First, I didn't say that blame environmental disaster directly on
population growth. I said, at some point, if population continues grow,
everything we do to help the environment won't be enough.
Second, while it's true that some countries have negative population
growth, that is far outshadowed by projected growth in southeast asia,
africa, and to some extent, india.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/17/worlds-population-is-projected-to-nearly-stop-growing-by-the-end-of-the-century/
At the moment, the US is the worlds highest user of resources, per
capita. In order to save the environment, I believe we need to reduce
what we use. But that isn't enough. The aforementioned countries will
continue to increase their resource usage as they buy cars (hopefully
EVs), become ever greater consumers, and upgrade their homes.
Sure, we can physically cram more people on the earth. But to what
expense. How do you propose we satisfy the ever growing demand for
resources from all these people ? So far, we have done tremendous
damage, losing species, producing CO2, pollution, and generally
destroying our natural areas. Certainly we should continue our
mitigation efforts, especially switching to EVs. But the world track
record is pretty dismal. Fewer people would remove a huge burden.
Peri
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From: "paul dove" <dov...@bellsouth.net>
To: "Peri Hartman" <pe...@kotatko.com>; "Electric Vehicle Discussion
List" <ev@lists.evdl.org>
Sent: 06-May-20 4:00:58 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] POTH, Renewables and Nuclear
The belief that the world is actually overpopulated is a myth. Human
overpopulation is not even a real issue. In fact, the global growth
rate is approaching below replacement levels and many countries are
already there, immigration is the only reason the USA is not. These
beliefs presuppose artificial limits to our environment, and to human
ingenuity.
We are the true stewards of the environment. Placing the blame of
environmental disaster on population growth is not only based on
questionable scientific grounding, but it is also unimaginative as far
as real solutions go. A op-out against seeking remedies to the extreme
and selective consumerism on the part of some, which creates so much
waste and the extremely unequal distribution of goods in our modern
global economy.
Sent from my iPhone
On May 5, 2020, at 9:23 PM, Peri Hartman via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>
wrote:
I haven't watched either "Planet of the Humans" nor read "Why
renewables can't save the planet."
Are they worth it ? In other words, do they present thought provoking
ideas or are they just a rehash of what many people know ?
My opinion: nothing can save the planet unless we stop increasing
population and, preferably, shrink it. Even with the best energy
sources, even if we were to harvest it from space or fusion, too many
people will stress everything else - space, agriculture, mineral
extraction, loss of species, and so on. In fact, we could make a huge
impact on global warming if the current and next generations had only
one or two kids.
Peri
------ Original Message ------
From: "Mark Laity-Snyder via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.evdl.org>
Cc: "Mark Laity-Snyder" <marklai...@yahoo.com>
Sent: 05-May-20 7:07:15 PM
Subject: [EVDL] POTH, Renewables and Nuclear
Ok so I been doing thinking about Planet of the Humans. I haven't
seen it yet but have read a lot of reviews on it. What do you folks
think?
I also read this
https://www.caradvice.com.au/845775/electric-car-batteries-environmental-cost/
that someone posted. Sorry I couldn't find who and I watched this
Why renewables can’t save the planet | Michael Shellenberger |
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What do you guys think about the full life cycle of renewables (solar
and wind) versus nuclear? Obviously EVs are still important for
transportation but what about Nuclear for the grid?
I bought solar so I am sold on it for myself. I can't build a
nuclear plant anyway. So don't think I am pro Nuclear.
Mark.
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