > >>> GM Breaks With Trump in Call for National Electric Car Mandate > >>> Bloomberg-42 minutes ago > >>> The Trump administration wants to end California's requirement for > >>> automakers to sell more electric cars in the state each year. America's > >>> biggest automaker has ... > >>> > >>> GM proposes nationwide zero-emissions vehicle sales mandate > >>> WHSV-1 hour ago > >>> California sets the requirements based on a complex formula that > considers > >>> the total number of vehicles sold by an automaker and gives credits for > >>> fully electric ... > >>> > >>> General Motors CEO: We call for federal electric and zero-emission ... > >>> USA TODAY-1 hour ago > >>> It will create jobs through the expansion of battery and electric > vehicle > >>> research and development and production, improve the environment and > make > >>> electric ... > >>> > >>> > >>> > https://www.google.com/search?q=Breaks+With+Trump+in+Call+for+National+Electric+Car+Mandate > >>> > >>> > >>> 2 hours ago - The Trump administration wants to end California's > requirement > >>> for automakers to sell more electric cars in the state each year. > America's > >>> ... > >>> > >>> GM Breaks With Trump in Call for National Electric Car Mandate ... > >>> www.wiredfocus.com › electric cars > >>> 51 mins ago > >>> > >>> GM Breaks With Trump in Call for National Electric Car Mandate ... > >>> www.techheadlines.us › electric cars > >>> 51 mins ago > >>> > >>> [dated] > >>> Trump's rollback could zap California's electric car industry ... > >>> > https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article215984510.html > >>> Aug 2, 2018 > >>> > >>> Trump is going after California's clean car mandate | TechCrunch > >>> > https://techcrunch.com/2018/07/.../trump-is-going-after-californias-clean-car-mandate. > .. > >>> Jul 23, 2018 > >>> > >>> California wants more electric cars. The Trump administration doesn't > ... > >>> > www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-fuel-standards-fight-20180202-story.html > >>> Feb 2, 2018 > >>> > >>> Electric Vehicles: Government Mandates Threaten Customers ... > >>> > https://www.nationalreview.com/.../electric-cars-government-mandates-threaten-custo. > .. > >>> Feb 26, 2018 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> For EVLN EV-newswire posts use: > >>> http://evdl.org/archive/ > >>> > >>> > >>> {brucedp.neocities.org} > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Sent from: > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/ > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > >>> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > >>> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > >>> > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >> URL: < > http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181026/c34f74c9/attachment.html > > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > >> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -- Michael E. 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