In addition,
There are no problems recycling them. there is nothing toxic in a Lithium Ion
battery. Alcohol, aluminum, plastic, copper and some traces metals and a small
amount of lithium salt. I have taken them apart and anyone that tries to say
these are a recycling problem are just making it up.
On Wednesday, November 20, 2019, 9:41:37 AM CST, Peri Hartman via EV
<[email protected]> wrote:
I doubt many people are recycling laptop and phone batteries. But car
batteries ? I assume nearly 100% are getting repurposed, at least after
a modest amount of time. And, in the future, probably recycled. There
just aren't that many going to the junk yards yet to have any reliable
data.
Peri
------ Original Message ------
From: "Lee Hart via EV" <[email protected]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]>
Cc: "Lee Hart" <[email protected]>
Sent: 20-Nov-19 7:19:30 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] koch-koolaid= bs: ... revolution may take a lot
longer than expected
>EVDL Administrator via EV wrote:
>>On 20 Nov 2019 at 3:39, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
>>
>>> I did a little searching and the *current* average for a complete
>>>pack is about $200 per kWh.
>>
>>For another data point, it's 8000 Euros (about US$8800) to buy the factory
>>52kWh battery for a 2020 Renault Zoe (AFAIK still Europe's largest-selling
>>EV). That's $169/kWh. The 2019 Zoe battery was 42kWh and cost 9000 Euros
>>($235/kWh).
>>
>>I'm sure that at some point, lithium batteries will probably reach the stage
>>that lead batteries have, where they're effectively commodities whose price
>>depends mostly on that of the raw materials going into them. I don't see a
>>way to predict when that might happen.
>>
>>Also, as I and others have pointed out in this thread, there are other EV
>>costs besides the battery that haven't yet been significantly reduced.
>
>Another point: Lead-acid is so cheap because virtually all the materials get
>recycled.
>
>At present, the large majority of lithium batteries are *not* recycled. That's
>bound to drive up the cost of materials.
>
>And you know how it goes; we won't recycle until we *have* to. It took laws in
>the US and Europe to force companies to recycle. They'd much rather get their
>materials from some 3rd world country with slave labor wages and no
>environmental laws. :-(
>
>Lee
>-- ICEs have the same problem as lightbulbs. Why innovate and make
>better ones when the current ones burn out often enough to keep
>you in business? -- Hunter Cressall
>--
>Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com
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