Some years ago when self-driving was just emerging, the engineers implemented the exact vehicle code and made the car come to a full stop, before the white line and await its turn. What the practice provided on the streets was that the vehicle was too polite, they had a large number of incidents where another vehicle jumped the queue and went before their turn, because it seemed that the self-driving vehicle was not ready to go at its turn, so they had to make the vehicle more aggressive and start rolling in preparation of its turn to indicate that it was ready to go, simulating the behavior of human drivers and their expectations of other vehicles, then the amount of queue jumpers went down to "normal" rude behavior that we encounter from time to time. I think the rolling (at low speed) through stop signs when no other traffic is around is exactly that - mimicking behavior of other drivers where safe and beneficial, with the added benefit of never losing focus on safety. Check the crash statistics to see the difference between machine driven vehicles and human driven vehicles, I think it is already well above a 1:10 ratio in incidents that machine is better than distracted human drivers. The whole point of traffic law is to avoid loss, it is always a balance between traffic throughput (loss of time) and loss of life and property, so traffic laws are not even aiming for maximum safety, just reasonable safety without excessive delays. Rolling through stops when no traffic is present sounds exactly what *should* be encoded in law. Note that exactly that is already the case for bicyclists in some states, for exactly the reason of having acceptable safety without excessive demands on riders to make a full stop and accelerate again and again, wearing them out and delaying their journey without safety benefit. Cor.
On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 3:14 PM John Lussmyer via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > > On Thu Feb 03 08:08:13 PST 2022 dov...@bellsouth.net said: > >Results: Stop sign violations accounted for about 70% of all crashes. > >Typically these crashes were angular collisions. Among crashes not involving > >stop violations, rear-end crashes were most common, accounting for about 12% > >of all crashes. Stop sign violation crashes were classified into several > >subtypes - driver stopped, driver did not stop, snow/wet/ice, and > >other/unknown. In about two-thirds of stop sign violation crashes, drivers > >said they had first come to a stop. In these cases, inability or failure to > >see approaching traffic often was cited as the cause of the crash. Drivers > >younger than 18 as well as drivers 65 and older were disproportionately > >found to be at fault in crashes at stop signs. > > > >https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/14733981/ > > So, you admit that those accidents are generally due to people not paying > attention. Which is not something that an AI would do. > So, it's likely that letting an AI do a rolling stop would save wear on the > vehicle, save energy, and not increase the number of accidents. > > > > -- > > Try my Sensible Email package! > https://sourceforge.net/projects/sensibleemail/ > _______________________________________________ > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ > LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org _______________________________________________ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
