Mark, thanks for the reference. I just read the article
https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/automotive-and-assembly/our-insights/hydrogen-the-next-wave-for-electric-vehicles
it's easy to read and not very long. (You also have to wonder why a
"research" article is available at no charge.)
The article is purely speculative with not a single backed-up fact. This
is fine, but it needs to be taken for what it is.
Actually, it is nearly devoid of facts regarding BEV and FCEV efficiency
and completely devoid of any information on production of hydrogen from
non fossil fuel sources. The majority of statements with numbers also
contains words like "could", "might", "possibly".
The closest statements I found to presenting efficiency facts are:
Battery electric vehicles exhibit higher overall fuel efficiency as long
as they are not too heavy due to large battery sizes
...
Based on their entire life cycles, FCEVs achieve very low CO2 emissions,
in part because they don’t require large batteries whose production is
energy and resource intensive.
...
Currently, each ton of CO2 saved through FCEVs is estimated to cost more
than $1,500...
I think it's safe to say that, so far, we do not have any evidence that
technology will exist for efficiently producing hydrogen from non fossil
fuel sources.
Peri
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To: "Peri Hartman" <pe...@kotatko.com>; "Electric Vehicle Discussion
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Sent: 27-Dec-18 1:34:09 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] fear of hydrogen infrastructure
Sure.
“Hydrogen: The next wave for electric vehicles?”
By Bernd Heid, Martin Linder, Anna Orthofer, Marcus Wilthaner
I already posted the date.
I haven’t read the article yet, so you’ll have to read it yourself or wait
until I have a chance.
As far as the 2011 study, I only have a presentation from a DOE HTAC meeting by
Sandy Thomas, given in February, 2011.
- Mark
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On Dec 27, 2018, at 1:02 PM, Peri Hartman via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
Mark, can you post the title, author(s), pub date, and include the summary and
snips of any relevant findings that address your claim? That would help.
Peri
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Cc: "Mark Abramowitz" <ma...@enviropolicy.com>
Sent: 27-Dec-18 10:51:45 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] fear of hydrogen infrastructure
Hi Willie,
Apparently there was a study in 2011 and another in 2017 by McKinsey & Co.
The 2017 study was the subject of an article in November, 2017 in the
publication “Automotive and Assembly”. I was just sent a copy of it, but am not
sure that attachments can be posted to this list.
I was also sent a presentation to the DOE on the 2011 McKinsey study.
I’ve not read either one yet.
Hope this helps.
- Mark
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On Dec 26, 2018, at 5:15 PM, Willie via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
On 12/26/18 7:02 PM, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote:
Certainly good points about infrastructure. But when you look at costs at
scale, I understand a recent study showed hydrogen to be cheaper, by 3 to 1.
That astonishing claim DEMANDS a citation.
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