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Today's Topics:
1. EV driver's ed: accelerating for max. range vs. best time
(Darin at- forkenswift.com)
2. Re: Maiden voyage of the Electric Lemon
(Darin at- forkenswift.com)
3. WSJ Online on TeslaMotors (Marc Geller)
4. Re: Maiden voyage of the Electric Lemon (keith vansickle)
5. Re: Fw: Next shipment ready? (Christopher Robison)
6. Re: Maiden voyage of the Electric Lemon (Bob Rice)
7. Re: Maiden voyage of the Electric Lemon (Dan Frederiksen)
8. Service & Parts Maual needed for 1976 El Car 2000 (Roderick Wilde)
9. Re: EV driver's ed: accelerating for max. range vs. best time
(Roland Wiench)
10. Re: AVCON INLET NEEDED (Todd Martin)
11. Just a General LIST Question (Steven Lough)
12. Re: Service & Parts Maual needed for 1976 El Car 2000 (Lee Hart)
13. Re: 2.S.S.I.C. RaceLegal Results (Michael T Kadie)
14. Honda Advertising Defunct EV (David Dymaxion)
15. Re: AVCON INLET NEEDED (Ralph Merwin)
16. Re: EV driver's ed: accelerating for max. range vs. best time
(R. Matt Milliron)
17. Re: Honda Advertising Defunct EV ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
18. Re: Honda Advertising Defunct EV ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
19. Re: Crazy hybrid thought (Lee Hart)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 07:42:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Darin at- forkenswift.com" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] EV driver's ed: accelerating for max. range vs. best
time
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
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I'm not too proud to admit I don't know what I don't know. With that in
mind, I'd appreciate any pointers about general EV-specific driving
techniques. Starting with the basics of acceleration, please let me know if
I've got this wrong:
Acceleration (for absolute max. efficiency/range):
- keep battery amps as low as possible (ie. proverbial egg under the foot)
- use all the gears (ie. 1st to 2nd to 3rd)
- permit the motor to rev up high in each gear before upshifting (ie.
3000-5000 RPM)
Acceleration (for quickest rate thereof):
- maximize amp draw, but ensure voltage stays above 1.75v per cell
- upshift when amps start dropping in each gear (ie. upshift *sooner* than
in efficiency mode)
- possibly start out in 2nd, vs. shifting 1st to 2nd?
Once at speed, I assume the best choice is to go for most efficiency - ie.
choose a gear that permits the motor to spin in the neighbourhood of
3000-5000 RPM.
Keep in mind this is a 48vdc car (e.g. 5000 RPM is more or less unattainable
except going downhill). I'm not sure if techniques differ depending on
power availability (ie. staying in one gear in a high-powered EV with a
free-revving motor).
thanks for any feedback -
Darin
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 07:51:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Darin at- forkenswift.com" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Maiden voyage of the Electric Lemon
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
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That second video was great - nothing like the drama of watching an *actual*
first "drive", no seats, no brakes, both hands busy holding wires! The
running commentary (particularly when approaching the house at the end) was
funny.
Congratulations!
Darin
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 07:41:51 -0700
From: Marc Geller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] WSJ Online on TeslaMotors
To: RAV4 list - rav4ev - condensed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, EV
Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
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WSJ Online on TeslaMotors
"Joseph B White, Wall Street Journal's Detroit bureau chief, takes
Tesla seriously and respectfully....."
http://www.plugsandcars.blogspot.com
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 08:02:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: keith vansickle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Maiden voyage of the Electric Lemon
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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congrats Peter,
very nice web site. looks like lots of work went into
it as well as your car
now that you have it running sign up for the
electricdragin event in san diego. we have many kinds
of events you can participate in. bring the rc plane
and family as this will be a big event with many
interesting exhibits, camping, good food and fun for
all.
keith
--- Jeff Major <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Congratulations Peter,
>
> You're a brave guy with those Flintstone brakes.
>
> The lemon should be a screamer with a few more
> batteries.
>
> Jeff M
>
>
> --- Peter Gabrielsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > Today was a big day for the electric lemon. I
> tested
> > the motor and
> > transmission in the car for the first time. I used
> a
> > single EV-95 NiMH
> > module to power the motor. Power was controlled
> > using the arcy-sparky
> > method of touching two pieces of metal together.
