Jukka, nice to see posts from you, after a long time !
I don't understand why the credit card fees are a problem. Why can't
they be built into the cost to the customer, like everywhere else that
uses credit cards ?
Here, in the US, I believe merchants get charged roughly 2% for credit
card processing. (It varies a bit by risk, volume, and other factors.)
That isn't so much to add onto the end-user cost.
Peri
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From: "Jukka Järvinen via EV" <[email protected]>
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Small payments is an issue we struggle with Parking Energy so I can tell
what my charging infrastructure company planned to do with it.
” Now can we get them to support the use of a simple credit card to pay for
charging, without this RFID and charging-club nonsense?”
As at least in Europe all credit and debit card payments include commission
and handling fees and as these charging stations have no other sale it has
forced everyone to RFIDs and clubs. The transaction and authorization
volume is not there.
This allow payments through a credit line (~$20 with Parking Energy). So
your card will be charged only after that amount of charging events is
full. We charge around 20c/kWh. So ~100kWh chunks.
QR code activation with mobile payments would be really nice. But there are
several systems already and handling everything from Diners Club to Elons
Space Coins is tricky.
A coin slot then? 🤪😅 No. No thanks.
If it would be feasible I would order all our statios free of charge first
thing in the morning. But that would not be called business anymore.
Expensive hobby would be more better description.
BUT! We might get to exactly that. There’s going to be horde of battery
containers with DC quick charging (in China). I already sparked this idea
16 years ago when I paralleled LFP strings with 350Ah cells and used
isolated charger to fill the string 1 while chopping the current down to
lower voltage string 2. Charging station battery can be galvanically
connected to the vehicle battery as long as the system is isolated from the
grid (in Europe). I bet ERCOT would love to have 20.000 1MWh charging
stations with a PPA. That would allow all free charging. 😎
-Jukka
ma 29.3.2021 klo 23.37 EVDL Administrator via EV <[email protected]>
kirjoitti:
On 29 Mar 2021 at 22:46, Jukka Järvinen via EV wrote:
> I heard Tesla SC is going to be open in Europe to all cars. I'm not sure
if
> it already has happened.
Jukka , thanks for the post. I hope it has happened, or will soon.
It would make a lot of sense. EU seems to have somewhat less regulatory
capture than we have in the US, and it's significantly more pro-consumer.
Remember that it was EU that pushed for mobile phone interoperability (GMS
system).
I am not an expert on this but it appears to me that major western
European
nations (perhaps bar Italy) are promoting EVs to some extent or another
and
have plans to (almost?) phase out ICEVs some time between 2030 and 2040.
They've been building charging points rapidly, but requiring Tesla to fall
into line for universal CCS interoperability would clarify the EU's
commitment, and help expand the charging network.
Now can we get them to support the use of a simple credit card to pay for
charging, without this RFID and charging-club nonsense? I've bought
gasoline with a credit card at fully unattended / automated filling
stations
in Europe so I don't see what the problem is for charging points. Maybe
someone can illuminate this.
With simple credit payment, no apps, no RFID, EV driving across the EU
will
become a lot easier. That and maintaining the charging points so that
they
actually work when you get there!
And while we're dreaming, more >100kW points, and more renewable energy
powering them ...
The wild card is recent political gains made by nationalist political
parties across the EU. It could change but now I think there's at least
50%
chance that French presidency will fall next year. I worry that that
could
lead to weakening or even backtracking on EV adoption. But it looks as if
despite bojo and company the UK is holding firm thus far, so perhaps that
won't be a major issue after all.
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