On 22 Dec 2020 at 16:51, Peter VanDerWal via EV wrote: > The European driving range test is performed at lower speeds than the > EPA test and almost always results in longer range.
So compare them on an equal footing using the EU WLTP numbers. Leaf gets 270km WLTP, presumably with the 40kWh battery, and Zoe 400km (actually 395km, sorry) WLTP with a 52kWh battery. Leaf 148wh/km, Zoe 132wh/km. That's a 12% difference. But the weights aren't as far apart as I thought. Zoe 1502kg, Leaf 1580kg, only a 5% difference. Could it be aero differences? The Leaf is a bigger car, so maybe it has more frontal area. > You mentioned "real world" but I suspect that real world driving conditions in > Europe also have a lower average speed. Lots of narrow roads and crowded > cities. Generally true. Europe's not like California. Europe tends to be more pedestrian friendly. People are more likely to go grocery shopping on foot with a cart than to use the EV, except when the market offers free charging. :-) But also it's not as spread out. France is the biggest EU nation, and from Paris, you can drive about anywhere in the country in 8h or less, not counting charging stops. They have motorways with speed limits up to 130km/h where you won't get that 350km range unless you hang out with the trucks. However, I'd say the most common EV trip would be (wild guess) more like 20- 40km, on 2-lane roads at 80-90km/h. Lower speeds save energy, but a lot of those roads are winding and some are hilly. Regen is good. :-) David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = The only way to achieve a practical, livable peace in a world of competing nations is to take the profit out of war. -- Richard Nixon, "Real Peace"(1983) = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