> The
> > wheels spun quite
> > happily in first gear as can be seen in this
> video.
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtLL2mUkeg0
> >
> > I tried all other gears as well and things seemed
> > fine. The gearbox
> > is still far louder than I'd like but this is
> under
> > no load. Hopefully
> > it will be quieter once I get certain things like
> > the hood,
> > upholstering etc into the car.
> >
> > Having come this far I couldn't resist the
> > temptation of taking the
> > lemon for a totally uncontrolled test drive. I
> > hooked up some longer
> > cables so that I could control the power from the
> > driver's seat. On a
> > single, mostly discharged, battery module I was
> > expecting it to just
> > lethargically inch forward at a leisurely pace.
> The
> > result was quite
> > surprising.
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9-ZiCxpP1o
> >
> > The car lurched forward nearly knocking me into
> the
> > back seat. The
> > acceleration was brief but sudden and the top
> speed
> > wasn't exactly
> > spectacular but it was far more than I had
> > anticipated.
> >
> > I spent the next half hour driving the car back
> and
> > forth with a mad
> > grin on my face. I wonder what my neighbors might
> > think...
> >
> > The good news is that second and third gears are
> far
> > quieter than
> > first. The motor was even able to get the car
> moving
> > in fourth gear
> > without too much effort, I never tried fifth. More
> > importantly I now
> > know that the transmission actually stays in gear
> > under load;
> > something I was a bit worried about.
> >
> >
> > --
> > www.electric-lemon.com
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 10:03:11 -0500
From: Christopher Robison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Fw: Next shipment ready?
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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On Mon, 2007-10-15 at 09:25 -0400, Bob Rice wrote:
> Hi EVerybody;
>
> I'm forwarding this to you guyz, as I used Freight Quote and was VERY happy
> with thrir service; 147 bux for a 170 lb box , a motor, Generous Electric,
> from CT to CA. The guy walked me through the procedure to set up an account,
> print up the Bill of Lading, paid on line, like buying a Jet Blue ticket!
> All I had to do was drop it off at their terminal(saved a pickup charge) and
> EVen followed up with a "EVerything go OK" call!!
>
> I'm a happy shipper(camper) and just wanted to pass on this tidbit of
> info. Ya never know?
I used FreightQuote a while back to ship a 3000lb pallet of BB600
nicads. The experience wasn't as smooth as it could have been (the
carrier didn't have my order and payment in their database, and had to
call the FreightQuote guys and their own headquarters to confirm).
Meanwhle I had a pickup truck sitting at the terminal sagging under the
weight and I really didn't want to have to take it back home. But in the
end it worked out and I got a good deal.
Next time I have to ship by truck, I'll probably use them again.
--
Christopher Robison
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 11:33:54 -0400
From: "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Maiden voyage of the Electric Lemon
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Hi Daren!
Good show! It is heartwarming top see this stuff go worldwide , via U
Tube!Did that with my Rabbit about 8 years ago, hooked a contacter up to the
key switch, to "go" you turned on the ignition switch, Power cables from the
batteries, loose in the back floor, came through the passenger side window!
Guyz still remember, remark, jokingly anout that! The motor, clutch, and
tranny were hooked up And I wanted to try it out, on the public streets!
Memories!
Good luck!
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Darin at- forkenswift.com" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Maiden voyage of the Electric Lemon
>
> That second video was great - nothing like the drama of watching an
> *actual*
> first "drive", no seats, no brakes, both hands busy holding wires! The
> running commentary (particularly when approaching the house at the end)
> was
> funny.
>
> Congratulations!
>
> Darin
> --
> View this message in context:
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 16:47:33 +0200
From: Dan Frederiksen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Maiden voyage of the Electric Lemon
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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not so much a maiden voyage as an impatient premature run :) I can relate
should be a nice fresh vehicle once done
looking forward to it
Dan
Peter Gabrielsson wrote:
>Today was a big day for the electric lemon. I tested the motor and
>transmission in the car for the first time. I used a single EV-95 NiMH
>module to power the motor. Power was controlled using the arcy-sparky
>method of touching two pieces of metal together. The wheels spun quite
>happily in first gear as can be seen in this video.
