I believe it’s more than you think. I don’t have a business but I asked merchants before and they said just the card reader was expensive. It seems complicated and based on sales according to this article
https://paymentdepot.com/blog/average-credit-card-processing-fees/ Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, March 29, 2021, 7:29 PM, Peri Hartman via EV <[email protected]> wrote: Jukka, nice to see posts from you, after a long time ! I don't understand why the credit card fees are a problem. Why can't they be built into the cost to the customer, like everywhere else that uses credit cards ? Here, in the US, I believe merchants get charged roughly 2% for credit card processing. (It varies a bit by risk, volume, and other factors.) That isn't so much to add onto the end-user cost. Peri << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> ------ Original Message ------ From: "Jukka Järvinen via EV" <[email protected]> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]> Cc: "Jukka Järvinen" <[email protected]>; "EVDL Administrator" <[email protected]> Sent: 29-Mar-21 2:56:54 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] BYD Blade >Small payments is an issue we struggle with Parking Energy so I can tell >what my charging infrastructure company planned to do with it. > >” Now can we get them to support the use of a simple credit card to pay for >charging, without this RFID and charging-club nonsense?” > >As at least in Europe all credit and debit card payments include commission >and handling fees and as these charging stations have no other sale it has >forced everyone to RFIDs and clubs. The transaction and authorization >volume is not there. > >This allow payments through a credit line (~$20 with Parking Energy). So >your card will be charged only after that amount of charging events is >full. We charge around 20c/kWh. So ~100kWh chunks. > >QR code activation with mobile payments would be really nice. But there are >several systems already and handling everything from Diners Club to Elons >Space Coins is tricky. > >A coin slot then? 🤪😅 No. No thanks. > >If it would be feasible I would order all our statios free of charge first >thing in the morning. But that would not be called business anymore. >Expensive hobby would be more better description. > >BUT! We might get to exactly that. There’s going to be horde of battery >containers with DC quick charging (in China). I already sparked this idea >16 years ago when I paralleled LFP strings with 350Ah cells and used >isolated charger to fill the string 1 while chopping the current down to >lower voltage string 2. Charging station battery can be galvanically >connected to the vehicle battery as long as the system is isolated from the >grid (in Europe). I bet ERCOT would love to have 20.000 1MWh charging >stations with a PPA. That would allow all free charging. 😎 > >-Jukka > > >ma 29.3.2021 klo 23.37 EVDL Administrator via EV <[email protected]> >kirjoitti: > >> On 29 Mar 2021 at 22:46, Jukka Järvinen via EV wrote: >> >> > I heard Tesla SC is going to be open in Europe to all cars. I'm not sure >> if >> > it already has happened. >> >> Jukka , thanks for the post. I hope it has happened, or will soon. >> >> It would make a lot of sense. EU seems to have somewhat less regulatory >> capture than we have in the US, and it's significantly more pro-consumer. >> Remember that it was EU that pushed for mobile phone interoperability (GMS >> system). >> >> I am not an expert on this but it appears to me that major western >> European >> nations (perhaps bar Italy) are promoting EVs to some extent or another >> and >> have plans to (almost?) phase out ICEVs some time between 2030 and 2040. >> >> They've been building charging points rapidly, but requiring Tesla to fall >> into line for universal CCS interoperability would clarify the EU's >> commitment, and help expand the charging network. >> >> Now can we get them to support the use of a simple credit card to pay for >> charging, without this RFID and charging-club nonsense? I've bought >> gasoline with a credit card at fully unattended / automated filling >> stations >> in Europe so I don't see what the problem is for charging points. Maybe >> someone can illuminate this. >> >> With simple credit payment, no apps, no RFID, EV driving across the EU >> will >> become a lot easier. That and maintaining the charging points so that >> they >> actually work when you get there! >> >> And while we're dreaming, more >100kW points, and more renewable energy >> powering them ... >> >> The wild card is recent political gains made by nationalist political >> parties across the EU. It could change but now I think there's at least >> 50% >> chance that French presidency will fall next year. I worry that that >> could >> lead to weakening or even backtracking on EV adoption. But it looks as if >> despite bojo and company the UK is holding firm thus far, so perhaps that >> won't be a major issue after all. >> >> David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey >> >> To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. 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