No, not to generate traffic tickets. There are safety standards, based on traffic volume, accidents, etc, that determine where they go.
- Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Feb 1, 2022, at 3:48 PM, Bill Dube via EV <[email protected]> wrote: > > Tesla should treat a stop sign according to the law. However, the > computer is acting logically according to the actual situation. I would > suspect that there logically should be a yield sign instead of the stop sign. > > In most civilized parts of the world, stop signs are _extremely_ scarce. In > the US, they are the default at most intersections. I can only recall seeing > half a dozen stop signs in all of Auckland. No doubt there are more, but they > are used sparely because they are needed extremely rarely. > > I suspect this is to generate revenue in the form of traffic tickets in the > US. Only in the US do the ticket revenues go directly to the police > departments. In most civilized countries, they go to the national coffers, > which removes (most) of the obvious conflict of interest. > > Obviously, someone has to yield the right of way to someone else at an > intersection. In sensible countries, they use "yield" signs. Only in the few > intersections that have visibility difficulties, or some unusual hazard do > they place the very rare stop sign. They often don't have any signs at all, > where you apply whoever standard yield law/procedure. It all works > wonderfully with few traffic accidents. Traffic flows much more smoothly and > efficiently with yield signs instead of stop signs. > > When folks in the US do a rolling stop (often called a Hollywood stop,) > they are doing the logical thing. They have slowed sufficiency to ensure that > they can proceed without violating the right-of-way. > > <soap box mode off> > > > > Bill D. > >> On 2/2/2022 11:39 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: >> Ok, my opinion. I think one should look at the intent of the law requiring >> a full stop at a stop sign. From what I learned, that is to allow getting a >> full view of the intersection before proceeding. If you don't come to a full >> stop, you might not notice a pedestrian starting to cross. Or, if the cross >> traffic doesn't stop, you might miss an oncoming vehicle. >> >> So, for human drivers, a full stop makes sense. >> >> In the future, good sensors and self-driving software should be able to >> determine if a full stop is necessary. The software can look in all >> directions at once and doesn't need nearly as much time as a human to make a >> decision. If the view of cross traffic is blocked, it will need to be ready >> to stop, but may not need to completely stop once at the intersection. I can >> imagine that full stops and, perhaps, even stop signs themselves will >> eventually become relics. >> >> In the mean time, I think Tesla's should obey the law. Once Musk can prove >> his vehicles don't have to fully stop, maybe he can lobby to get laws >> changed. >> >> Peri >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Address messages to [email protected] > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ > LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > _______________________________________________ Address messages to [email protected] No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