>
>
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 08:59:48 -0700
From: "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Service & Parts Maual needed for 1976 El Car 2000
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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If anyone out there has these I would pay for a photo copy. Thanks!
Roderick Wilde
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 10:33:31 -0600
From: "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV driver's ed: accelerating for max. range vs.
best time
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Hello Darin,
Here is a formula that you can find what the mph is at the rpm of a motor at
different overall ratios (transmission ratios times axle ratio) using
different Wheel circumference (WC).
To find the WC, put at mark on the wheel and floor and rotate the wheel one
turn and then measure between the marks. This is normally call the rolling
distance.
RPM x WC
MPH = -----------
RATIO x 1056
or converted to
MPH x RATIO x 1056
RPM = ------------------
WC
By experimentation and testing it takes about 600 wt/hr of energy to move
100 lbs of weight at about 3000 rpm with a overall ratio of 1:1. As the
weight increases, the wt/hr increases as the ratio increases the wt/hr
decreases.
According to NetGain, A 9 inch motor has the best efficiency and torque at
about 3000 rpm. A 11 inch motor is best at 1800 rpm at the same torque
which is call the sweet spot of a motor.
To find out the best rpm in each gear, drive the EV in that one gear and
record rpm, mph, battery ampere, battery voltage and if you can the motor
ampere and motor voltage. Repeat this test in each gear.
There will be certain rpm that the ampere will stable or even drop.
I am now running a temporary Warp 9 while my 11 is maintenance and being
modified. My 9 has to run at a higher rpm then the 11 for the same torque
which the sweet spot is at about 3000 rpm. The motor ampere lowers about 50
amps at 3000 rpm as compare to the 11 at 1800 rpm while I am in a first gear
overall ration of 19.496:1 which is twice the ratios over the standard.
Roland
----- Original Message -----
From: "Darin at- forkenswift.com" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 8:42 AM
Subject: [EVDL] EV driver's ed: accelerating for max. range vs. best time
>
> I'm not too proud to admit I don't know what I don't know. With that in
> mind, I'd appreciate any pointers about general EV-specific driving
> techniques. Starting with the basics of acceleration, please let me know
> if
> I've got this wrong:
>
> Acceleration (for absolute max. efficiency/range):
>
> - keep battery amps as low as possible (ie. proverbial egg under the foot)
> - use all the gears (ie. 1st to 2nd to 3rd)
> - permit the motor to rev up high in each gear before upshifting (ie.
> 3000-5000 RPM)
>
> Acceleration (for quickest rate thereof):
>
> - maximize amp draw, but ensure voltage stays above 1.75v per cell
> - upshift when amps start dropping in each gear (ie. upshift *sooner* than
> in efficiency mode)
> - possibly start out in 2nd, vs. shifting 1st to 2nd?
>
> Once at speed, I assume the best choice is to go for most efficiency - ie.
> choose a gear that permits the motor to spin in the neighbourhood of
> 3000-5000 RPM.
>
> Keep in mind this is a 48vdc car (e.g. 5000 RPM is more or less
> unattainable
> except going downhill). I'm not sure if techniques differ depending on
> power availability (ie. staying in one gear in a high-powered EV with a
> free-revving motor).
>
> thanks for any feedback -
> Darin
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://www.nabble.com/EV-driver%27s-ed%3A-accelerating-for-max.-range-vs.-best-time-tf4627983s25542.html#a13214218
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 10:12:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Todd Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] AVCON INLET NEEDED
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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I recommend the only remaining AVCON maker:
www.avconev.com
They sell both the charging stations as well as the inlets.
Todd Martin
VP, FVEAA
Mark Dutko wrote:
>
> I recently saw a site selling the male and female AVCON parts but I
> can't find it now. The EAA lists the metal box but that's not where I
> saw it- Thanks.
>
> mark
>
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 10:14:34 -0700
From: Steven Lough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Just a General LIST Question
To: David Roden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Electric Vehicle Discussion List
RCVR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent this inquiry off to David Roden a few days ago... But he's a busy
guy. Thought some one else may know the answer.
Its not a problem, but just wondering since the list went to this new
system... Some times posts are in a very light gray print, as I read
them here... and most of the time they are normal bright black print.
And some times Part of a message is in very light gray, and the rest
in normal bold black.
