But these investers in big fast public chargers are not getting what they think they are getting. They are counting on a hundred thousand charging station opportunities, (that’s the number of gas stations). But just like nobody goes to Washington DC to buy gas at $5/gallon except when despite, EV's always can charge at home or at work 95% of the time. SO the market for big charging stations will not be as big as for gas stations.
If I know I can always charge at home, I will not twiddle my thumbs at a 20 minute FILLUP convenience store, but will only putin 5 minutes of charge to get home and fill up there. You cannot do that with gas, though I am amazed at the number of people that only put $5 worth of gas in their cars. (and spend half their driving time going back to the station!) Bob -----Original Message----- From: EV <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Peri Hartman via EV Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 12:14 PM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <[email protected]> Cc: Peri Hartman <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Oil &utilities buying up EVSE.net charging> fossil buy-in It's kind of disgusting but I think it's a good sign. Better to have them come on board rather than fight. Further, even if the current startups in the renewable energy business thrive and grow on their own, they probably won't end up being altruistic when they become dominant players. Different names on the doors, same mentality. Peri ------ Original Message ------ From: "SLPinfo.org via EV" <[email protected]> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]> Cc: "SLPinfo.org" <[email protected]> Sent: 17-Feb-19 8:47:58 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Oil &utilities buying up EVSE.net charging> fossil buy-in >This is not unlike the tobacco companies buying up food companies back >in the 1980s. They're planning ahead for diversifing their business model. > >Peter Flipsen >Carlton, Oregon > >On Sat, Feb 16, 2019, 11:25 PM brucedp5 via EV <[email protected] wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> https://qz.com/1542499/oil-companies-and-utilities-are-buying-up-all- >> the-electric-car-charging-startups/ >> Oil companies and utilities are buying up all the electric car >> charging startups February 5, 2019 Michael J. Coren >> >> For decades, oil and gas companies and utilities dismissed electric >> cars. >> Now, the old petroleum and power giants are muscling into the >> driver’s seat of the “new fuels” industry. >> >> It’s projected to be a big business. McKinsey counts more than 350 >> new electric vehicle (EV) models debuting by 2025, one of the >> conditions for mass-market adoption. Global demand for gasoline is >> set to peak around 2021 thanks to electric vehicles (EVs) and fuel >> efficiency gains. The energy research and consultancy Wood Mackenzie >> predicts charging infrastructure investment in the US will exceed >> $18 billion annually by 2030 for equipment, installation, >> operations, and services. China is expected to have three times more >> energy demand from EVs by then. >> >> Now, fossil fuel incumbents want in. They’re investing heavily or >> outright acquiring electrical infrastructure needed to supply the >> millions of electric vehicles (EVs) expected in the next few years. >> Although just 2.2% of the world’s vehicles are electric, a record 2 >> million or so EVs were sold last year amid exponential growth. >> >> While the numbers aren’t huge yet—for example, Shell’s $1 billion in >> renewable energy and EV investments amounts amounts to just 4% of its >> annual capital expenditures—they’re growing fast. Globally, $334 >> billion was invested in global clean energy in 2017, reports BNEF >> (pdf) >> >> Public charging infrastructure is ramping up almost everywhere, and >> each region has its own unique mix of players, says Bloomberg New >> Energy Finance (BNEF). In Europe, 79% of the public charging >> infrastructure is operated by utilities and oil companies. In the >> US, 62% of the market is managed by pure-play EV operators. In >> China, equipment manufacturers control the majority. >> >> So far, European firms are making the biggest moves. The most recent >> move was Royal Dutch Shell’s purchase of Greenlots, a startup >> offering software and services for EV charging networks. The >> British-Dutch oil giant says it will use Greenlot’s technology, >> which combines software to optimize battery charging and grid >> balancing services in one charging platform, to build the >> “foundation” of its EV business in North America. The company is >> pouring about $1 billion a year into such deals, according to BNEF, >> including the acquisition of 30,000 charging stations in Western Europe, >> as well as a $31 million investment into EV charging startup Ample in >> 2018. >> >> Last year, France’s Total closed a deal for G2mobility, which offers >> EV charging solutions, as well as a $1.7 billion deal for Direct >> Energie, making it a major electricity retailer in France as well. >> Ultimately, Reuters reports, Total wants to grow its “low-carbon >> energy assets” from 5% of the total today to 20% by 2035. Most of >> Europe’s biggest oil firms now have a hand in renewable energy, >> power trading, energy storage, retail electricity sales, grid >> management, or EV charging. >> >> “In