I should have also noted that Clean Cities, a U.S. Department of Energy 
program, has a complete first responders training program for those responding 
to alt fueled vehicle incidents.

- Mark

Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone

> On Feb 15, 2019, at 7:26 PM, Mark Abramowitz <ma...@enviropolicy.com> wrote:
> There are apps specifically for first responders dealing with alt fueled 
> vehicles.  I had one on my phone for awhile, not because I’m a first 
> responder, but because I dealt a lot with alt fueled vehicles and was 
> interested in whether there were adequate information sources.
> - Mark
> Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone
>> On Feb 15, 2019, at 4:28 AM, Ron Porter via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
>> I'm only a volunteer firefighter, but we get the same books and training as 
>> the career firefighters in cities. I have not taken all possible classes and 
>> I have not taken a class that is specific to vehicle fires. I have taken 
>> recent vehicle extrication classes, though, and the only mention of 
>> EV/Hybrids was to be very careful because there were no specific techniques 
>> to avoid contact with the high energies, compounded by the fact that it is 
>> not always obvious that you are even dealing with that kind of vehicle. I 
>> know that many are concerned about the lack of information, let alone 
>> training.
>> Please lobby the appropriate authorities and manufacturers to get the 
>> information out there and to develop standards and training. Dealing with a 
>> fire is one thing, but things get difficult and dangerous if the best we can 
>> do is make uneducated guesses.
>> -- 
>> Ron
>>> On February 14, 2019 12:20:30 p.m. CST, paul dove via EV 
>>> <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
>>> There have been battery fires in wrecked Tesla’s this is a real danger.
>>> Don’t plow you car into anything!  More disturbing is the article not
>>> calling out the firemen for incorrect techniques to douse a battery
>>> fire. Never use devices designed to smother the fire. The only way to
>>> put out a lithium battery fire is to remove the heat with water. It is
>>> not called thermal run away for no reason. 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> On Feb 14, 2019, at 8:44 AM, robert winfield via EV
>>> <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
>>>> If you click the link and read the article, it perpetutes the
>>> --->myth<--- of "many Tesla battery fires, and is followed by multiple
>>> ads for gasoline fueled motorcycles
>>>> spreading fear and uncertainty and doubt. I expect better from the
>>> -->EVDL
>>>> On Wednesday, February 13, 2019, 11:59:04 PM EST, brucedp5 via EV
>>> <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: 
>>> https://gaadiwaadi.com/shocking-electric-two-wheeler-burns-like-a-bomb-captured-in-video/
>>>> Electric Two-Wheeler Bursts Into Flames Suddenly, Captured In
>>> Shocking Video
>>>> Feb 1, 2019  Vibin P Vijay
>>>> [image  
>>> https://gaadiwaadi.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/electric-bike-cathes-fire.jpg

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