towed a travel trailer with a GMC Sierra Hybrid this weekend. This is one of the GM 2-Mode Hybrid vehicles.
My MPG and driving range fell to about 50% with the trailer attached to the big hybrid -- which is about what people who've towed with the Model X have reported. Thinking through the feel of my setup this weekend, I feel like most of the range drop was due to the aerodynamic drag of the trailer (which had a large cross-sectional area). I definitely felt the aerodynamic drag of the trailer more than the weight when traveling at highway speeds. The low-speed controllability of the eCVT makes for a really nice tow vehicle. Hitching up and maneuvering the trailer was easier with this truck than with any other tow-vehicle I've ever used. At low speed/power settings, the eCVT part of the 2-mode system dominates the driving feel, but it feels more like a conventional automatic at higher speed/power. An electric tow vehicle could easily beat the big hybrid in terms of low-speed controllability, but would likely be smoother and quieter at highway speeds. The 50% reduction in range seems to be about par for the course. -Luke On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 3:27 AM George Mullineaux via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > But I never doubted the ability of an EV with 2,000+ pounds of torque > towing. It is the manufacturers that will not rate their vehicles with a > comparable towing weight. Let me go out on a limb and claim that the reason > for this is that towing will greatly impact range. As has been mentioned > many times in posts, that is the holy grail of EVs. If Tesla, Audi, Ford, > Rivian, etc. would give us the range while unloaded, and a range while > fully loaded and another while towing a respectable weight; they could then > rate their vehicles for towing and hauling so that the owner would not void > the warranty. Or maybe that is another underlying reason, the warranty. > > George Mullineaux > 3rd Shift Wrench Monkey > Pinnacle Corrugated, Landis, N.C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: EV <ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org> On Behalf Of evln via EV > Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 23:27 > To: ev@lists.evdl.org > Cc: evln <e...@gmx.us> > Subject: [External] [EVDL] EVLN: Tesla-Y feels like it’s not towing > anything > > > > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.com%2Fv3%2F__https%3A%2F%2Fthedriven.io%2F2020%2F08%2F10%2Ffeels-like-its-not-towing-anything-video-of-model-y-shows-powerful-towing-capability%2F__%3B!!CvttNVKvMsQ7MGjF!s_v-NSm4DveFnqwToIemStXIe4LQThqS8gYqFZUhqn2VLq-Z8hdV11YcWI-_WCV62zJmLrQ64To6LZQ%24&data=02%7C01%7Cgeorgemullineaux%40pinnaclecorrugated.com%7Ca528f420d24748c921f108d8425d5f40%7C976178cc71b24588b870337d092cdfe3%7C0%7C0%7C637332316083464575&sdata=%2FMJg4Nd0bTMjEFi%2BQJI%2BHs32Fc85vFVIi570NIndWNc%3D&reserved=0 > “Feels like it’s not towing anything”: Video of Model Y shows powerful > towing capability August 10, 2020 ... The claim that electric vehicles > cannot tow trailers, caravans and boats has been proven wrong ... a Tesla > Model Y has been captured on camera bringing a speed boat out of the water, > with the owner reportedly saying it was so effortless that it felt “like > it’s not towing anything“ ... > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.com%2Fv3%2F__https%3A%2F%2Fthedriven.io%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2020%2F08%2Fmodel-y-towing-boat.jpg__%3B!!CvttNVKvMsQ7MGjF!s_v-NSm4DveFnqwToIemStXIe4LQThqS8gYqFZUhqn2VLq-Z8hdV11YcWI-_WCV62zJmLrQ64L127Uw%24&data=02%7C01%7Cgeorgemullineaux%40pinnaclecorrugated.com%7Ca528f420d24748c921f108d8425d5f40%7C976178cc71b24588b870337d092cdfe3%7C0%7C0%7C637332316083464575&sdata=KWZ9hjJLCeFFbN32w6Io82e5ucm5kiMVtlei5k3pbBM%3D&reserved=0 > > > + (Tesla not worried about Lucid EV's range) > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.com%2Fv3%2F__https%3A%2F%2Fwww.teslarati.com%2Ftesla-lucid-advantages-517-mile-range%2F__%3B!!CvttNVKvMsQ7MGjF!s_v-NSm4DveFnqwToIemStXIe4LQThqS8gYqFZUhqn2VLq-Z8hdV11YcWI-_WCV62zJmLrQ6Z3DAylg%24&data=02%7C01%7Cgeorgemullineaux%40pinnaclecorrugated.com%7Ca528f420d24748c921f108d8425d5f40%7C976178cc71b24588b870337d092cdfe3%7C0%7C0%7C637332316083464575&sdata=FNcCm1oO8UdVoXaAFCoT1MoTBLwaoRj8lFaA4Dk7A3c%3D&reserved=0 > Why Tesla shouldn't worry about Lucid's 517-mile range > The Long Range Plus variant has done wonders for EV competition and has > solidified Tesla's position as the leader in electric car development. 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