Europe, the line between utilities and oil and gas companies is >> getting a bit blurry,” said Colin McKerracher of BNEF at its summit >> in San Francisco on Feb. 4. “The oil and gas companies in Europe >> see where this stuff is going and want to ensure they are not >> missing out on it. … It’s not just a downside hedge.” >> >> The US is a different story. Companies like Chevron and ExxonMobil >> are just starting to edge into utilities’ traditional territory. >> Last year, Chevron participated in a $240 million round for >> ChargePoint, a network of independently owned charging spots, valued >> at $1.5 billion, according to Pitchbook. The utility American >> Electric Power and German automaker Daimler invested alongside the >> oil giant. >> >> Most active are US utilities, with many partnering directly with car >> companies. Pacific Gas and Electric, Southern California Edison, San >> Diego Gas & Electric, and New Jersey’s PSE&G have partnered with >> carmakers to offer thousands of dollars in rebates for BMW, Nissan, and >> other brands. >> California’s Pacific Gas & Electric, New York’s Consolidated Edison, >> the southeast’s Duke Energy Company, and others covering almost >> every state are lobbying Congress to extend EV tax credits. Pacific >> Gas and Electric is busy investing in thousands of fast-charging >> stations around the state. >> [© qz.com] >> >> >> >> >> https://finance.yahoo.com/news/oil-giants-competing-buy-battery-12142 >> 7788.html Oil giants are competing to buy battery companies >> February 15, 2019 Shell has also acquired Greenlots and New Motion, >> electric-car charging companies in the US and Europe, respectively. >> Sonnen also says that it has developed its own technology for >> electric-car charging, which will now become part of Shell’s growing >> portfolio in this area ... It uses lithium-iron-phosphate batteries, >> which are known to be cheaper and longer lasting than the >> nickel-cobalt-manganese b... >> ... >> >> >> https://www.renewableenergyworld.com/articles/2019/02/shell-buys-sonn >> en-batterie.html >> Shell buys sonnen batterie >> February 15, 2019 With the help of Shell, sonnen will accelerate >> its ability to offer innovative integrated energy services and >> electric vehicle ... >> >> >> >> >> https://www.cspdailynews.com/fuels/petro-canada-launching-coast-coast >> -ev-charging-network >> Petro-Canada >> >> <https://www.cspdailynews.com/fuels/petro-canada-launching-coast-coas >> t-ev-charging-networkPetro-Canada> >> Launching Coast-to-Coast EV-Charging Network Feb 15, 2019 CALGARY, >> Alberta -- Petro-Canada is building a coast-to-coast network of >> electric vehicle (EV) fast-charging stations across Canada. The >> company announced ... >> >> >> https://cdn.winsightmedia.com/platform/files/public/2019-02/backgroun >> d/1800x945/petro-canada_1550260987.jpg?EoMeZ5FANDFPfplw86HazTLdoW1trd >> 7A >> >> >> >> >> http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Greenlot >> s-charge-paying-hell-Oil-acquired-another-EVSE-net-tp4692737.html >> Greenlots charge= paying $hell-Oil> acquired another EVSE.net Shell >> Acquires Greenlots to Lead North American EV Charging Push Jan 31 >> 2019 >> >> >> [dated] >> >> >> http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-U-S >> -Exxon-Mobil-EV-charging-network-Game-afoot-tp4674113.html >> EVLN: U.S. Exxon Mobil EV-charging-network Game afoot ... electric >> vehicles (EV) around the world. The energy giant is planning to >> build its own EV-charging network in the US and will start working on >> the project within six months, according to a person familiar with >> the matter who spoke with Bidness Etc. Exxon Mobil decided to enter >> the EV market as... >> Mar 07, 2015 >> >> >> >> >> http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Shell-sh >> ock-oil-company-embraces-EVs-with-Shell-Recharge-charging-tp4688308.h >> tml Shell shock> oil company embraces EVs with 'Shell Recharge' >> charging ... electric charging sphere. Currently, the oil company >> has more than >> 30,000 EV charge points in Europe ... Shell’s traditional looking “pump” >> EVSE> £0.49/kWh... >> Oct 22, 2017 >> >> >> >> >> http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/BP-in-ta >> lks-with-Electric-car-makers-on-partnering-to-offer-EVSE-their-statio >> ns-tp4687590.html BP in talks with Electric car makers on partnering >> to offer EVSE @their stations ... New Delhi, India, June 15, 2017 / >> Adnan Abidi LONDON (Reuters) - BP is in talks with electric vehicle >> makers on partnering to offer battery re-charging docks at its >> global network of fuel service stations as it seeks to benefit from >> the move away from diesel and petrol cars, Chief Executive Bob... >> Aug 07, 2017 >> >> >> >> >> http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/BP-Fuel- >> Cards-sez-EV-charging-a-logical-move-use-their-ice-card-to-charge-a-p >> lugin-tp4686324.html BP Fuel Cards sez EV-charging a 'logical move'> >> (use their ice card to charge a plugin?) Apr 07, 2017 ... move and >> it will happen within the next year or two.” BP, which operates a >> branded network of 1,300 sites, has already launched a similar >> scheme in the Netherlands after multiple fast-charging systems were >> introduced at some of its service stations in 2011, as part of a >> nationwide trial. 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