My question is what differences make this come through this way.?? And
should I care.. Seems all of my Posts, come through normal dark black
print...
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Day: 206 850-8535
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 12:22:39 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
From: Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Service & Parts Maual needed for 1976 El Car 2000
To: Roderick Wilde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Electric Vehicle Discussion
List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: Roderick Wilde
> Subject: [EVDL] Service & Parts Maual needed for 1976 El Car 2000
> If anyone out there has these I would pay for a photo copy. Thanks!
I don't have a service or parts manual, but do have some sales literature and
pictures and related documentation -- would that help?
--
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--
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 10:18:44 -0700
From: "Michael T Kadie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] 2.S.S.I.C. RaceLegal Results
To: "'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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I'm running a 4 link rear end in drag racing position. Doesn't help the
ride much, but it keeps the tires from hopping under acceleration. And my
baby launches off the line. The reason I'm still only at 65% power is that
is where I had run out of brakes (which I fixed), and need to run the
wheelie bars (which is time consuming to put on and take off). I'm planning
on going to 100% (stepping up from 65% for safety) at the elctric draggin
event in January. I will be running heaters to the batteries to get them up
to their 70 degree c power sweet spot.
I will get out my time slips and start putting more of them on
dragtimes.com.
Thanks,
KD owner/builder/ driver 2SSIC
http://ssi-racing.com
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Mike Willmon
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 1:24 AM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] 2.S.S.I.C. RaceLegal Results
If not a four-link at the very minimum at least some Cal-Tracs traction
bars.
I also agree about putting up on www.dragtimes.com The EV community also
pushed the Rod Wilde's Maniac Mazda as well as Matt Graham's Joule Injected
to the featured car list as well, In rapid succession IIRC. That was a fun
EVolution to log in EVery night and see whene the votes were coming in. We
would all e-mail friends to spread the word, and if it didn't generate
votes, at least it generated interest. You're car would make it to
"Featured" status in no time.
Mike W.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Roy LeMeur
> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 8:15 PM
> To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] 2.S.S.I.C. RaceLegal Results
>
>
>
> Hey KD
>
> I agree that putting your car up at dragtimes.com is a great idea.
>
> Before you came aboard [IIRC] on the EVDL, the EVDL folks had pushed
> the White Zombie and the Killacycle to the top of the heap at dragtimes.
>
> It is a great way to maximize exposure in the ICE drag racing community.
>
> Do it! And let the EVDL know and keep hammering the folks to vote for
> it. It is a cutting edge vehicle and your ETs should continue to drop
> if you stick with it. (only 65% power?, you need a four-link dude!
> :^)
>
> Good luck!
>
> Roy
> ~~~~~~
>
>
> Roy LeMeur
>
> ____________________________________________________________
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 10:36:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Dymaxion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Honda Advertising Defunct EV
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Interesting, on my site http://www.explodingdinosaurs.com and on
http://www.evalbum.com I saw this ad pop up three places:
Honda EV PlusMeet the Honda EV Plus battery electric vehicle. See what we see.
www.honda.com
You have to use the search function on honda.com to find anything, and the
first item that comes up says the vehicle is no longer produced, but would you
be interested in one of the gasoline cars.
Maybe they are just out of date on their Google Ads account? Maybe trying to
leverage past glory for current sales? The good news is a "battery electric
vehicle" ad popped up instead of a hybrid ad, but too bad it is for a vehicle
that hasn't been available for years.
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 10:44:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ralph Merwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] AVCON INLET NEEDED
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Cor,
There are some European AVCON handles and inlets listed on this page:
http://www.partsonsale.com/evparts.html
Ralph
Cor van de Water writes:
>
> I would be interested in the European variant of the
> Avcon connector, especially if either a second damaged
> connector is included, or a spare power pin (rectangular)
> as I have a car with a modified receptacle for the
> European Avcon; the mod is to have 3 square pins in a
> row, for transport of 3-phase power....
> http://www.geocities.com/cor_van_de_water/USE/AVCON_modified_for_3_phase.jpg
>
> Regards,
>
> Cor van de Water
> Systems Architect
> Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Compton
> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 1:56 AM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] AVCON INLET NEEDED
>
> >I recently saw a site selling the male and female AVCON parts but I
> >can't find it now. The EAA lists the metal box but that's not where I
> >saw it- Thanks.
