Where can I learn more about this?
On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 10:29:46 AM PST, (-Phil-) via EV
<ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
I support over 3000 "unsupported" Teslas with an alternative server system
where I redirect the car to connect to a non-Tesla server I control. This
allows me to restore the original configuration and prevents Tesla from
further altering the cars without permission, as well as providing an app
that owners can use to have full control of the car and access to all
diagnostic data. I've been offering this since Tesla started illegally
altering cars to disable supercharging as well as ALL fast charging in
2015. This means even if you purchased a CHAdeMO adapter, it would not
function on a 3rd party charger. They 100% refused to re-enable
supercharging on any "unsupported" car, which includes grey-market and
salvage. (Grey market includes cars exported to other countries.) They
achieve this by illegally altering the configuration of the car remotely
without the new owner's permission. (The car controls the fast charging
function)
When the Model 3 and Y were introduced, those models enjoyed supercharging
for several years even if unsupported, mainly because the automated system
used to alter configuration on S and X was totally different from 3/Y.
This was rectified in 2020, and they started disabling all unsupported 3/Y
in 2020, even cars that had been "unsupported" and charging fine for 3
years!
https://electrek.co/2020/02/12/tesla-disables-supercharging-salvaged-vehicles/
You can see this in their official policy document:
https://www.scribd.com/document/425591536/TN-18-00-001-Unsupported-Vehicle-Policy
Recently they have announced they will be "opening up" their supercharger
network to ALL vehicles, and have started trials in Europe. They will have
to install new stations in the US to enable CCS charging for other
vehicles. These will contain a CCS whip. They have also offered their
proprietary standard to other manufacturers:
https://www.tesla.com/blog/opening-north-american-charging-standard
Why? They want in on the various government funds around the world
designed to facilitate wider installation of fast charging. However, they
cannot qualify if they are building charging stations that are not open to
all vehicles. This obviously means they cannot continue to block even
their own vehicles, so they are now "walking back" the unsupported vehicle
charging ban:
https://electrek.co/2022/11/09/tesla-salvage-vehicles-back-supercharger-network/
On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 5:18 AM paul dove <dov...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> It’s been a long time since I read the story but what I remember was the
> owner refused to get it inspected by Tesla. I believe the issue was finally
> resolved
>
>
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> On Sunday, December 11, 2022, 9:38 PM, (-Phil-) via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>
> wrote:
>
> Varies from state to state, and I doubt any state that requires it has
> inspectors qualified to make EV HV safety calls.
>
> All Tesla cars built since late 2014 have enough self-diagnostic capability
> to shut down if something goes wrong during supercharging. (These changes
> were made after a non-salvage Tesla caught fire at a supercharger)
>
> Tesla's famous quality control is poor enough that without this
> self-diagnostic capability we would have seen a lot more serious problems,
> so a botched salvage repair is not going to really increase the danger.
>
> On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 7:07 PM Robert Johnston via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Don't salvaged and repaired cars need a safety inspection before they can
> > be put back on the road and registered/insured?
> >
> > On Sun, 11 Dec 2022 at 20:48, Lawrence Winiarski via EV <
> ev@lists.evdl.org
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hmmmmm....would gas stations refuse to give gas to salvaged cars
> because
> > > the gas station might "burn down"?
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 04:15:20 PM PST, paul dove via EV <
> > > ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > That is not bricking a car! It will charge just not on. Supercharger.
> > > This is to protect superchargers from burning down not to prevent
> > repairs.
> > > Like it or not they own the superchargers.
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > > On Sunday, December 11, 2022, 2:32 PM, Peri Hartman via EV <
> > > ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Paul, I may have overstated my claim. But here's a partially relevant
> > > reference:
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://electrek.co/2020/02/12/tesla-disables-supercharging-salvaged-vehicles/
> > > where Tesla has disabled supercharging on salvaged Teslas. I don't know
> > > if they are still doing that.
> > >
> > > Regardless, my main point is Tesla (and others) *could* brick cars or
> > > certain functionality. But I don't think they will because of enormous
> > > public backlash.
> > >
> > > Peri
> > >
> > > << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >>
> > >
> > > ------ Original Message ------
> > > From: "paul dove" <dov...@bellsouth.net>
> > > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.evdl.org>
> > > Cc: "Peri Hartman" <pe...@kotatko.com>
> > > Sent: 11-Dec-22 11:14:10
> > > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Goodbye old friend.
> > >
> > > >How in the world would you know Tesla bricks batteries? Gives some
> > > >names and sources of you facts!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail for iPhone
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> > > >
> > > >On Sunday, December 11, 2022, 10:53 AM, Peri Hartman via EV
> > > ><ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>There's lots of malaise Tesla - and all the manufacturers, for that
> > > >>matter - could impose. For example, certain sensors could "stop
> > > >>working"
> > > >>after some particular time. Or, the right rear door lock could stop
> > > >>functioning properly. In the worst case, they could brick the car. It
> > > >>may be difficult to determine whether such problems are caused by a
> > > >>software disabling action or if something actually failed. However, I
> > > >>am
> > > >>not too concerned. If a manufacturer actually imposed such behaviors,
> > > >>and were caught, they would be heavily punished. And, that would be
> > > >>regardless of what the fine print in the purchase agreement said.
> > > >>
> > > >>I am aware that Tesla has bricked cars, or at least batteries put
> into
> > > >>non Tesla cars. It does get into a grey area: what modifications are
> > > >>you
> > > >>allowed to do and what not ? Different discussion.
> > > >>
> > > >>I understand, from the manufacturer's point of view, that they want
> > > >>and
> > > >>need to control the software in the car. For the most part, I think
> > > >>that's an advantage to all of us. The problem is, we have to trust
> > > >>them
> > > >>to not do anything to break functionality in the future. Time will
> > > >>tell,
> > > >>I guess.
> > > >>
> > > >>Peri
> > > >>
> > > >><< Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >>
> > > >>
> > > >>------ Original Message ------
> > > >>From: "John Lussmyer via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org>
> > > >>To: "Mr. Sharkey via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org>
> > > >>Cc: "John Lussmyer" <cou...@casadelgato.com>
> > > >>Sent: 11-Dec-22 08:29:19
> > > >>Subject: Re: [EVDL] Goodbye old friend.
> > > >>
> > > >> >On 12/11/2022 8:18 AM, Mr. Sharkey via EV wrote:
> > > >> >>Oh sure, I get that. Problem is, they came on at first promising
> > > >>affordable transportation. Then the Musk-cult mentality took over,
> and
> > > >>now they produce high-end vehicles for people with disposable income
> > > >>who don't mind laying it out for something most of the rest of us
> > > >>can't -or won't- afford.
> > > >> >So you are saying that they should first produce a cheaper very low
> > > >>profit margin vehicle - so that they won't have enough cash to grow
> > > >>production at a high rate and be able to product a LOT more vehicles?
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