>
> There is someone selling Avcon connectors, but they're ex US Electricar stock
> and are the European version.
>
> Paul Compton
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:01:44 -0500
From: "R. Matt Milliron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV driver's ed: accelerating for max. range vs.
best time
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On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 07:42:48 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:
>
>I'm not too proud to admit I don't know what I don't know. With that in
>mind, I'd appreciate any pointers about general EV-specific driving
>techniques. Starting with the basics of acceleration, please let me know if
>I've got this wrong:
>
I have already sent this to Darin.
I have a zip file of some paperwork that came with my Electrica.
"Economical Electric Vehicle Operations" I would be happy to send it
to anyone who needs/wants it.
R. M. Milliron
1981 Jet Electrica (Ford Escort)
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/702
This machine had been garaged for 17 years. I have
upgraded and made it operable. Tabitha, my daughter,
named it, "Pikachu". It's yellow and black, electric
and contains Japanese parts, so I went with it.
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:08:12 -0500
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Honda Advertising Defunct EV
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http://www.honda.com/ev-plus/
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Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 12:37 PM
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Subject: [EVDL] Honda Advertising Defunct EV
Interesting, on my site http://www.explodingdinosaurs.com and on
http://www.evalbum.com I saw this ad pop up three places:
Honda EV PlusMeet the Honda EV Plus battery electric vehicle. See what we
see.
www.honda.com
You have to use the search function on honda.com to find anything, and the
first item that comes up says the vehicle is no longer produced, but would
you be interested in one of the gasoline cars.
Maybe they are just out of date on their Google Ads account? Maybe trying to
leverage past glory for current sales? The good news is a "battery electric
vehicle" ad popped up instead of a hybrid ad, but too bad it is for a
vehicle that hasn't been available for years.
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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:08:56 -0500
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Honda Advertising Defunct EV
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http://world.honda.com/history/challenge/1988evplus/index.html
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Of David Dymaxion
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 12:37 PM
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Subject: [EVDL] Honda Advertising Defunct EV
Interesting, on my site http://www.explodingdinosaurs.com and on
http://www.evalbum.com I saw this ad pop up three places:
Honda EV PlusMeet the Honda EV Plus battery electric vehicle. See what we
see.
www.honda.com
You have to use the search function on honda.com to find anything, and the
first item that comes up says the vehicle is no longer produced, but would
you be interested in one of the gasoline cars.
Maybe they are just out of date on their Google Ads account? Maybe trying to
leverage past glory for current sales? The good news is a "battery electric
vehicle" ad popped up instead of a hybrid ad, but too bad it is for a
vehicle that hasn't been available for years.
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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:44:42 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
From: Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Crazy hybrid thought
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> 1st idea: very light ICE car... add 2" towing receiver... 2" square pipe
> in it... two 3000 watt hub motors... bolted to the 2" pipe on both sides.
Sounds like something my BEST kids would try. :-) Quick and crude; but could be
done quickly to test the concept.
There's no suspension for those extra wheels. I'd guess that you would break
something the first time you hit a bump.
If I wanted to try something like this, I think I'd add two trailer hitches
with 2" balls. Put your wheel and motor on a simple A-frame, centered behind
these hitches. Now it is free to move up and down with the suspension.
You could have a cable that lifts this extra wheel off the ground as a crude
way to provide a 'clutch'.
> 2nd idea: Car has front wheel drive... 10hp motor... on the left back
> side of vehicle cut a round hole for the shaft of the motor to stick out.
> Mount motor in the trunk so the shaft sticks out the hole... attach
> sprocket to motor... attach sprocket to wheel... Now attach a chain to
> this and leave it a little lose to compensate for bounce of the vehicle.
Again, the idea is sound, but the implementation pretty crude.
Instead, why not cut a hole in the top of the rear wheel well, inside the trunk
where it doesn't show? Put a small diameter friction wheel on the motor shaft,
roughly 1/5th the diameter of the back wheel. Mount the motor so its weight
holds it against the tire, but it is free to move up and down with the
suspension travel. You have a big version of the friction drive used on so many
electric bicycles.
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"Excellence does not require perfection." -- Henry James
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